Need Help with Coin in setup, and a few glitches...

[Magicslots]

  Well I bit the bullet and bought my first machine. An S+ 2C RWB Wild star, while not really the machine I wanted, this guy was only a few blocks away and the machine came with a bunch of spare parts. it came with a steel casino base, casino stool, set/clear chips,  bunch of light bulbs still in the pkg, 3 coin comparators, extra hopper with some extra hopper parts (more on this later), a 145 DBV in the machine, a spare 145, and a spare 200DBV, two DBV power supplies, spare JP reset switch, and some various other misc. small parts. Bought it all for less than $500! So I guess the spare goodies were the clincher. The guy used to have a part time business selling slots on the side etc.  He is still hunting for the manual, but i doubt he is going to find it.
  Machine works okay, reels are a bit noisy, there is a slight buzzing sound especially during 1 credit plays, and the handle sometimes locks up . usually a jiggle or two or spinning the reels via the buttom clears this up.  Would this be the handle lock solenoid making this sound? It seems to come from the lower right rear corner behind the handle pivot. do I just need to clean and lube this, or is it something more? It also buzzes sometimes as each reel stops. Also how do I lube the reels?
  Now on to the main issue, this machine has been converted for a convenience store to payout tickets. The kind you usually get for carnival rides etc, by use of a converted hopper contraption and a separate PC board mounted to the lower left inside of the cabinet.  While I am sure this would be great for a charity event etc, I would like to convert it back to coins payout by using the spare hopper.
  The problem is that other than the spare comparators I have, there is no coin head,  chute or other mounting hardware on which to mount the comparator. the DBV is set up for 4 credits to the dollar and the spare hopper appears to be a quarter also.  So what list of l parts do I need, to get all the goodies to convert this back to spitting out coins?
  While I am on this subject my wife wants me to convert this to nickels, I don't care,which ever is cheaper and easier for me, but... when mama aint happy, life can get tough.
  If anyone wants to trade me out of this setup for the coin conversion let me know, maybe somebody out then could use it for birthdays charity events etc. We would need to swap out front coin tray also, as this has an added slot for spitting out the coupons.  Thanks for the help in advance.

[jay]

I have not seen too many coinless S+'s.  So I would start by posting a couple pictures.
An outside shot of the betting deck, a inside the door pic and one of the hopper area would be a good start.

On a S2000 they usually just put a plate over where the coin in would go. the coin head is simply has a couple of nuts holding it in place and you would get the appropriate one for a dollar, quarter, nickle etc. Quarters and Dollars are the most available however most other currencies are available.

With respect to the other parts I wouldn't be suprized if most everything (less comparitor)  isn't still inside the door. Normally the coin comparitor simply clips into place and has a small harness to activiate it. Once we get the inside door pic we can comment further. Below the coin comparitor is a small set of optics. There is also a solinoid and dirvertor rake that handles the coin acceptance. It would probably be more effort to remove this stuff than to leave it in place.

The hopper just slides in and mates with the large connector that is there. Again we can't be too specific until we see whats in the hopper area. If the hopper plug is still in once piece thats great. He might have hacked the harness up or if your lucky paralleled it or better yet maybe he left it alone and got the male from an old hopper.

[Magicslots]

There is indeed a plate bolted in where the coin head would go. Sorry about that. There is no comparator, only two wire plugs and the bottom black plastic coin slide/diverter.  The hopper pug is intact, this really is a neat conversion. i will try to post some pics tomorrow, as I am at work until then. The only reason I haven't pulled it out yet is that i am trying to get an idea of just what is involved here.
Shouldn't be too difficult, of there isn't any weird wiring involved.  I take it the extra PC board is not normal equip on an S+?

[jay]

On a S+ you have 2 boards. One is fixed to the bottom of the slot (the mother board) and the other (MPU board) is mounted in a silver tray and is inserted to the motherboard. Usually this is behind the hopper although there are some where the board is down the left hand side. The extra PC board is far from standard.

[Magicslots]

Here are a couple of links to pics of the door, please tell me what I need.
(having trouble posting so I hope this works)
Next i will post some pics of the strange hopper set up.

well, that didnt work so see below!

[jay]

Sorry pictures are a bit small for me to make anything of them.
When I enlarge they get too blurry.
Simply do a REply to the post and below you will see a box that reads ATTACH and a  BROWSE button that will let you choose your photo.

[Magicslots]

Okay, I'll try again

[stayouttadabunker]

You're gonna need a coin mech bracket, a coin mech and possibly and coin mech harness...
Pull that stuff out of the coin chute....it's all stuffed in there.
At least they gave you the coin-in optics...

[jay]

I concur.

You will find a COIN IN - Small Denomination.PDF  in the Upload a new file area.
You should be able to download this.

It has an exploded view and a parts list.

The hardest to find will be the COIN MECH holder bracket as this is not a common thing to go missing..
Albiet if you call some of the vedors they probably have one left over from a parted out machine.

Alternatively you often see complete doors for sale on ebay for cheap.
Its kind of like scraping a Car. You can struggle to sell the whole thing for $50 bucks but advertise the engine for $400 and you will get lots of bites....

