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Title: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on September 25, 2010, 01:01:08 PM I want to put a Spectrum progressive on my Ms. Little Green Men. I just assumed it would work, but I guess some Vision games do not support progressive displays.
Does Ms. LGM support Spectrum progressive displays? - Dorothy Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: stormrider on September 25, 2010, 02:37:47 PM Dorothy,
In the other thread you posted that was my question if Ms. LGM even supported a spectrum to start with that's why I suggested a Mikohn for the scrolling message affect. If indeed you can't use a spectrum. For the first time user YES the Mikohn is a real hair puller to setup the price varies for a stand alone setup anywhere from $50 on up I have seen them complete for $75 you wouldn't even need the cable from the main Mikohn board to the machine as the Mikohn won't need to talk to the machine. You can program a scrolling message with the Mikohn hooked up to a pc (XP,98 or older)using the psp program of course then install it where (dpalmi) Dan pointed out the way he did his spectrum. In my opinion all this might be more trouble than it's worth why not just get a nice Topper to spice up the machine. On a side note you could even have the display flip from a progressive amount say $75,000 then scroll into "Welcome to Dorothy's Game Room" but the progressive amount would never change of course nor trigger. And yes to program all that for a first timer with that stone age psp software would not be fun. Tim Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: Karaoke Mike on September 25, 2010, 03:45:20 PM Hi, Ms. L.GM. does not support the spectrum progressive. Sorry
Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on September 25, 2010, 03:54:19 PM Tim and Mike
Thanks for your answers. I guess Mike's answer sums it up. Certainly not what I was expecting or hoping for but at least I know now. Tim, let me go peruse the Mikhon threads now and see what is going on there. I do have a 3 reel 3 CM IDOJ, does it support Spectrum progressive? - Dorothy Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: MrBellMan on September 25, 2010, 05:32:22 PM IDOJ does support the Spectrum progressive. Did you forget already? :96-
Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on September 25, 2010, 06:57:21 PM MrBellMan
I used to have a memory, but I think I misplaced it. :25- What a beautiful set up you have there. If I want to put a Spectrum in the Player tracking area (since I know no one has a topper for sale as nice as the one you have) I need the display and wire harness and follow Dpalmi's great directions? - Dorothy Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: OhioGaming on September 25, 2010, 07:47:45 PM there are more than one type of spectrum .. the S+ one will not work in an S2000
Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on September 25, 2010, 07:57:42 PM Ohio -
Thanks for that information. How do I tell the difference? I just dropped a note to the seller of the Spectrum display and asked if it was for a S+ or a S2000. Either way it's no major deal. If it works on IDOJ perfect. If not, somebody down the line will want/need it. I keep expecting things to be "MS plug ' play" and not "roll your own Linux". - Dorothy Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on September 29, 2010, 06:35:01 PM Hi
I found a topper for my IDOJ exactly like the one that MrBellMan has posted above. The attached s a photograph of my IDOJ's top. I think all the hardware is there, but am not sure. Is it just a matter plug and play or do I need additional wiring, providing the topper comes as it does from the factory. On a different tangent. When setting it up with the KEY17 menu I assume that a starting value is set and then an incremental value for each coin played. On a $.25 3CM game with a standard 3CM jackpot of 2000, is this where I should start the progressive? Also what value do you think is appropriate each coin played? Anybody have a copy of the Key Chip menu - I have a listing, but it only covers the "chapters" not the "sub-chapters" (if that makes any sense) - I'm specifically looking for 7.1.4 the progressive part. - Dorothy Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: jay on September 29, 2010, 07:14:55 PM The starting value for a linked progressive is actually quite the debate in some casino circles.
Assuming a standalone progressive: Starting at the top award value is free as that is what the natural hold of the machine will be based on. The increment is generally considered a marketing fee and actually written down against casino earnings so for the most part they can then say marketing is 1/8% of earnings. In the case of a linked progressive (assuming 3 machines connected together) should the progressive be 3x the starting amount ?? since you have 3 machines. The formula however is widely debated as either B, N or N-1. The arguement for B (where b= the natural top award) is that you don't give away what you haven't earned. This makes the most sense to me. The argument for N (where N= B x Number of machines) is that only 1 machine is the winner The argument for N-1 is that you are actually holding the more of the casino money. I think N and N-1 are flawed unless they are using a lower % contribution because of it. Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: StatFreak on September 29, 2010, 08:47:07 PM Jay, I have to agree that N and N-1, as you name them, are flawed. It doesn't matter how many machines are hooked up: the odds of seeing the top prize don't change.
