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I am not sure if this is the right forun for this however I own an original (single deck) shuffle master card shuffler. It is currently set to three card poker and I would like to change it to Pai Gow or some other game. Does anyone happen to know how to do this or does anyone have a manual for this type of shuffler they are willing to share?

Many thanks,

Brian

Hi Brian,

I was all set to type up my standard welcome to NLG greeting :88- -- but I see that you've been on the site for a very long time. Looks like April 2006!  :3- :3-


Wow, I also see you've been looking for this since May. I don't know if we have anyone on here with that info, but maybe someone will post back this time. :71-

Personally, I think it would be cool to have one of those!  :183-

I gave you a K+ for trying a second time to find help. Sorry no one answered your first post.

StatFreak :31-
:nlg-  Global Moderator

no problem, I was not sure if I posted the request in the correct forum... I have been on here a while (my old post count got wiped out a while ago)  it is a really cool shuffler just wish I could have control of the settings.

Wow, how'd you get a hold of one of those?  Very cool.

I think I can picture in my mind which model you have, and this isn't the manual for it, but I did find a manual for a ShuffleMaster single-deck shuffler which may be useful, provided that the menus and whatnot work the same: http://www1.eurocoin.co.uk/files/i-DealServiceManual20090602.pdf

If nothing else, does your machine have a menu button on it?  It would seem like it should be pretty easy to switch between pre-programmed games.

We lost the entire site (three full years of posts) in September 2008. Everyone had to start from scratch. I see that you signed onto the new forum within a couple of days of the crash.

I recall the crash; it happens... Thanks for the manual link; I will attempt to download it when I get home.

I just came across this in a document posted by a member -- I don't know if it's relevent to your shuffler, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to post it:


Settings: 1 flash = Let it ride    2 flashes = Pai Gow poker    3 flashes = Caribean stud.
To change to different games, flip switch under game, hit button til approiate flashes shows up.

I am looking for a shuffle master to add to my game room.

The type I would like is the two magazine type that shuffles 6 decks and then allows you to extract it for your shoe.

One of these things:

(http://i51.tinypic.com/2hpi0xw.jpg)

YESSUM.... That is the beastie that I am after.

I've wanted one of those for a long time. I'm curious how much they'd sell for, if they're even available. :103-

Shuffle-master seems affiliated with this "Rapid Roulette" as well...
That effectively shuts down the idea of trying to place a bet after the marble stops!
"No More Bets!" and the screen locks out the option of placing another $5 chip on "Even" or "Red"...lol

At my local casino they told me that shuffle master doesn't sell the units they only rent the units which includes maintenance.

In direct contradiction to the above I was speaking to some of our larger vendors and they told me that some of the units have been in lots that they have seen from cruise ship auctions.

Bunker,

The largest cost to the casino for table games is labor.
Some of the changes we have seen is that blackjack has gone from 8 spots to 10spots.
The dealers are under pressure to deal xx hands per hour
Table minimums have been increased
Blackjack pays 6/5 vs 3/2 (increasing the house hold).

The shuffle master product line is popular with the casino as it speeds up the rate of play by eliminating the need to shuffle.
It also ensures an honest shuffle as it practically elminates the ability of a dealer to be in colusion with the player. Ie stacking certain cards during the shuffle.

In the case of roulette after a spin the croupier places his marker, pulls in the lost chips which is subject to error and mispays. They they need to pay the players, manage buy ins.
The game only goes as fast as the slowest player.
As you pointed out the croupier calls no more bets which has a degree of varience in it as well.
The rapid bet system handles all the buy ins, pays etc so once again you eliminate colusion by the croupier and you get more spins per hour.
If one player is slow - so what they get in on the next spin and you don't P*ss off the other players.

With respect to analysis this type of system can be mapped just as easily as any other and in someways might be easier as there are more spins per hour so your analysis has a greater sample size.
There is probably less scruitany - ie no one cares if you sat in front of a slot with a PDA recording the results of each spin. I suspect if you sit in front of a electronic roulette screen you would get away with this too.
For this system to have any merrit you still need to calcuate the speed in which the ball is spun in contrast to the speed the wheel is spun.

In the case of the shufflemaster product they are still using a real - wheel and real ball so you are capable of analyzing the variences.
Remember with Roulette each square pays between 30:1 & 35:1 and there are 36 squares + 0 & 00.
So If you can simply narrow down which squares won't win -- and you only need to eliminate 4 to 6 spots you can move the odds to your favor and then bet on all of the potential winners.
ie if you bet $5 on 30squares with one guarenteed winner each time. You will have lost $145 (29x5) but won 180 (5 + 35:1) or netted $35.
At 40 spins per hour.... thats $1400/hr..... which is in my opinion a good living wage.
Even if you were working with slightly flawed analysis and were wrong 50% of the time you would still be netting 600/hr.
Thats a $5 spot bet. Nothing to say you can't bet $50/spot.

By way of this post I am not advocating cheating in any way. I am just pointing out the mathamatics of what the potential is if you "could" eliminate the possibility the ball will land on as few as 6 spots.

