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There's five poker games in my PE+ Test Unit...

1] Bonus Poker
2] Double Double Bonus Poker
3] Deuces Wild
4] Double Bonus poker
5] Jacks Or Better

In your honest opinion,
which one is the most fun to play?

My favorite  is the Double Double Bonus  poker.   I use Bob Dancer's strategy cd/game to practice and then play that at the casino when I am there.  I  also like Let It Ride, though.

Jacks Or Better

Mark    put shock wave in your machine. I have a set of cihps if you want them.

Shockwave is fun.. I just  never won at it  :60-

The first time I ever played Shockwave, I hit the $1000 4-of-a-kind.  Never again since.

Mark, for home use either Deuces Wild or DDB.  In the casino, I play JoB or BP to get the 2-for-1 payback on the 2 Pair hands, which makes my money last longer.

For what it's worth, you have the wrong CAP chip in that board, which is why the menu looks all brown and stuff.  It should look like this:

(http://www.stolistic.com/slots/pexmp006.PNG)
(Image from Stolistic)

The CAP chip determines the color pallet that the game has available.  While your game will function correctly with the wrong CAP chip, some colors may be painted incorrectly on the screen.  CAPX2174 works for that multi-game set -- there may be others, too.

My favorite is Double Double Bonus with 9/6 payback !

My vote would be Double Double Bonus as well. You'll be shooting for 4 Aces with a kicker for 1/2 a royal. My favorite is Triple Double Bonus, where you get the payout of a full royal with the 4 Aces & kicker.

Deuces Wild can be fun, but it plays completely differently from standard non-wild games. If you focus on playing that type of game and still play others, you have to keep the strategies straight.

I use an old version of Wolf VP, but have seen Dancer's VP program. They're very similar and both come recommended. Each has some pros and cons. They are the only two VP choices I know of that are worth their salt.

Stat :31-

P.S. If you want to learn how to count cards, want to improve your game, want to practice under differing conditions, or want to analyze blackjack to the point of nausea, there is only one choice: Norm Wattenberger's QFIT software. The basic practice program is CVBJ and is not too expensive (just under $100). The real power is in CVData and CVCX. They get expensive, but in my case, they've made me more money that they cost, including upgrades. His software has bugs here and there, but he is VERY responsive to fixing them. In one case, he fixed a bug I reported and had the fix uploaded to his website within a couple of hours.
Just for the scoffers, I have no affiliation whatsoever; I'm just a satisfied customer.

Frugal Video Poker, created by James Wolf of Wolf Video Poker, used to be the gold standard of VP trainers.  It's old-school software and graphics (although it does have 3/5/10-play options), but you can't beat today's price for it: FREE.  It's now available as a free download from his site:

http://www.wolfvideopoker.com/FVP.htm (http://www.wolfvideopoker.com/FVP.htm)

Especially because of the price, I highly suggest it as a great way to learn correct strategy on your choice of games and paytables.  It also lets you print strategy charts for any game, any paytable.

That's what I use, but I'd probably pay for the newer version if I actually played much VP in casinos for real money. :5- I paid for my copy back in the day when it was the "gold standard". :72-

The print strategy feature is very useful for casino play. The printouts are 8 1/2"x11", but what I do is use my copier to reduce the printed chart to a suitable card size. I then use my handy dandy $30 Costco laminator to create my own strategy cards to take to the casinos. Unlike blackjack, you can sit there with your strategy card and they won't say a word -- at least in Nevada.

Wow! There's so many kinds of video poker games, aren't there?
Thanks for the tips guys! :3- :3- :3-
I am interested in upgrading my CAP chip.... :89-
I'll look in the morning and see what's presently in there!
Thanks Knagl!  :131-

I want to get the hang of these games before I change out any thing...
Thanks for the "Shockwave" chip offers Buzz!
I will be interested in that later on!  :184-
I really am having a blast with this poker stuff...it's awesomely riveting! :99-
I must of played straight for about 3 hours!  :72-

It's a lot cheaper playing it upstairs in the back room than it is playing it on the casino floor.  :5- :30- :97- :97- :97-

You got that right Stat !

But it's generally a lot cheaper to play VP at the casino than slots at the casino, as VP payback percentages are generally a lot higher than most slots.  :71-

Its risk / reward. The pays are more frequent but the top awards are a lot less.

According to the IGT article that was posted they try and make the newer video slots give about 18min of play for $20.
Personally I like the interactive nature of Video Poker more than slots even with bonus games.