If 1 in 1000 spins trips the progressive, does it matter whether those 1000 spins are all done on one machine or spread out over 10 machines? Of course not! The only difference in a real casino environment would be that you're giving more customers the opportunity to play at the same time, so you get 100 plays per minute instead of 10 plays per minute (if all the machines are in use). The jackpot will hit more often simply because the casino is seeing more action on that meter. If you had 10 stand alone progressives all set the same way, you'd end up with the same result in the long run, because the base amount is part of the chip's design and doesn't factor into the progressive, and because the progressive increment is always in direct proportion to the number of credits played. If the level of play on the machines were the same, they'd be over there paying the same number of progressive jackpots -- only on individual machines, but it wouldn't affect their bottom line. For the player, it means that everyone is playing for the same prize instead of ten different prizes. Have you ever seen a bank of machines with stand alone progressives where one or two have high jackpots (haven't hit in a while) and the rest have lower jackpots (hit recently)? Naturally, everyone want's to play the ones with the higher progressive. If players choose not to play the machines with lower progressive amounts, that costs the casino money (less action). Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: StatFreak on September 29, 2010, 08:53:22 PM ... On a different tangent. When setting it up with the KEY17 menu I assume that a starting value is set and then an incremental value for each coin played. On a $.25 3CM game with a standard 3CM jackpot of 2000, is this where I should start the progressive? Also what value do you think is appropriate each coin played? ... - Dorothy For home use, you can set it any way you like. It depends on whether you're looking for Fantasy or Realism. If you look at some members' slot pictures in the best wins thread, you'll see pictures three-coin quarter slots with progressives of $200,000 or $1,000,000 plus. :5- I'm sure they also have the increment percentage cranked way up so they can enjoy watching the odometer spin by really fast :71- If you want realism, set the base amount to the non-progressive top prize ($500 in your example) and then set a decent increment. (The 0.25% to 1% that casinos use SUCKS for home play.) Try something like 5%-7% or even more if you don't mind the final payback being over 100%. Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: knagl on September 29, 2010, 09:06:22 PM I'm a fan of setting the reset amount to what the normal prize would have been, and then using a nice healthy percent to get the meter to move a few clicks for every coin played.
Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: StatFreak on September 29, 2010, 09:23:54 PM I'm a fan of setting the reset amount to what the normal prize would have been, and then using a nice healthy percent to get the meter to move a few clicks for every coin played. The CHAMII+ has different options for animating the incrementation. I think that the odometer is the best of them, and it is programmed to run faster as the difference between the displayed amount and the actual amount increases. You're idea definitely makes the best use of that effect. :89- For quarters, you might want to go as high as 99% to really get some action! Of course, that will blow the payback out of the water, but it's only play money. :72- The idea is to then play at a fast pace so that the meter gets going at a good clip. Title: Re: IDOJ - Spectrumv Topper Post by: DorothyMacaw on October 02, 2010, 12:57:36 PM I am buying a IDOJ topper with a Spectrum built in. I need a wiring harness to go from the topper to the Netplex board .... I think.
Dorothy - Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: idesign on October 02, 2010, 01:10:21 PM If you mean the connections to the "S" shaped plug you are buying a topper without the base that has the proper connections to the candle and the netplex as well as power. Tell the seller you need the base to go with it. Then all you need is the harness to go from the base to the netplex distribution board and candle connection.
Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on October 02, 2010, 02:02:39 PM Thanks iDesign.
I knew you would have the answer for this. K's - Dorothy Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: idesign on October 02, 2010, 02:08:12 PM The base is missing. The base bolts to the outside of the machine, the topper bolts to the base. The base has pigtails that go into the top box thru the hole in the top of the top box. The harness goes from the pigtails to the distribution board and candle wiring to make it complete
Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: opman on October 03, 2010, 12:35:50 PM Dorothy,
Let me know when you get your topper and I will be glad to assist you in making the harness you need to make it work. Cuchmanman Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: knagl on October 05, 2010, 04:10:33 AM Edit: Nevermind, I see you have made arrangements to purchase the base you need.
Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: CaptainHappy on October 05, 2010, 09:39:31 AM Edit: Nevermind, I see you have made arrangements to purchase the base you need. Why? Do you have an extra? I could be in the market? :103- CH :95- Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: knagl on October 05, 2010, 03:39:57 PM Why? Do you have an extra? I could be in the market? No, I don't have any either, unfortunately. I was going to post a couple of pictures I had on my computer of the base, but then saw that it had already been done and a purchase agreed upon, so it was a moot point. It turned into a "delete this post" type of post, but I couldn't do that. :89- Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: dpalmi on October 05, 2010, 03:49:20 PM I don't know if it has been mentioned yet - but FYI - you will need a Key chip to configure the progressive once you get it all connected....
Dan #2 Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on October 05, 2010, 03:54:34 PM Thanks for the reminder Dan
I have a KEY17 chip, so I assume that is the correct chip to program the progressive. Right not I am waiting on getting the topper and the base in the same location to see what needs to be done as far as the wiring harness. - Dorothy Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on October 27, 2010, 02:47:53 PM Hi
I am almost ready to hook up my IDOJ Spectrum topper. I am wondering how to get to the menu. I did this one time before on my Vision, but that was an entire game change not something as simple as getting to the menu. I'm sure it has nothing to do with having no short term memory. Here is what I think I know about what I don't know. 1 Unplug the machine, remove the board plug in the KEY17 chip in the ??? socket. 2 insert the board and turn the machine on - look for 2 lights. Turn machine off. 3 Exchange Key17 chip with ???? chip 4 Turn the machine on with the door open ?? closed ??? 5 step through the menu until I come to the Netplex portion and make the changes. 6 Turn the machine off and then on and pat meyself on the back after posting pictures. PLEASE correct me on this. - Dorothy Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: stayouttadabunker on October 27, 2010, 04:22:00 PM 1 Unplug the machine, remove the board plug in the KEY17 chip in the ??? socket. SB Base socket
2 insert the board and turn the machine on - look for 2 lights. Turn machine off. Yup! 3 Exchange Key17 chip with ???? chip Yes...change w/base chip 4 Turn the machine on with the door open ?? closed ??? It's better to do this when with an open door. Be ready with one hand on the reset key or the noise will be deafening! 5 step through the menu until I come to the Netplex portion and make the changes. Yes 6 Turn the machine off and then on and pat meyself on the back after posting pictures. Leave it on! Play it! :72- Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on October 27, 2010, 07:14:41 PM Thanks Bunker !!! Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: stayouttadabunker on October 27, 2010, 08:17:43 PM Let us know if you run into any problems...
these machines are finicky because they use old ancient computers...lol Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on October 30, 2010, 05:53:26 PM Hi
Okay. Thanks to iDesign's talent I now have the topper wired correctly and installed. I changed out the SB chip with the KEY17 chip. Got the 2 top lights. Replaced the SB chip and turned on the machine. I turned the reset key and got the menu on the display. The menu only has - 1 - Accounting 2 - History 4 - I/O Test No other options. Could the problem be the Indiana chips? What do I need to do ? As always Thanks - Dorothy Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: a69mopar on October 30, 2010, 06:07:52 PM instead of using the audit key, open the main door and press the button on the mpu. This will get you into the full menu.
W Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on October 30, 2010, 06:15:11 PM Thanks Mopar.
