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« on: July 20, 2010, 07:17:29 PM »

Can someone tell me if their is any difference between the S2000 & S+ %'s.
I'm only asking because I ordered a machine from Rocky Mtn. slot with 95%. The thing was paying off like crazy, now, very little. They sent me the 504-b Board & that took care of any sound issues. It runs like a Swiss watch, I really don't know if I've ever had a Swiss Watch, any way I was reading the post to find out the %  & was wondering if it went to the default setting when I changed the Board. I looked it up on the machine, 7.1.2, GAME SELECTION,   Game #1,  98.02%,  LSO 14295, what ever that means.
I guess what I'm asking is, my S+'s were 94.1 & 95 %  & you could run out of money, like the Casino. Now I have 98.02% & you can still run out of money, but the big Pays are harder to get.
Is 95% the same on any game?  I've read where most of the members set their machines to the higher pay offs.

I know this doesn't mack much sense, here goes, I'm hitting POST
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2010, 08:32:20 PM »

Can someone tell me if their is any difference between the S2000 & S+ %'s.
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There are can be lot of differences between the S+ paytables and the S2000 paytables for the same game. From what I've seen, the S2000 tends to use more virtual stops. Oddly, they don't always extend the odds of the top prizes (they just add more of them so that the overall odds are in a similar "reasonable" range).

Also, S2000 games incorporate all of the paytables for a given game into one chip. You can select whichever paytable you desire during the key setup procedure.
S-pluses have only one paytable on a chip, so changing the payback percentage requires you to physically swap out one chip for another.


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I'm only asking because I ordered a machine from Rocky Mtn. slot with 95%. The thing was paying off like crazy, now, very little.
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That's the nature of randomness. Most people think that random = even distribution. IT DOESN'T. Look up at the sky on a clear night and search for stars. There are places in the sky that have none and are black; there are other places that have tight clusters of stars almost overlapping. Think of the stars as hits on your machine.

American type III gaming machines operate on the theory of independent trials. That means that what happened in the previous spin(s) has no effect on the next spin. Human beings have a genetic need to see patterns -- it comes from survival instincts. We try to find a pattern in everything, even when there is none.

When the PAR sheet states "95.0%" payback, that holds true only after a statistically significant number of spins have occurred, and depending on the number of virtual stops and the volatility of the paytable, that can mean millions of spins. At the very least, it means several hundred thousand spins.

There is also a volatility index included in most par sheets. It indicates how much variance one can normally expect to see in a small sample of spins (1,000, 10,000, 100,000, etc.). Contrary to popular belief around here, that volatility chart DOES NOT MEAN that the machine will vary more just after a clear -- during the first 10,000 spins or whatever. It DOES MEAN that for ANY given run of 10,000 spins or whatever (start counting anytime), one can expect that level of variance in the payback.



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They sent me the 504-b Board & that took care of any sound issues. It runs like a Swiss watch, I really don't know if I've ever had a Swiss Watch,
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any way I was reading the post to find out the %  & was wondering if it went to the default setting when I changed the Board. I looked it up on the machine, 7.1.2, GAME SELECTION,   Game #1,  98.02%,  LSO 14295, what ever that means.
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I don't own an S2000, so I'm not sure? Scratch Head 2  If you had to use your key chip after changing the board, then I can tell you that yes, your game would default to the highest paytable after resetting the machine. If Brian set it up for 95% and it now indicates that it's running 98%, I'd say that the paytable was changed. arrow


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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2010, 08:40:27 PM »

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I guess what I'm asking is, my S+'s were 94.1 & 95 %  & you could run out of money, like the Casino. Now I have 98.02% & you can still run out of money, but the big Pays are harder to get.
Is 95% the same on any game?
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Most definitely NOT! After millions of spins, two games with the same payback will have paid out about the same percentage of what they took in, but again, all roller coasters start and end at the platform -- what happens in between is what makes them different!  Jumping for Joey Jumping for Joey ill vomit vomit  Cry Laughing Cry Laughing Cry Laughing


Consider two slot machines that each pay back 100%:

One is called "A Hundred or Nothing" (yes that's a REAL IGT S2000 game!). You either win 100 coins or you win nothing. If the payback is 100%, then in the long run you'll hit the prize every 100 pulls. That's very volatile. You could easily play 300 to 500 times and win nothing at all, or you could spin 10 times and hit the prize 3 times for 300 coins.

Another is a fictitious slot called "Why Am I Playing This Stupid Slot?". The strips are all white with no symbols, and three blanks pays back what you bet.  Duh!  So with every spin, you bet 1 coin, and you win 1 coin.

They both pay back 100%, but the ride in the middle is vastly different. Thankfully, most slots are somewhere in the middle of these extremes. The choice of what game to play depends on the player's preference towards either volatility or frequent (lower) payouts.



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I've read where most of the members set their machines to the higher pay offs.
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Definitely, since in the long run... stir the pot / get cooking yes


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