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Title: Shocking
Post by: jdkmunch on August 12, 2010, 10:20:42 PM
I have an I-game next to an s+.   
If touch the chrome on the igame and
S+ at the same time I get crazy shock

If the igame is off no shock

Any idea why??


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: MrBellMan on August 12, 2010, 10:29:58 PM
Sounds like one of the games is not grounded properly. Maybe one of the power plugs is missing the ground???

This happens with pinball machines too and I have the exact same issue. It's not a big zap, but you feel it none the less.


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: daddy2yea on August 12, 2010, 10:42:45 PM
I would guess that something is not grounded properly on the IGame, Or could be a short. Try with the door of the Igame open and see if you still get shock.
But first make sure that the door grounding strap is attached(see pic) at least that what I think it is.
Mike


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: jdkmunch on August 12, 2010, 10:45:10 PM
Now they are both on the same outlet but different power strips.
And it seems to be problem across the two strips.


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: tollguy316 on August 12, 2010, 10:57:38 PM
Same thing happens to me every time I go to Tacman's house....    Dan get's a kick out of it though :72- :72- :72-   ....     He has an I-game and a few feet away; an S2000. If I touch both metal parts of each game; I feel it in the hand that is touching the S2000... even though it isn't on.   It's a short or groung problem coming from the I-game.    Either get it fixed or sit back and laugh away at other unsuspecting victims as Dan does.    Bill


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: jay on August 12, 2010, 11:00:07 PM
Use a multi meter on resistance.

Caution !!!! Use only the ground wires ----- using your meter on any of the other leads will fry your meter when it is set to resistance.

1. Test both power strips with it unplugged. Stick one lead in the ground hole and hold the other against the round (GND) prong of the cord. You should see the needle pop over or close to 0' resistance if on a digital meter. It is possible that the ground wire in one of the strips is broken.

2. Assuming both test out good. Plug both in. Put the lead in the ground of one and see if it bridges over to the ground on the other strip. This will test if the power strip is making a good contact with the socket and if the socket is working correctly.

3. If all is good to this point it is possible that the wall socket is not grounded properlly. I am not sure where the next socket is but using a long extension cord from another outlet bring it over Plug your meter into the grnd of the extension cord and the other to the gnd of the suspect wall outlet. Again you should see 0 resistance. Ground is Ground is Ground unless of course the Ground wire is broken or misssing in one of the outlets.

Hope this helps. Jay


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: tacman on August 12, 2010, 11:00:09 PM
And he does it EVERY time he comes over!! Its better than HBO or Showtime!  :208- :208- :208-

 Dan (tacman)


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: jdkmunch on August 12, 2010, 11:05:39 PM
I just confirmed that it is machines across strips.
Machines on strip "A" are fine.
A touch strip "B" and zap!

Even though they are all on the same outlet.


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: jdkmunch on August 12, 2010, 11:06:48 PM
And during the span of this post I lost $200 on a 98% payback igame


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: jdkmunch on August 12, 2010, 11:14:57 PM
Dot pigs just took another 50


Man I'm glad I'm not at a casino.


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: jdkmunch on August 12, 2010, 11:40:36 PM
Another $50



$300 total what $hit


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: StatFreak on August 13, 2010, 12:38:15 AM
And during the span of this post I lost $200 on a 98% payback igame
Dot pigs just took another 50


Man I'm glad I'm not at a casino.
Another $50

$300 total what $hit

Shocking!  :50- :47-   :96-
If you keep losing like that, you'll be grounded. :200- :30-  :97- :97- :97- :97-

Stat :31-


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: Buzz on August 13, 2010, 01:18:03 AM
Munch  Plug both manchines into the same power strip and see if you get a shocking experience.   :3- :3- :3- :3-


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: KirkLasVegas on August 13, 2010, 01:25:25 AM
Munch  Plug both manchines into the same power strip and see if you get a shocking experience.   :3- :3- :3- :3-
Open ground on the machine with a "problem". I have seen this before. It comes from the practice of using capacitors from the line to the chassis to cancel "noise". They cause a "leak" from the high side to the frame. It wont hurt you, but it is annoying.Replace the power cord, the green lead is defective.....

Kirk


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: StatFreak on August 13, 2010, 01:30:05 AM
Munch  Plug both manchines into the same power strip and see if you get a shocking experience.   :3- :3- :3- :3-
Open ground on the machine with a "problem". I have seen this before. It comes from the practice of using capacitors from the line to the chassis to cancel "noise". They cause a "leak" from the high side to the frame. It wont hurt you, but it is annoying.Replace the power cord, the green lead is defective.....

Kirk

Kirk, are you saying that he should both replace the power cord and look for (and possibly clip) the capacitors that were added? :128-


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: KirkLasVegas on August 13, 2010, 01:32:55 AM
Munch  Plug both manchines into the same power strip and see if you get a shocking experience.   :3- :3- :3- :3-
Open ground on the machine with a "problem". I have seen this before. It comes from the practice of using capacitors from the line to the chassis to cancel "noise". They cause a "leak" from the high side to the frame. It wont hurt you, but it is annoying.Replace the power cord, the green lead is defective.....

Kirk

Kirk, are you saying that he should both replace the power cord and look for (and possibly clip) the capacitors that were added? :128-

Naw..leave the caps..as long as its grounded its all good


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: knagl on August 13, 2010, 02:17:49 AM
This happens with pinball machines too and I have the exact same issue. It's not a big zap, but you feel it none the less.

Yep, I used to have that problem when I grabbed the lockdown bar of both my pins (one old EM and one newer SS) -- I'd get a nice tingling feeling.  I don't miss that.  I'm sure the EM was to blame -- it didn't even use a 3-pronged plug.


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: jdkmunch on August 13, 2010, 07:29:35 PM
I think this could be causing the ground problem.





Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: jay on August 13, 2010, 07:44:25 PM
Turn it upside down and plug it in - the problem will get worse as it will be out of phase with the other one.



Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: jdkmunch on August 13, 2010, 07:47:55 PM
nooooooooooooo thank you.    It's strong enough to knock me on my ass now! :98-


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: a69mopar on August 13, 2010, 07:48:24 PM
Nah, it's the spirits of lost money.  If you feed them some more they'll become even more shocking..  Seriously though. I have seen many people ignore a missing ground pin or even remove it instead of getting the correct cord.  This can be dangerous.  People are used to using a double insulated(classII) device which doesn't come with the ground pin and think the same for devices that require the ground.


Thanks,
Wayne


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: jdkmunch on August 14, 2010, 04:47:08 PM
I replaced the power strip and it solved the problem 100% - no more tingling.     

AND  - I don't know if it's a coincidence but the touch screen is much more responsive.  In the past I would have to touch 2 or 3 times hard to get it to respond.  Now it works like a charm. 


Thanks!


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: KirkLasVegas on August 14, 2010, 05:55:12 PM
I replaced the power strip and it solved the problem 100% - no more tingling.     

AND  - I don't know if it's a coincidence but the touch screen is much more responsive.  In the past I would have to touch 2 or 3 times hard to get it to respond.  Now it works like a charm. 


Thanks!

Bad ground in the strip...and yes it CAN affect the touchscreen,the screen doesnt care for AC ripple on it's inputs....
You did good :)


Title: Re: Shocking
Post by: knagl on August 15, 2010, 07:17:45 AM
Agreed.  When I had some grounding issues with my Game King, I found that if I was touching the metal frame of the door and the screen it responded perfectly every time, but if I wasn't touching the frame, the screen was intermittent.  It's a non-issue now, but I'm just backing up what you've discovered and what Kirk said.