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Hi,  
I'm looking for some Vision parts.  :99-
I want to try and convert my S2000 into a Vision.
I have the glass kit called "Tee Time".
I think I need a "Tee Time" flash card? I'm not sure on this. :128-
I would like to try and get a screen w/computer w/right side mounting
but will adapt a center mount as well!
Harnesses not really needed but would be a plus!

Also, an S2000 round topbox...
the light colored woodgrain would be nice and match my cabinet but any RT will do.

Attached below is a drawing of the parts I'm looking for.
Don't mind the drawing too much as it's one of a 16" I believe.
Click to enlarge! >>>

I can make your round top out of a coat hanger, I think... :103- :103- :103-

 :79- :79-

 :97- :72-  :30-

Bill,

Don't forget you will need to paint it red to match the drawing! :200- :72- :97-

CH :95-

I have red plastic coathangers and a heat gun, I think I'm set!

I can't wait to see how it comes out, especially after Stout Bunkerizes™ it.  :79-   :72-  :72-

Good news!...save your coat hangers! :96-
I may have a few parts on the way out here!  :89-  :136-

All I need is to borrow somebody's PCMCIA card?
Or one for sale?  :88-
What's recommended?
Does it look like these below? >>>

I'm assuming it's a card that has the graphics for the computer? :129- :128-

Here are a couple of PCMCIA cards I have.  I think these are pretty old but the one on the left runs my Bonus Spin R W & B.

Ron (r273)

Since those are pretty common, theoretically they're easily copied?

This is what I was told one time. If you copy a flashdisk it puts a hidden file that has to deleted before it will work again. It is a “recycled file”.  
When I tried it, I could not find it.

Ron (r273)

One of our members told me that I should go with the 48meg cards
because if I were to choose to upgrade the game later on to run a "Munsters" type of game -
I would need the extra megs to run it correctly.

Apparently, the later Vision games needed more memory space? :103-
Sounds about right to me... :89-

I'm guessing that it's going to be a royal pain in the behind to try
and locate the animations for this game.
My guess is that it would be housed/ programmed into a PCMCIA flash card
I got it from Tophat but he didn't have the software for it...  :8-
 
( Here's a photo of my glass kit I copied from tophat79's website ) >>>

Okay,
I did some homework...
I think I need a IGT BGM00057 Tee Time PCMCIA card for the LCD computer.

I may also need the IGT SB000160 Tee Time & HL&W * U21 27040 CAP1   
or the IGT SB000161 Tee Time & HL&W * U21 27040 15P6.

I'm not sure what the "HL&W" actually means yet.... :129-
Please PM me if you have one or know of someone that may have one?...Thanks!  :133-

A member offered to sell me one of his LCD screens and computer and am totally psyched about it!! :184-  :131-
Another great NLG member also is trying to locate a RT topbox too!   :3-  :89-

HL&W is the clone of that game.. give me a few hours and I can tell you the name of it, if it comes to me  :103-

Hook, Line & Win... came to me about the 18 mile marker on I-75  :30-

If golf wasn't boring enough they cloned it into a fishing version  :97-

Make that winner...

which also resides in TopHat's ebay store

http://cgi.ebay.com/IGT-SLOT-MACHINE-VISION-GLASS-HOOK-LINE-AND-WINNER-/360290354538 (http://cgi.ebay.com/IGT-SLOT-MACHINE-VISION-GLASS-HOOK-LINE-AND-WINNER-/360290354538)

----------- :208--------------. B.  :251-.

Hey! I gotta get exercise somehow! lol   :250-

Is that a Flintstones powered golf cart you're tootling around in?

Okay,
Thanks to our fantastic members... :89-
I know have just about everything I need to put this conversion together!  :3- :244- :131-
All I need now is an s2000 16" topbox ( RT or square! ) and a glass kit/strips/software!  :99-

I don't think I need part #12...???  :103-
Looks like some sort of flashing that goes around the LCD?
Is it really needed?
Click on photo below to make it bigger! >>>

12 looks like the frame that surrounds it...

