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Title: Tokens
Post by: Karaoke Mike on March 16, 2009, 10:19:42 AM
Hi, I was wondering if anyone weighed a 1000 quarter sized tokens. I don't want to count them out, and I was wondering how much they would weigh? Thank you


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: StatFreak on March 16, 2009, 10:44:40 AM
Hi, I was wondering if anyone weighed a 1000 tokens. I don't want to count them out, and I was wondering how much they would weigh? Thank you

What denomination?


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: Karaoke Mike on March 16, 2009, 10:58:34 AM
Sorry, my bad, I forgot that important detail.


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: StatFreak on March 16, 2009, 11:06:58 AM
This is the scale that I use to count my coins. It has no problem weighing a large bucket of quarters (600-800) and has a count feature. You put a known sample on the scale to set the weight (I use 100 pieces for the best accuracy) and then instead of reading out the weight, it will read out the number of pieces. It remembers the last sample that you set, so once you calibrate the count feature for the coins you use, you don't have to do it again.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=%20250381921740 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=%20250381921740)

I checked and FleaPay seems to have the best price right now. Sadly, the price has gone up significantly since I bought mine. :60-  I paid about $120 three years ago and didn't even use fleaBray. I bought mine from discount scales (http://www.discountedscales.com/ibalance-5500-p-378.html?osCsid=8ba94f76882e206e892d92101d2e3087), and now they're charging $188


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: StatFreak on March 16, 2009, 11:10:26 AM
Sorry, my bad, I forgot that important detail.

I was hoping you were going to say dollar, because I have lots of dollar tokens from a casino that I could have checked for you. Unfortunately, I only have one or two quarter-sized tokens. I can weigh them for you and let you know, but I think that tokens from different manufacturers would weigh different amounts. In addition, if you don't have a scale with the degree of accuracy listed above, you won't get an accurate count. If you're using something like a simple bathroom scale, you could be off by dozens of tokens.


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: tacman on March 16, 2009, 11:30:33 AM
Not only that, but I have sevveral of the .984 tokens and have to keep them in separate machines due to the comparitors rejecting those not the same as the sample token, and that's with the adjustment to minimum.

 Dan (tacman)


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: StatFreak on March 16, 2009, 11:40:01 AM
I have two quarter-sized tokens. One is the gold token that Fannini slots made. The other is a "silver" token from "Casino Rama".
Here are their weights using my most accurate scale. Keep in mind that at this level of accuracy, different samples of the same tokens might actually weigh different amounts. (Note: I didn't use the i5500 for these figures; it's not this accurate. However, it's more than good enough to weigh a sample set of coins and then count 600 of them.)

Fannini Slot's gold 777 quarter-sized token:    5.280 grams  +/- 0.005 g
Casino Rama's silver quarter-sized token:        6.105 grams  +/- 0.005 g  (This coin is also slightly larger than Fannini's)  I'm not getting out my micrometer! LOL.

<ADD> A standard quarter in uncirculated condition weighs 5.67grams. (source: US MINT) There are exactly $20/lb (453.6 grams). This is also true of dimes and 50 cent pieces: $20/lb. It's not true of nickels, pennies, or the new dollars. Also, a random sample of circulated quarters weighs 0.9939 of uncirculated. For example, if you weighed a typical circulated sample of quarters and they weighed 563.5 grams, you would know that there were 100 quarters in your sample. I calculated the 0.9939 figure before buying the counting scale. It's not a perfect figure, but is accurate enough to weigh about 500-700 quarters and figure out how many there are.


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: Jim on March 16, 2009, 02:46:17 PM
Hey  StatFreak     that seems to be right, when we turned our bags into the FED. they weighed them for accuracy,  4000 quarters  weighs approx. 50lbs.  therefore 1000  should be  12.5 lbs  + or minus a few.  Count out the first 1000, then use it as a guide .


Jim


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: StatFreak on March 16, 2009, 03:13:40 PM
Hey  StatFreak     that seems to be right, when we turned our bags into the FED. they weighed them for accuracy,  4000 quarters  weighs approx. 50lbs.  therefore 1000  should be  12.5 lbs  + or minus a few.  Count out the first 1000, then use it as a guide .


Jim

Until recently I had $2250 in quarters in the house for my machines. I didn't want to waste time rolling them so I got the clear plastic bags from the bank and put $500 in each for submission to the federal reserve. The bags hold $1000 but I tried it and the handle was cutting into my hands, so I did $500 each. I used my scale to count them. If the fed had found any errors in my bags they would have sent a correction to my bank which, in turn, would have debited or credited my account. That didn't happen, so I can figure that my scale did a good job.

The fed has been weighing money as a means of counting for years. Interestingly, the dime-quarter-half dollar-Ike dollar setup @ $20/lb is basaed on the US weight system, as it ought to be. Pennies and nickels, however, are based on the metric system. A nickel is exactly 5.00 grams uncirculated and a penny is exactly 2.5 grams.

What's cool about the original system was that you could have a bag of mixed change, as long as there were no nickels or pennies in it, and no matter what the ratio of dimes, quarters, halves, and dollars, it would still be worth $20 a pound. (The new dollars broke this system. The old Ikes were four times the weight of a quarter and twice that of a half dollar etc.)


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: a69mopar on March 16, 2009, 03:51:35 PM
That's some interesting info there  K+(as if you need it).  I never knew that.

Thanks,
Wayne


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: JRR4 on March 16, 2009, 03:54:55 PM
My local credit union has a coin counting machine that's free to use for customers.  Well worth the $5.00 minimum savings account to join.  I'd love to see how that thing works on the inside.  It's remarkably fast and when it rejects a slug it's LOUD!


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: jay on March 16, 2009, 03:58:26 PM
I never knew that about the weight of money very cool system.....
I know I have mentioned this before but you can get change and money accessories at
www.netbankstore.com (http://www.netbankstore.com)

I bought a couple thousand quarter sized rollers from above and a coin counter / roller off of ebay.

Just leaving a coin cup full of tokens around doesn't give one the feeling of "loss" / gambling you get like when you are in a casino so its nice to hand out a couple of rolls to people.


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: Brianzz on March 16, 2009, 04:38:59 PM
blah blah blah blah blah blah

hahaha.. Statfreak is a fountain of information.. We need to put him on Jeopardy, we'll blow well known Keebler elf Ken Jennings record out of the water


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: Brianzz on March 16, 2009, 04:50:11 PM
hmmm.. who knew an ashtray full of change could hold so much money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0_ovvyjscI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0_ovvyjscI)


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: jay on March 16, 2009, 05:07:33 PM
Cool machine but it doesnt roll or wrap....
I also second the nomination....


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: a69mopar on March 16, 2009, 07:59:48 PM
all in favour.  It's unanimous, we have our contestant. :3- :3- :3-


Title: Re: Tokens
Post by: StatFreak on March 17, 2009, 12:08:37 AM
 :97- :97- :97-
Thanks for the nomination guys, but Ken Jennings would kick my Jeopardy butt from Culver City all the way back to Salt Lake Seattle, his last reported location.  :30-  :30- :72- :72-