iDesign reminded me that I also needed to have NO CREDITS in the machine. To quote California's leaded --- I'll be back - Dorothy Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: Brianzz on October 30, 2010, 06:15:52 PM Actually after you keychip and get the 2 lights and replace your SB you boot the machine back up and just wait, it'll boot into the keychip menus. You move about the menus with the cash out button and bet 1 credit button.. enter the option with spin reels and exit with the max bet button
Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on October 30, 2010, 06:32:22 PM I used the reset button (I did not clear the credits)
7 Key Chip Configuration 7.3 Progressive 7.3.1 Controller Select 7.3.1.1 Game 1 7.3.1.1.1. $.25 Game 1 - Denom $.25 - Level 1 - None, Disabled 7.3.2 Progressive Display Setup None 7.3.3 Stand Alone Setup - Nothing no response - Dorothy [EDIT] - I found option # 4.3 Auto configure NETPLEX devices. Now the NO DATA message does not scroll across the Spectrum - The Spectrum is completely blank. I looked at the 7.3 menu again and nothing changed. Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: Brianzz on October 30, 2010, 07:22:35 PM See if this gives you some indication of what do to... stand alone
Quote 3.1.4 Progressive/WAP System Setup (Option: [7.1.4]) Controller Select (Option: [7.1.4.1]) Note: This option is available only on non-WAP machines. Use the Controller Select option to associate a progressive controller with a progressive level using the following steps: 1. Press the CHANGE and CASH/CREDIT switches to navigate through the list of progressive levels. Press the SPIN REELS switch to select the level to configure. 2. Use the CHANGE and CASH/CREDIT switches to navigate through the list of available controllers: •None • SAS • Link • Stand-alone Press the PLAY MAX CREDITS switch to select a controller and return to the progressive level list. 3. Press the PLAY MAX CREDITS switch to exit the screen and save the changes, or press the SPIN REELS switch to reset the levels to their previous configuration. Level (x) (Option: [7.1.4.1.x]) Use the Level option to select a progressive controller: •None • SAS • Link • Stand-alone 1. Navigate through the list of settings using the CHANGE and CASH/CREDIT switches. 2. Press the PLAY MAX CREDITS switch to exit the screen and save the changes, or press the SPIN REELS switch to reset the value to the previous setting. Progressive Display Setup (Option: [7.1.4.2]) Note: This option is available only on non-WAP machines. Select the Progressive Display Setup option to enable or disable display of progressive amounts on the LCD. Progressive amounts are not displayed if a bonus game is enabled. Use the following steps to enable display of progressive amounts on the LCD: 1. Navigate through the list of values using the CHANGE and CASH/CREDIT switches. 2. Press the PLAY MAX CREDITS switch to exit the screen and save the changes, or press the SPIN REELS switch to reset the value to the previous setting. Stand Alone Setup (Option: [7.1.4.3]) Note: This option is available only on non-WAP machines. Select the paytable to configure the progressive levels for each standalone progressive game: • Limit Amount – the highest jackpot amount the player can win • Current Amount – the current amount shown on the spectrum or progressive seven-segment display • Add Percentage – percentage of the wager that is contributed toward the progressive jackpot • Base Amount – the amount the progressive jackpot resets to after a win Note: The Current Amount and Base Amount cannot be set to a value higher than the Limit Amount. Use the following steps to configure each level: 1. Navigate through the list of values using the CHANGE and CASH/CREDIT switches. 2. Press the SPIN REELS switch to edit a field. 3. Press the CHANGE switch to move from one digit to another within the field. 4. Press the CASH/CREDIT switch to increment the digit. 5. Press the PLAY MAX CREDITS switch to exit the field. 6. Press the PLAY MAX CREDITS switch to exit the screen and save the changes, or press the SPIN REELS switch to reset the value to the previous setting. Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on October 30, 2010, 07:54:27 PM Brianz
I can never get to the STAND ALONE option. There are NO CREDITS on the machine Under 4.3 the "SPECTRUM DISPLAY: INSTALLED" is displayed 7.1.4.1 I press Spin and "WAMM" is displayed and all the lights except for MAX BET go out. No chance to change anything here - just go back up the menu. 7.1.4.2 I press Spin and nothing happens except a 'click' 7.1.4.3 is NEVER displayed - Dorothy Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: DorothyMacaw on October 30, 2010, 08:32:18 PM Hey Y'All
Finally got it up and running. The problem was all between my ears, once I sat down and thought about what I was doing wrong the answer came to me. Don't press the RESET button any more, put in the KEY17 chip ! After that the configuration went smooth and easy. Thanks - FORRHOUSE for selling me the topper from your personal stash. It is beautiful condition and you were great to work with. iDesign for making a harness for my machine and getting it back to me in 24 hours. What a professional job. Brianzz for not calling me a dummy. and everyone on NLG wh sat with me through the evolution and installation of my IDOJ Spectrum priject. - Dorothy Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: Foster on October 30, 2010, 09:23:34 PM Nice, now you know the rule once you hit the jackpot. you have to give it to another NLG member!
Title: Re: Ms. LGM - Spectrum Post by: Brianzz on October 30, 2010, 11:29:55 PM :208-
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