12 looks like the frame that supports it for side mount applications, not critical, but it would sure make the installation easier

"I don't think I need part #12...???  "

Yep it is not  on mine.

Ron(r273)

Are there two differant frames for flip out or stationary applications?

I don't know cowboy but mine looks exactly like r273's photo really.
In the manual, I did not see a "stationary" frame at all.

For the 9" top the LCD screen has the hinge that bolts to the inside of the top box.

Ron (r273)

I'll bet anyones money but mine that that frame is what gives it the ability to swing out :97- :97- Hell, I don't know, my vision is still in Phoenix, but it's a center mount anyway :30-

I do not have one nor do I want one.  I have studied the pictures and agree,  You can see the hinge then see where it would bolt/mount to the frame in question so I am with the cowboy here.  They made diff. versions of this platform as well.   Frankenstein .  B.

I haven't seen the drawings of the center mounted LCD screen -
although I agree that this center-mount exists.
Should anyone have this documentation, please send a copy of it to me and I'll try to ask and see
that it gets put into the uploads section for all of us to share.  :71-

I'd imagine that the bracket for the center mount is somewhat different in that it would need
some sort of "right-side bracket" in which the LCD screen hooks into onto the slot on the hinges.

I'm pretty sure that even the center mounted LCD screen -
would have the ability to swing out as well... :89-

Stout, You would be correct in your assumptions.  Most people do not need the parts you request and look for as they are redially available 24/7 in complete machines for PENNIES on the  :148-.  They are good games but really not that pricey in my opinion.  If you want to build one from junk and hand-outs then please document it.  It will help others in the future -------  :103-.  B.

That's  OK Bunker  Anyone can go out and buy a machine !!  Build it yourself and be proud of it. And if nothing else at least you can admit that's it's yours and not belong to someone else
 in another country.

What was that song from long ago, before my time, about a guy that takes car parts, one at a time, and then has a car from all different years. Seriously, if a person is on a budget, and can't afford a whole machine at one time, it is an excellent idea. Just get the parts, one by one, and then build it if time is not an issue. Just remember that in the long run, it might cost more than if you had bought the machine outright in the first place. But an excellent option for others. Especially tinkerers like Stout, and others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIuo0KIqD_E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIuo0KIqD_E)

 :208- :208- I love it! I've always like Johnny Cash since I was a kid.
I'd sit on the couch next to my father on Saturday nights and hear him say :
" Hello!  I'm Johnny Cash!"

Hey! I got a couple of Vision DSV's in today.
numbers DSV00026 and DSV00031 to use on this puppy. Thanks to our Canadian friends!  :244-
It's getting there baby! One piece at a time... :89-
I ordered some blank PCMCIA cards too!  :79-
Stay tuned!
http://www.youtube.com/v/Ca2ioOapKsQ?fs=1&hl=en_US (http://www.youtube.com/v/Ca2ioOapKsQ?fs=1&hl=en_US)

I wonder what's going on here?
I'm getting this error after the message "Initializing...Please Wait" >>>

I wasn't aware the Vision used sound SIMMS, and never gotten one as part of a Vision game kit.  :103-

Yes,
I have DSV00026 installed.
I don't know if it needs it or not...lol
but it's in there.

Anyways,
It looks like I'm losing something after the initialization.... :8-
Here's a short clip of the boot up sequence in action on the LCD screen>>>

http://www.youtube.com/v/iWEukHANMYA?fs=1&hl=en_US (http://www.youtube.com/v/iWEukHANMYA?fs=1&hl=en_US)

Try booting without the MMLBII installed.

I just did...same deal.
It's almost as if it's not getting the signature from the RFA25
because there's no card in the side PCMCIA slot.
I think I need this card... :129-

 :279- I can't help you, other than using some new smilies that is! :280

CH :95-

The card doesn't stay in the side. It goes in to do the upgrade, then it is removed after the upgrade is complete.

Thanks guys...K+ to you!
( I just had to get Capt to 500 K+'s! )

Have you tried openning the door, turning the jackpot key when you get that message and then push the white test button?

