SAS Host controller DLL. What do you want to see?

[stayouttadabunker]

Thanks for the PE+ motherboard pic location Next Gaming!

I actually have an PE+ on my desktop I can hook up
to in the morning after I construct another harness.
My only question is:
Where exactly would these 2 (highlighted with black arrows) wires be coming from?
I think one is V+ and the other is a ground.


TZ,
I have the Test App working on my s2000 now...
I am trying it on the PE+ and S+ in about 10 hours from now.

[next_gaming]

Hello

When i used the interface i put 12vdc external power supply for the board , this have a 7805 Ic, however you can take the suplly voltage from machine.

Next G

[stayouttadabunker]

Hey guys!
This is gonna be SO bloody awesome!!!!
We've never been to really communicate with our home machines
other than my CDS DCU - which only read basic outputs from the S+ machine.

The small SAS interface board is much more readily available here in the US,
as many vendors don't even know what they are or what these are capable of.
The only problem is...I'd wish they'd stop throwing these old boards out into the garbage cans!!!!


I found several of these interface boards in my machines
and are all probably in good working order!

[next_gaming]

Hi

I see this board so many times on NLG and nobody ask properly about that, now can help a good purposses
now let´s the machine to talk us.

Next G

[Forrhouse]

NextG.   Thanks for all the great info. Now if we could find the schematics to that board.

@ Bunker.  Which CDS do you have, reel or video.? It would be nice to get both types working, after everything else is finished.
Same with the WMS 401/405 Dotmation games.

E~

[Foster]

I am wondering about the player tracking stuff.

Oh did I open another can of worms?

[knagl]

What is the max number all of you would estimate for hobby usage?

For whatever it's worth, when all is said and done, I'll have 10 machines in my game room that I'd ideally like to have networked together to be able to send credits to them and/or have a working basic TITO system (for the machines that support TITO).

Thanks again for your continued work on this -- it's really great. 

[AndyP]

NextG.   Thanks for all the great info. Now if we could find the schematics to that board.

@ Bunker.  Which CDS do you have, reel or video.? It would be nice to get both types working, after everything else is finished.
Same with the WMS 401/405 Dotmation games.

E~

I may have the schematics for that one (or something very similar). Will post up a PDF when I get into the office.

I am wondering about the player tracking stuff.

Oh did I open another can of worms?

Lol, player tracking is easy. Just roll your own, plenty of smart card technology now that is easy for hobby. When you get a card in, you read turnover meter, when card is removed read the turnover meter again. The delta is the money spent during that session of play. Then you can make fun equations to turn money spend into bonus dollars!

[AndyP]

What is the max number all of you would estimate for hobby usage?

For whatever it's worth, when all is said and done, I'll have 10 machines in my game room that I'd ideally like to have networked together to be able to send credits to them and/or have a working basic TITO system (for the machines that support TITO).

Thanks again for your continued work on this -- it's really great. 

Decided not to put a limit on it. Its not really commercially viable to poll via the serial port anyway. I will integrate it to work with the standard hardware (PCI 4 port fibre optic card) we supply to casino's.

[stayouttadabunker]

Decided not to put a limit on it. Its not really commercially viable to poll via the serial port anyway.
I will integrate it to work with the standard hardware (PCI 4 port fibre optic card) we supply to casino's.

I totally agree with this - there's not too many people nowadays
with a DB9 serial port on the back of their computers! lol


Forrhouse,
A few years ago I hooked up a Casino Data Systems ProLink Progressive Controller
between "Frankenstein", a few S+'s and my desktop PC.
I remember making a short video clip but I'm sure it's long been erased from my youtube accounts.
Basically the DCU collected coins-in data from the S+ motherboard's J12 4-pin header.
Of course, because it's a Progressive controller, it would notify me of a Jackpot or hand-pay.
I never hit the jackpot though...

You made me take a look at it again this morning and I've noticed
several serial ports on the back for various inputs and outputs...
Hmm...

[Forrhouse]

Hi Bunker.Thanks for the info.  Let me know what you find out. I have 2 of those pro links. I don't know what cabling is needed though.
It would be cool to get those going one of these days.
Thanks,
Eric

[stayouttadabunker]

Well,
I finished constructing the harness and have it hooked up to
an S+ motherboard onto the J4 header.
I'm wondering...is one or both of the two colored (red & green) LEDs on the left side
of the interface supposed to be on when powered up?

I have a 12vdc 1A power supply running the positive 12v wire to pin#2
and the GND wire to pin#4 on the interface board.

I would have thought that the LEDs would signify data signals TX & RX to me?

O0ps! I think I have to throw in a SET chip and enable the SAS settings in the options....  

[jdkmunch]

Live from the Explorer of the Seas!!   I'm just pulling up into Puerto Rico  -  3rd day of my cruise.      I'm reading this thread with great excitement - 
Are all communications in a casino done over a fiber network? 

I love the casino on the ship -  a lot of s2000 machines, I game plus and wms blue birds.   