[Magicslots]

Thanks guys, I welcome all the help and input I  can get.  I'll post an add here in the classifieds to give the guys on here the first shot at getting my money! they deserve it.
Later I wil post some pics of the weird ticket/hopper set up that I have just now pulled out to get a better look at it.

[Magicslots]

Here's a couple of the weird hopper/ticket assembly: Ever seen one like it? The board on the left is the controller for the ticket dispenser. When i pulled it out the hopper plug seems intact.
The only extra wiring I found was for a power supply, of of what I think is the hopper control board bottom right of pic 2

[stayouttadabunker]

Yep... because I made something that works similar to that.
What that does is when you hit the cash out button, it count off the credits, sends it to that board on the left wall via the mini button switch, and then to the ticket dispenser.
Because someone actually used coins riveted to the pinwheel, it counts off credits about the same speed as if real coins were spitting into the tray.
Basically, it's a coin less hopper that spits out tickets instead of coins and probably uses a DBV to accept bills for credits.

[jay]

The connector looks good - your hopper should slide right in.
That board on the left may need to go....

[jay]

It it takes bills you could probably load up 20 or so credits and then test the hopper by putting in 25 or so coins and hitting the cash/credit button.

[Magicslots]

 Jay, I did just that, and hurrah the hopper activated.  Unfortunately, the coins loaded on the wheel but kept sliding under the plastic hopper knife(part no. 585 030 00 B) and ergo I got a 3300 hopper empty error. I put on a new knife with a different part number(70-0546-00), it made no difference.  So i am not sure if it is the wrong wheel, or I don't have it adjusted correctly or what.  Also this hopper doesn't have a coin optic, it has a mechanically operated counter with a roller that lifts as each coin passes under it. Is that just older technology, or is it from a large coin hopper?  Will I need to replace it with an optical counter?
By the way I found a sticker on the converted hopper that says Caesar's $25 token on it.
  I have another problem with what I believe is the electric handle lockout lever making noise as the reels spin and clicking loudly as the reels stop. Is this due to weak spring or possibly the electromagnet on the device? It also makes a rattling sometimes when you play a single credit. Or should I move this topic to another post?  Thanks a million for the help, and please keep it coming.

[knagl]

Also this hopper doesn't have a coin optic, it has a mechanically operated counter with a roller that lifts as each coin passes under it. Is that just older technology, or is it from a large coin hopper?  Will I need to replace it with an optical counter?

Let's double-check that you in fact don't have an optic.  After some slot cheats figured out how to "blind" the optic to make the games pay out extra coins, they moved the location of the optic further away from the front of the machine and used a metal lever to trip the optic, with coins tripping the metal lever.  Follow that "mechanically operated" switch and see if there isn't an optic hiding somewhere else on the hopper.  If not, a picture of your "new" hopper may be helpful.

[Magicslots]

Darn you guys are good! Here are a couple of pics of the counter. I could find no optic but it apperars to be a magnetic field counter similar to the converted contrapion.
3- wires come of off it, green to ground and yellow and red to the connector block
Is there a part number on the  quarter wheel I can check on the hopper and do I have to remove the  coin bucket to find it?

[StatFreak]

Actually, that is the optic. It's very difficult to see the two plastic optic lenses because they are small and coated so that they look almost black, but they are there.

  I have another problem with what I believe is the electric handle lockout lever making noise as the reels spin and clicking loudly as the reels stop. Is this due to weak spring or possibly the electromagnet on the device? It also makes a rattling sometimes when you play a single credit. Or should I move this topic to another post?  Thanks a million for the help, and please keep it coming.

That relay is supposed to click as each reel stops. It was IGT's el-cheapo way of producing pseudo-mechanical stop sounds. It shouldn't rattle, however.

[jay]

A $ 25 token is much larger than a 25c coin.
Its a bit hard to tell from the following pics but this looks to be about the size of a $1.00 coin.

Here is a web link to the Vegas Chip Museum.
http://www.oldvegaschips.com/caesars9.htm
You would think they would archive the dimensions.....

So I think your synopsis that the wheel is wrong (at least for quarters) is accurate.

Perhaps you can hit the bank and get some dollar coins tomorrow.

[Magicslots]

  The $25.00 token wheel is on the converted hopper. The regular one I am working on has a 14 pt pinwheel, which according to the S+ manual I downloaded from this site    should be for nickels, but the shelf wheel as best as i can tell is for quarters.  the coins pick up, but at normal speed they bind a little and end up under the hopper knife.  so unless there is a jerry-rig around this, I am gonna need a 15 count pinwhell to prevent jams. 
And all along I thought I was getting a great deal....Caveat Emptor...
  Anyways, I am learning a lot about these machines, which I would not have done If I had bought a fully functional quarter slot in the first place. Oh well I love a challenge

[jay]

Or use nickles......

[stayouttadabunker]

I saw on on fleabay for sale

[stayouttadabunker]

here's a quarter hopper for sale on fleabay>>>>

All you have to do is get a quarter pinwheel!


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