Ron (r273)

I have not r273.
I have only either turned the reset key or pressed the test button
but not both at the same time nor both actions in sequence.
I will try this when I get home later to see if anything changes.

The first few times I opened the door however, and turned the key,
it seemed to me that the machine's VFD would go back into a verify mode
with the message "MSVerify:Verifying"...after about 30 seconds or so,
the message would pop up on the VFD saying>>> "MSVerify: COMM Error".
The error on the LCD screen would not change at all.
The LCD message of "Unrecoverable error" would remain there.

After quite some time though ( maybe 2 or 3 minutes) , the VFD display
would revert to the "MSVerify" mode.
But it would go into the "COMM  Error" message again after a few minutes and
keep repeating this sequence without any input from me.


I read in an earlier post from Dorothy's conversion,
that mentioned Blueridge as saying that the LCD
computer and the machine itself are 2 separate things.
With this in mind - I don't know how much weight I should put into the messages that
come up on the VFD display - rather than the LCD screen display?

From what I understand....
When someone puts in an RFA card on the side to boot up the LCD,
Then removes the RFA card after the time and date message...
then the bonus screen pops up on the LCD?
I don't get a Time&Date message because I don't have an RFA card.
My question is: Does the LCD screen sequence look like mine?

What is supposed to show up after the LCD screen is in "Initializing...Please Wait" mode?
The video of the top PCMCIA card contents? A show?

If you are getting a "MSVerify: COMM Error" then your cable that connects the LCD to the machine is not correct.  This cable is typically 3 gray wires that connects to the comm port in the left side of the top box.  Check that cable.

Also, the date and time prompt only comes up when the upgrade process is complete, as the upgrade process clears the date and time from the computer inside the lcd computer. It will not come up at any other time.

Thanks guys... :131- :3-
I greatly appreciate your input on this for me and future Vision owners... :89-

I was following the pinouts on my copy of a drawing
where the 6-pin Molex on the LCD computer has :

1-Not Used
2-Gray/Black
3-Gray/Brown
4-Gray/Yellow
5-Not Used
6-Not Used

and the 3-pin Molex on the topbox floor connector plate
towards the left back of the box is:

1-Gray/Black
2-Gray/Brown
3-Gray/Yellow

The drawings I used, I think is from a Vision S/T...
It's all I had to go by.
Could this be the culprit guys?
If you get a chance, could you verify sometime from your machine or proper upright Vision
wiring schematics, if I made the right pin-outs for this harness?

I will open the LCD computer cover and verify later this evening if the wires are physically
color matching the gray wires inside of the LCD computer MPU board.
I'm fairly certain the 3 wires at the other end are correct because
I followed the colors of the connecting 3-pin Molex.

I'll get pictures later tonight when I'm done slaving here...  :30- :30- :30-

I just checked my cable and the connections to the comm are correct.

I have just taken the cover off of the LCD computer and traced the wiring.
Apparently, all looks fine as all the wiring is color-matched into the correct Molex pin locations.
So I plugged everything back in and voila!  :199-
I saw, for the briefest of mini-seconds as the LCD was into it's "Boot up" mode,  a couple of lines... :209-
I cannot, for the life of me remember the exact words, but I am positive that I saw
2 lines (As they were scrolling extremely fast) that read: Incorrect Media" or "Wrong Media"... :136-

I'm believing now that my CF flash card (in the PCMCIA adapter ) has too large of a volume.
I cannot fathom that this ancient computer board can handle a
4GB CF flash card I have in the PCMCIA adapter.

Am I on the right track?
I have a 20mb PCMCIA SanDisk Flashdisk in front of me as I'm posting this thread and
am waiting for my 10 year old laptop to recharge it's battery cells. lol
I'm lucky that my $75 Acer TravelMate 660 still has a PCMCIA slot on the side!  :285- :291- :267-

Hummm........too large? It's a possiblity. It's probably like a 386 or 486 processor in that box. It only has to perform a few functions so not a lot of computing power needed.