Good point.  Personally, I'm keen on winning $100 for quad aces, and $1000 for the elusive Royal Flush (quarter Bonus Poker).  Sure, it's not millions, but it's still a nice chunk of change.

That's why I stick with blackjack most of the time. I will never buy in for two hundred and leave the table with tens of thousands or millions, but I'll win more than I lose, will have fun doing it (counting relaxes me) and won't have to face a W2G unless I win over $10k in a day, which is something I can control.

I still play the occasional slot, and the slightly more occasional VP. They're fun to play as long as it's not for too much money, and I don't mind dropping $20 into a WOF every once in a while for a chance at a big payout.  But to tell the truth, the biggest kick I get in a casino is going to the cage with more chips than I paid for and cashing out a winner. That always makes my night.

I just checked both boards I have.
It looks like I have CAPX1321 in both of them.
I need to find a CAPX2174 like you're saying.... :8-

T.O.M.  :204- :129- :31-

I think I know someone who can sell you the right chip.

David It's a little bitty chip FXC7291  20 pin

Okay, I changed my post. :96-  Bunker, the first line stands.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/r79f6t.gif)

"Drink More Ovaltine"?

Stat    I can't find anything in Mauser.  Seems like Little Blue tod me a couple of years ago the blanks were hard to come by.  

Can the chip be erased and re-programmed?

Your guess is as good as mine.  NO window.

Is this that damned chip that requires special voltage and that can't be programmed with new equipment?  :37-


Okay, we're back on track. :89-

Bunker, take one part email and two parts of this thread (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=1391.0), mix well, and call me in the morning. :127-  :208- :208-


<P.S.>  I just stickied that topic.

Wow! You learn something new every day!!!  :131- :244- :3-  :5-  :96-

Did anybody get their little board orders?
As I understand it, it seems like these were going to be mini-produced by some company.
Or did it go south?  :103-
I'd like to see if anybody could make one for me?
Did 2nuts ever make one that worked?

Thanks a biggie to Stat for the great thread from the past!  :131-
I remember reading that but my interest at that time wasn't as high as it
is now since I got a hold of one of these fantastically fun platforms!

It's too bad it's such an old platform and hard to get parts for it that we need to make our
own CAPX's with a modified breadboard reader/programmer adapter.
Still, it's fun as hell trying! :71-

I'm sorry for the million questions I've brought up but it's hard
to contain my excitement for learning something new!  :72-

Huh??  :191- :103- :128-

I had to double check your member name... :79- :200- :208- :208- :208-


:31-

lol...ummm...I meant ...uh.....I have no idea... :72-
That's the result of typing faster than I think... :25-  :5-
I guess I gotta try and make one...  :96-

cap chips for peplus
82s147n same as 74s472 and mb1724E
copy using original cap number
burn using new chip number

use allmax prom burner

David  any idea what this means ????????

Bunker  Your CAP 1321  is used in    Double Double Bonus Poker,  Triple Bonus Poker,  and 8-5 Poker.  I have all of them if you want to change games and see if the color comes alive.  I may even have a 2174 around here, the problem is most of the labels have fallen off and don't know how to read them in the burner. I guess the one I've been playing with I could put it in a machine and see what it looks like. 

Recommending an allmax burner (I guess it handles the voltage requirements of these chips)
Suggests using 82x147n instead of older chips (don't know anything about it or the others listed)
Instructs allmax burner users to set to old chip ID to read the old chip and then to switch to new chip ID before burning.


I think that Stolistic's breadboard to adapt the PE+ to use a 27C64 is a better solution. From what I skimmed there this afternoon, I believe that one would need the breadboard to read the older chip in a modern burner because of pinout differences, even though it shouldn't require higher voltages to read.
<ADD> I re-read it, and there are actually TWO breadboards. One to map the 20 pin chip to 28 pins so that the original can be read in a burner, and one to map the 28 pin chip to 20 pins so that it can be used in the PE+.

I know that the GQ-4X allows the end user to program their own chip configurations. If someone has the pin requirements for the old FXC7291, one might be able to program the GQ-4X to read the chip directly.

The info you posted seems to be alternative chips that can be used.
The problem lies with the fact that the AllMax+ burner is an obsolete burner and
not many people have those burners anymore I guess.

That particular burner can do the CAPX chips we're talking about.
Statfreak posted pretty much the same I'm saying here but I'd like to add that
I've been looking around for the past 1/2 hr for those chips
on the internet and don't see those anywhere!