I sat for about almost an hour at the MGM in Detroit one time watching
the same numbers come up on a roulette table about 5 times in a row.
The odds of that happening is tremendous!
You should have seen the pandemonium!
The chips on a spot of numbers were so high - they toppled and spilled all over the table! lol

They had a whole bunch of people in black suits come out and
I watched them put a level in the roulette wheel.
After what seemed like an hour, and various big shots discussing this and that -
they finally put it back into play.
Needless to say, the croupier was gone...lol

Just goes to show that casino suits can be as superstitious as the next guy. It's highly unlikely that the poor dealer had anything to do with it.

i know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy....anyways i've been told that a good croupier can hit any number any time.  i'm sure the casino pulled him out just to eliminate the possibility of collusion.

I've read statements by roulette dealers who have said that they could get the ball into a particular area (quadrant) of the wheel, but not a particular number.

It does make one pause to consider, however. If there is any truth in it, then dealers could influence the game one way or another depending on the player's tips, collusion, etc. Simple greed would suggest that many dealers would ply these tactics to their advantage if they could, and I can't see how that would be overlooked or tolerated by the casinos over time. :103-

I know BJ dealers are highly scrutinized.

The MGM series of Casino now use a electronic peek that they press a button and it displays the DEAL light.
In these casinos they peek at both a A or Face up.

At other casinos using the old fashioned peek they only check when its an Ace up.
This is to help prevent the dealer from making signals to a player.
If you can imagine all of the slight hand positions to facial expressions or even eye movements that they would need to track.
Its pretty tough.

I have read that the use of the BJ peek without a A or Face up is a case for instant dismissal.

Here in Alberta the dealer is only dealt one card.  The second card is dealt only after the players have drawn their hand.
No BJ peek. At times this annyoys me especially if the dealer has a low card up. This means that they need to draw two faces in a row to bust.
Just using basic math there are more 10valued cards than any other in the deck so by the players making their draw first this diminishes the potential ability for the dealer to bust.

No hole card blackjack is most common in the U.K. and can be very unfavorable to the player, depending on the rules.

The most important rule to determine is what happens if you double down or split (or both) and the dealer ends up pulling a blackjack. Do they take all of your money (Awful) or do they only take your original bet (Fair), or something in-between (Bad)

If they offer surrender at all, do they still offer surrender when the dealer's first (up) card is an Ace? Or a ten? If so, how does the late second card affect the surrender when the dealer pulls a blackjack? If you can surrender on these cards and the play stands even if the dealer gets a blackjack, it is a form of early surrender and favors the player.

I'd still be curious to know if there are any roulette dealers out there who can and do manipulate the outcome on their games, either for or against the player as the circumstances dictate. :79-

I remember sitting in a training room one morning before the instructor came in.
We'd stand around my co-dealer's roulette table and he'd be throwing the marble
into the same quadrant 8 out of 10 times constantly.

The instructor came in and watched a bit then asked
him to throw it so it missed...he couldn't! lol
The marble STILL landed in the same old quadrant!

What he told me is basically he flips the marble the same speed all the time.
However, he keeps a keen eye on the spinning table...looks for a certain color such as the green double O's
because it's easy to differentiate from the usual red & black slots and throw the marble.

Basically, he's NOT supposed to gaze at the wheel when he flips.

Hmm. The scattering effect of the diamonds is supposed to counteract the effect of spinning the ball and rotor at fairly constant speeds and trying to time the shooting of the ball. Maybe they didn't design roulette as well as they should have? :128- :96-

The scattering effect of the diamonds can shoot the ball out of a "specified quadrant" - but that's about all it can do.
The croupier can NEVER throw the marble into an exact slot however - that's asking way too much.

With a 35:1 payback.

If you can take 8 numbers off the field... I would sit there all day and play $1000/spot for a guarenteed winner.

Agreed (although I'd play it more conservatively than you :5-), which is why I doubt that roulette dealers can really control the ball as well as has been suggested. If they could, they would be bringing in colluding "friends" all day long to dump to, and if they were smart, would then take it back from the other rubes at the the table to avoid being short on their shift count. That kind of cheating has happened in the past at card table games like blackjack. Security figures it out eventually. I don't recall hearing any such stories about roulette.

Even without collusion, an aspiring dealer might cheat players by putting the ball in areas of the wheel where there are little or no bets in order to increase the house advantage and look good to his superiors. Would this crap get by the NGC? What about casino security? Talk about a conflict of interest! Do they expose such a cheat and cost their bosses money?

On the other hand, a seasoned dealer with some job security might do the opposite to encourage generous tipping from the winners. Of course, casino security would have no problem busting those guys.  :14-

I have a Shuffle Master Ace and a King model.  The Ace is for table games and the King is a continuous 5 deck blackjack shuffler.  I use the Ace on my caribbean stud table.  I couldnt spend all that time and effort to find a progressive table and not have the shuffler...  I looked on ebay for two years before they showed up on there.  When Katrina hit, it wiped out the Grand Casino in MS, and everything they had ended up for sale.  I might be willing to part with one if it helped further my newest obsession... slot machines...    :99-

I would guess that the cost for that shufflemaster unit would be really high (thousands of $). Very cool for home use but impractical.....
With regards to the roulette discussion, there is a system that has been floating around on the internet for years that states that every roulette wheel has a "personality" and that once you record a trial (600 results or more) you can bet based upon that factor and have it be favorable to you most of the time. they explain that casinos know of people doing that so they move wheels from table - to - table to eliminate that (kinda like an ECM for roulette). I really don't know what truth there is to that system, their buy in cost is like 3500 dollars (?).

Well, I own a casino equipment rental company also and charge for use of the machines and they've already paid for themselves a few times over.