I think it's a 386 processor chip-based board but it's hard to tell with a
huge purple-finned anodized heat sink glued onto the top of it... :97-

ADD>>>
I just reviewed the youtube video clip I made and it's processor speed is at a whopping 100Mhz!  :279-

It's a 486 (DX4 100, IIRC) in the top box.

Didn't IGTman hook up a keyboard to it once?

Supposedly...

well,
I wonder what the pin-outs are for on the bottom of the LCD board...hmm.... :79-

Let's see what the good book says.... :209-

Let's see here...( bunker flipping through the pages ) ...
okay ... Got it! aw...nope...


 :214-  CD ROM...hmm....

I gotta take a crash course on learning how to partition a 4Gb SanDisk CF
card into a much smaller size like around 20Mb....lol

Any ideas on how to accomplish this feat?
Is it like stuffing 20lbs of sausage into a 1lb bag?

I don't think it's the partition table, I think it's the addressable space in the BIOS. See the first section of the following link:

http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/drive_size_barrier_limitations_2.htm (http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/drive_size_barrier_limitations_2.htm)

Interesting stuff which I have no clue how to apply...lol  :5-
Unless I try to run it on my laptop somehow?

Here's a dumb question but here it goes>>>
I have 13 files I want to add to a 20Mb PCMCIA PC Card ATA SanDisk
They are as follows:

13.3kb
95.7kb
  0.8kb
  1.8kb
97.9kb
  0.2kb
  7.7kb
  2.3kb
80.2kb
80.2kb
37.3kb
37.3kb
56.6kb
31.8kb

okay?
What does it add up to in Mb?
My flash card doesn't hold more than 20Mb's.
Will these files fit?

1024kb = 1mb.  20mb = 20,480kb (although drive manufacturers cheat, so it's really just 20,000, and there is also loss due to overhead.)

It looks like you've got almost 19,500kb to spare!  :200- :30- :208- :208- :208-

You could probably put 34-36 copies of those files on the card.  :5-

Thanks stat! :131-  :284- :293-
I get 543.1kb
Would that be equal to about 5.4Mb? or 0.54Mb ?   Half a meg?  :103-  :99-

0.54mb    ...  technically, it's 0.53mb :96-

lol...Thank you so much for putting up with me Stat!  :131- :72-
K+ to ya!  :97-
It may be actually 5.431Mb...  :5-
I'm so sorry I'm such a bother at times...
It's just that I'm trying a little too hard in trying to get this puppy up and running!
I've come a long ways but sometimes my brain falls off a cliff.... :277- :267- :127-

When they get to the bottom, tell them to look me up. I'm the second splatter on the right, just behind the CRS flowers. I think they were part of the forget-me-not flower family, but they were disinherited some years back when they couldn't remember their roots, or where they were planted.  :279-

 :208- :208- :208- :208- :208- :208- :208- You're nuts!!! :97-

By the way...
I found the 2 lines in the Boot-Up sequence I mentioned
in an earlier post this evening.
I'm wondering if that has anything to do with why the LCD screen
computer doesn't get past the RFA10025 signature error lines?  :128-

Click on photo below to enlarge and see clearer! >>>

Do you have a card in the slot on the left?

uh...no  :103-
I think an RFA10025 or RFA10065 goes in there but I'm not sure.... :129-

That's why it may not get past the RFA10025 error?
I think the LCD computer needs it to get a " SIG: "     = "signature"?
Maybe I need a keno pen to sign on the dotted lines...lol
Click on photo to enlarge.  >>>

There is no RFA10065 that I'm aware of.

I think you have the wrong card in the top slot... can you put it in your laptop and run the dir /p command, then list the contents?

Yes, I need a minute...

okay.
I must be typing something wrong in the cursor?

are you running Windows?