I have to talk to my china connections and see if they have them laying around somewhere.
I agree that Stoli's breadboard would be the better way to go.
I can probably make one in a snap but I'm just wondering if anyone had gotten theirs made from before?
According to an old thread, Stolistic was going to try and get some made but the thread died?

ADD>> I had found this while looking around earlier.
I'll look for the FXC7291 data sheet.
At first, all I got was Spanish License plates...lol>>>

http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheets2/13/135687_1.pdf (http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheets2/13/135687_1.pdf)

Bingo!
Found the data sheet on the 74s472 chip.
Ouch! $13 bucks a pop...not cheap chips! lol

http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdDS/48864.pdf (http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdDS/48864.pdf)

http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/catalogs/c103/P6.pdf (http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/catalogs/c103/P6.pdf)

All we gotta do is match up these to Stolistic's drawing and
punch in the leg voltages on the GQ-4X programmer?

Mark    Doesn't your  ouote unqote machine have good color, except when your in the game choice menu ???   I tryed the chip I've been messing with and you damn sure don't want it. Off ebay I bought a whole set of game chips, just  to get the cap chip, dang thing is a 1321 !!!   

Thanks for trying it out Buzz...
That darn CAPX1321 is like mine.
The color ain't bad when playing a game.
You and knagl are right about it looking kinda "brownish-looking" when in the "game choice menu" screen.
I don't mind it though...I'm hardly ever in that screen anyways.

I'm wondering if the bright red colors knagl showed of Stolistic's mame picture
is really only that bright red looking in mame and not of the real PE+ game screen?

I believe that you would have to program the leg requirements (not just voltage, but address and data bus pins) manually into the GQ-4X to be able to read the original chip, following the data sheet specifications. This should work if the GQ-4X is as flexible as they boast, and if it can be set to the needed read voltage(s) of the chip. (Bunker, you can skip this step)

Once you have a working file copy of the chip, you would modify the data into a 512kbit file following Jim's instructions as to any required interlacing and any filling of 0x00s.

You would then set the GQ-4X to a standard 27c512 chip, load the modified file, and burn a standard 27c512 in the standard way.

You would then put that 27c512 into the breadboard and plug that into the PE+ caprom socket.

Mark Why don't I send you a set of chips for a different game that uses CAP 1321 and see what the color looks like ??? I have one other idea.

Could you do that Buzz?  :131- :3-
I am flabbergasted at your help on this! :89-

I wish Knagl and Stolistic were observing this thread... (where are ya guys??? lol )
I'm sure they would have some answers as well.
I'm really wondering how far they got with the caprom breadboard idea...
Luckily, I do have some of the parts (board sockets, etc) that's needed to construct one. :89-
I'm willing to attempt to make one as Stat is suggesting and see if it will indeed
work as described in that other thread.  :71-  :91-

Mark I sent you a PM

Bunker I sent it again

Something's wrong Buzz...
You must be sending PM's to someone else?

I got your emails earlier this evening about the "supportive wife" !  :72-
but no PM's... :128-

 :97- :97-  Okay, I have to agree that the "supportive wife" was the best of them!  He shouldn't have had his "footfeed" pressed down so far. :5-

I'm here!


Admittedly it's a little more vibrant in MAME, and as you guys pointed out, it doesn't affect the gameplay colors much, if at all (Jim (Stolistic) told me that IGT tended to keep the card/suit colors in the same place on each CAP chip, so to a point many CAP chips are compatible with many "basic" poker games).

Since you like to tinker, Bunker, I'd highly suggest building one of the conversion devices like Jim built.  You can then burn CAP data files to standard, erasable EPROMs like you already have for your S+ machines.  You wouldn't need a special chip or a special burner, and you could erase and re-program the EPROM as needed to accommodate different CAP requirements.

Did you see that Electrolux vacuum cleaner in there?
My mom had one of those when I was a kid...I used it more than her!!!!
That thing sucked everything!!!                                                              








(uh oh...)

I agree with you knagl...
I'm going to construct one very soon and give you guys an update.
I just gotta find my breadboard stock laying around somewhere...
Thanks for your thoughtful words. :89-

We had one of those, too, and it really did suck (in a good way). Jokesters may now come forth. :200-


Actually, I always describe Tugger's purring as sounding like a percolator, or maybe like a little toy boat motor. I never thought of the word percolator as being obsolete until tonight.
Thanks Buzz. :96- (kidding)

Wait! If you think those references make you feel old, look at Google's current graphic.

