Help - can't change hopper and other limits

[poppo]

This a Double Diamond Deluxe game set using a SS4245 and a SP1271.

1. The PSR for the SP1271 says pages 7-1 to 7-3 set the hopper limit, lower jackpot limit and credit limit. When I go to those pages, 1000 is displayed, but none of the numbers are flashing and none of the buttons have any effect. What am I doing wrong?

BTW, BV is enabled as well as denomination ($.25).

[stayouttadabunker]

Turn the reset key to enable the "cursor" - which will be a flashing number.
Each time you turn the reset key - the "cursor" will move from right-to-left.
Then press the "SPIN" button to change the number. >>>


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[poppo]

Turn the reset key to enable the "cursor" - which will be a flashing number.
Each time you turn the reset key - the "cursor" will move.
Then press the "SPIN" button to change the number.

No, that did not work either. But I found the problem (I guess). Apparently jackpot to credit needs to be enabled first and in order for that to be enabled, you have to turn on 'MISER' mode with the SET chip. Once I did that, I was able to change the jackpot to credits and the limit amounts. Now I remember why I wanted to do the MPU and eeprom swap.  Besides for all of the settings that need to be turned on with the SET, the SP1271 works different than the SP873 as far as what buttons do what when changing setting.

If that was not the way to do it, then I am stumped because jackpot to credit was not 'enabled' (i.e. the spin button was not lit) and no buttons nor the reset key had any affect on the limits.

[stayouttadabunker]

Oh...I was only going by what you said: >>>

 "...none of the buttons have any effect. What am I doing ...."  

You didn't say you tried the reset key. 

[poppo]

Oh...I was only going by what you said: >>>

 "...none of the buttons have any effect. What am I doing ...." 

You didn't say you tried the reset key. 

True. But none of the digits were flashing, so I knew that I would not be able to change them (but I did try the key anyway). When it's working right, even before using the reset key, the last digit is flashing and the spin button is lit. I had nothing.

[knagl]

As a general reminder, too, there must be zero credits on the machine to make changes like this.

[poppo]

As a general reminder, too, there must be zero credits on the machine to make changes like this.

hmmm.... Good point. I knew that, but to be honest, I don't recall if it had any when I tried. I don;t think it did, but it may have had a few. It would help to know it the jackpot to credit option actually needed to be enabled. I would have wanted it set that way anyway, but just curiuous if that was what was stopping me from changing the limits.

[knagl]

It may have been the issue -- I've never had to enable jackpot to credit on any of my S+ machines to change limits.  I've forgotten more than once, too, to clear out credits before trying to change settings.

[stayouttadabunker]

I think you're right knagl...if there was credits on it -
the option would have been "locked out" so to speak.

When screwing uh...tinkering around, I forget that I have credits on it sometimes...
Hey! I'm only human! 

[poppo]

The more I think about it, the more I think you may be right. I had just gotten done getting the BV enabled and know I ran a few bills through it. I thought I had played them out though. But maybe not. Oddly though, I don't remember playing any credits between then and when I got it working. I do know that I somehow cleared credits on my Haywire when messing with a SET chip. I think I had changed denominations and it cleared the credits. So maybe while I was messing around with jackpot to credits, it somehow cleared them. 

[StatFreak]

You shouldn't have had to enable jackpot to credits to change the group 7 values, so it sounds like you did have credits the first time out. Using a SET chip would clear your credits. If you're planning to use the jackpot to credits option, you'll need to install a second jackpot reset switch.

[poppo]

You shouldn't have had to enable jackpot to credits to change the group 7 values, so it sounds like you did have credits the first time out. Using a SET chip would clear your credits. If you're planning to use the jackpot to credits option, you'll need to install a second jackpot reset switch.

Yeah, that is sounding like what happened. I probably had a credit left after running a bill though the BV to test it and playing one bet max. Then when i could not change the limit values, I thought it might be related to the jackpot to credit setting. But I could not change that either because the PSR said that MISER had to be turned on to enable jackpot to credit, and that required the SET chip again. So using the SET chip must have cleared any credits and made it look like it had fixed the problem. I guess I'll go back in again and turn off MISER and jackpot to credit. I didn't know about the second key thing. I have not played around with changing settings for a couple of years, so it's like doing it for the first time again.

It's easy to get frustrated and start missing things. Like when I first went to enable the BV (using a SET090) the setting would not stick. I then tried a SET026 which did work, but the BV light still would not turn on or accept bills. The self test page showed it enabled. I put the SET090 back in and it was back to being disabled. It took me a while to figure out that I had not set a denomination. Once I did that, the settings stayed. But I was getting irritated and not paying attention to detail (like the credits).  

<edit> I went back with a clear head and put things back the way they were and after making sure there were no credits, I was indeed able to change the limits. I had forgotten to set the BV limit, so I needed to go back in anyway. Thanks again to all for getting me back on track.