You need to type dir x: /p
x would be the driver letter assigned to your PCMCIA card when in your laptop

Open My Computer so you can see what driver letter is assigned to the card.

yep...XP Home Edition circa 2001...lol

Open my computer and see what drive letter has been assigned to the 40 megabyte drive, then go to the dos prompt and type that letter followed by a colon, then enter. After that, type the dir /p command

okay...now what?
I have no clue how to use DOS...lol
Click on photo to make bigger! >>>

Ok, type cd MsLGM and hit enter, then type the dir /p command again

path is wrong?

you need to pay attention here... LOL

typ e: then hit enter
type cd MsLGM then hit enter
then type dir /p

It's going to look like this, only I'm using the D drive

well why didn't you say so in the first place? LOL

just kidding...I was always a dunce with DOS...
but I gave ya a K+...lol

LOL
Stout, I saw you changing your avatar and saved the other one a second before you put your cat back.

:31-

lol...you're fast dude!
Is this the line of info the LCD computer was searching for?
Should it be in the side card slot or the top card slot?>>>

Whew! I'm bushed...
I gotta get to bed...
Talk to u guys tomorrow!

The only difference I seee is that those files are in the root of my card, and they're in a subdirectory in yours.

Are you comfortable enough with your computer to move the files to the root of the drive?

Bunker, when you wake up, this is the command to move the files to the root.

Make SURE you're in the right directory on the right drive!! Type the bolded text exactly as shown. There is a space after the word move and after the *.

E:\MsLGM> move * \

and press enter.

okay,
I typed in the move command and I think they went into the root directory.
But when I typed it in a couple of more times - I got errors.
This is what it looks like so far>>>

Go to the root directory and run dir /p see if the files are there...

okay, I think I just moved them with the move command successfully?
Is this a way to verify?
I really don't know where I moved them to...lol >>>

So, you went back to the C drive to try and check the location of the files, but you need to go to the root of E drive, that's where you want them.

e:
dir /p

okay I'll try that...
uh...why are we doing this?  :128-
Will it run on this laptop? Probably not huh? :129-
I think I need to find a PSR sheet for this game...?
To see what else I need to display this puppy!

Pop that sucker back in the game and see if it works.  :200-

Report back with results.  :89-

I will when I get home..lol
Details somewhat LIVE around 6PM EST.  :97-

I'm not convinced I have everything complete to make this puppy work.
I need to locate some info as to what SB,SG, Version chips are needed to make this sucker
work as well as the proper numbered ATA cards with their respective BGM's and whatnot
so I can ask the rest of the country what I need....lol

I will however, pull the jumper located near the memory card slots, to see
what is happening on the LCD screen behind the scenes.

Results:
When I pulled the jumper, and powered up -
the LCD screen stayed black until
it got up to the the "Initializing...Please Wait" message...
Then the RFA10025 pops up and then this>>>

"SIG: ...............................
............................Unrecov
erable error"

The blinking cursor goes here.   
Meanwhile, the VFD display on the machine is eternally
frozen with the message "PLEASE WAIT-TESTING MEMORY"

Changed to SG000380's for GME1&2 and got this on the LCD screen.
We're getting somewhere! 
Probably the shortest video clip I've ever posted yet!!
Short and to the point :72- >>>>

http://www.youtube.com/v/Sgu84hsccYQ?fs=1&hl=en_US (http://www.youtube.com/v/Sgu84hsccYQ?fs=1&hl=en_US)

Now you need the RFA. I'm pretty sure that's an OS issue.

Thanks to one of our NLG members - it's on it way!  :136- :285-


:254-

Another piece of the puzzle came in the mail today!  :204-
It's a beautiful Black RT from California's own slots4home!!  :131-
I amazed that nothing happened to it as it came
in the weirdest packing I've ever seen!!!
I know D. knows how to pack stuff but this one - wow!  :259-
I'm sure he used up an entire roll of packing tape!  :72-

I got the RT 4XPay glass from another NLG member rjpohl!
Thank you so very much RJ!!! :244- :3-
He used the world's thickest cardboard on earth! lol
Thanks to both gentleman for their fine packing skills!!! TOP NOTCH!!!  :89-

I just struck any ol' candle on top for the photo...
I'll probably go with a topper instead.
Check these out!>>>