When you hover over it, the caption reads, "50th Anniversary of The Flintstones"  (9/30/1960) OUCH.

I'm trying to install Blackjack onto my PE+ board.
It's a 75703407 REV C 1996 MPU board.
My sockets are marked as:

"Cap Prom" U43
"Data" U66
"Program" U67
"MRO" U77
"MGO" U78
"MBO" U79
"MXO" U80

The Blackjack chips I have are marked as :
 
CAP707 U50
BE0014 U68
MRO-CG2036 U72
MGO-CG2036 U73
MBO-CG2036 U74
MXO-CG2036 U75

Do these BJ chips work on my MPU or do I need a different MPU?
If what board would I need?  :129-

Also, the BE0014 seems to be the oddball chip.
Where would it go on my board...into the "Program" or "Data" socket?

There are two different MPU's for the PE+
The older board (320 board ??) and the newer superboard.

The superboard has both a Program and a Data socket while the older board had only a Program Socket.

Blackjack is designed for the older board but any of the old games also work in the Superboard. You simply leave the Data chip out.
You can easily tell the difference because superboard games use a CapX (all the Cap chips have a X in their numbering ) while the regular games don't.

There are also two different sizes of graphic chips 256 and 512 and there is a jumper to change back and forth (I forget where this is) without my notes but you need to set it large for the multi-game sets and small for most everything else. 

Thank you Jay,  :89-
It appears that's there are 3 jumpers alongside the 3 Program/Data/Ram sockets.
Presently the sockets are occupied with 27c512 chips so I may not have to move the jumpers.
We'll see when I put the ( 27c512) BE0014 chip into the socket...

Just a side note to this as well - you can get a daughter board for the superboard which allows you to create your own multi-game sets.
These games must use the same graphics chips and common data chip.

Blackjack is not a game that you can use as part of a multi-set game as it doesn't play nice with others. I picked up a couple of the older boards and have blackjack permanently setup on one of these older boards so its a quick swap from another set.

From Jim's notes, the E16/E17 jumper is used to change between the 256 and 512 CG chips.  You'll likely have to change that jumper's position, Mark, to switch between your original multigame set and the blackjack game, or you'll get corrupted graphics on the screen.

Thanks for the info knagl...
That info may be good for the "302" board that Jay mentioned earlier?
I don't have those ones you've mentioned...my board is the "Superboard" I think....
The 3 jumpers on this thing are etched as:
E9/E8,  E6/E7, and E14/E13.

Jumper E11/E10 is board-soldered in...it doesn't appear to be configurable.

Here's a photo of it.
Click on photo to make larger! >>>

Only the superboard has the jumper to change between 256 and 512 -- the non-superboard doesn't support the multi-game games.  I'll have to look on mine to see what it's labeled as.

Mark-

You do have an E16/E17 jumper, it's just not where you were looking.  Look near the CAP prom.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/259xzyg.jpg)

lololololo  :25- :25- :25- :25- :25- :25- Thanks Knagl!
Man, how could I overlook that? WOW!

http://www.youtube.com/v/u3jUilSfqzU?hl=en&fs=1 (http://www.youtube.com/v/u3jUilSfqzU?hl=en&fs=1)

Whoa!  Do you now have the LCD image synced up?!?!  If you do, I think all we might need to do now is some color inversion.  Is that image that you posted steady (just the wrong colors), or is it still rolling and blipping in and out?

What did you do to get it synced?

Whoa Nellie! It's not my photo or LCD screen...!!!
I should have said it was from those south American boys that were playing around with it last spring.
They've got the sync right - but not the colors.... :37-
I want to get a hold of them because I don't remember where I got the photo from... :25-
Mine still does the rolling blipping in and out.... :8-

Bunker Bunker Bunker   He cheats at video poker, robs folks of their pics., next he will tell us he doesn't shoot "GOLFS"  on Sunday !!!!!!!!!!!!

 :72- The poker hit I got was for real man!  :37-
and you're right about Sunday...I don't shoot "golfs"  - I PLAY golf.  :208-
I have a lot more pictures but they're of a nature that may only be appropriate for porn sites... :200- :96-

That's true; you SHOOT PARs. :200-  :30- :208- :208- :208-
 :107- :251-

I thought this was kind of a cool hit!!!  :136-

Yaa  But you cheat !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :208- :208- :208- :208- :208- :208- :279- :279- :279- :279-

 :72-