[jdkmunch]

Decided not to put a limit on it. Its not really commercially viable to poll via the serial port anyway.
I will integrate it to work with the standard hardware (PCI 4 port fibre optic card) we supply to casino's.

I totally agree with this - there's not too many people nowadays
with a DB9 serial port on the back of their computers! lol


Forrhouse,
A few years ago I hooked up a Casino Data Systems ProLink Progressive Controller
between "Frankenstein", a few S+'s and my desktop PC.
I remember making a short video clip but I'm sure it's long been erased from my youtube accounts.
Basically the DCU collected coins-in data from the S+ motherboard's J12 4-pin header.
Of course, because it's a Progressive controller, it would notify me of a Jackpot or hand-pay.
I never hit the jackpot though...

You made me take a look at it again this morning and I've noticed
several serial ports on the back for various inputs and outputs...
Hmm...

I remember this video!

[stayouttadabunker]

Live from the Explorer of the Seas!!   I'm just pulling up into Puerto Rico  -  3rd day of my cruise.      I'm reading this thread with great excitement -  
Are all communications in a casino done over a fiber network?  

I love the casino on the ship -  a lot of s2000 machines, I game plus and wms blue birds.  

lol...Knowing you Munch - you looked at what machines they had on board before you booked it!  

Watch out for them pirates!! 

[stayouttadabunker]

Okay Houston,
I've enabled SAS via a SET088 chip which corresponds with installed SP1271 chip
and SS4671 90% Double Cherry Bar 3CM on my S+ "Frankenstein".

The  ASSY NO 7542200 Interface board is fully connected with with a harness going to
the J4 header on the motherboard.

Another harness is running from J2 on the Interface back to my PC's serial Com 1 port.

That serial port is enabled in my XP's Device Manager - We have a Red light on DS1 on the Interface!!!!!!
I have the DS1 Red light flashing uncontrollably...

It appears I'm sending "Legacy Bonus" credits to the machine but
I'm NOT getting a response from the machine's MPU.


Now how do I get the "DS2" green LED to light up?
Should it be?
I've hit "Initialize" and am kinda stuck now.
Below is a screen shot of my serial port's settings.
Should I change anything?
I'm thinking the "Flow Control" should be set to "Xon/Xoff" or "Hardware"?
Maybe slow down the Bits Per Second?

[jay]

Mark,

I am getting excited.
Do you have the uart installed in the motherboard as documented here.
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10584.msg92282#msg92282

[jdkmunch]

I wonder how the casino links their machines together.  I read about the sentinel - I'm guessing this is like a hub for a bank of machines.

[stayouttadabunker]

Munch,
I'm pretty sure it's just like the pamphlet AndyP attached to one of his posts previously.
Huge bloody networking multi-fiber optic hubs.
("multi-fiber" sounds like long-grained rice....lol)


Jay,
It seems that this 10MHz MPU is fully occupied...
However, the link you supplied between Ozzy and Poppo did not indicate the chip numbers or anything.
Also, there a variations of the S+ MPU which have different socket numbering.
All they spoke of is socket U18....maybe different from mine?
Regardless, all the sockets on my MPU are filled.

I read that thread you pointed me to but it seems to me that the "Duart" chip should be installed in socket U27?
Right next to it however is the U18 socket.
The chip in it is labeled as: 8CAHH5K  SN74HC126N

The chip in the U27 socket labeled as the "Duart" socket has this on it: SCN2681AC1N28  KUA2054  9901hH

I just went back to check on the Interface board.
Apparently the Red Led doesn't light up now like it was doing earlier.  
I'm highly suspecting a mistake in the drawing NEXT GAMING made up?
I've double checked my harness and followed his drawing exactly in the wiring harness.

Attaching two pictures to this post. >>>

[AndyP]

Okay Houston,
I've enabled SAS via a SET088 chip which corresponds with installed SP1271 chip
and SS4671 90% Double Cherry Bar 3CM on my S+ "Frankenstein".

The  ASSY NO 7542200 Interface board is fully connected with with a harness going to
the J4 header on the motherboard.

Another harness is running from J2 on the Interface back to my PC's serial Com 1 port.

That serial port is enabled in my XP's Device Manager - We have a Red light on DS1 on the Interface!!!!!!
I have the DS1 Red light flashing uncontrollably...

It appears I'm sending "Legacy Bonus" credits to the machine but
I'm NOT getting a response from the machine's MPU.


Now how do I get the "DS2" green LED to light up?
Should it be?
I've hit "Initialize" and am kinda stuck now.
Below is a screen shot of my serial port's settings.
Should I change anything?
I'm thinking the "Flow Control" should be set to "Xon/Xoff" or "Hardware"?
Maybe slow down the Bits Per Second?

Does not matter what you set the default comms port parameters to, because the DLL explicity sets all paramters before it opens the port.

Forget the legacy bonus poll for now. The DLL will be polling you machine for exceptions in the backround, so you should receive door open and closed exceptions for example.

Make sure you get the SAS poll address correct. Not sure how this is configured in the machine.

[AndyP]

BTW. I have now completed the all the messages in the montana spec. Just need to add the mappings into the test app then I will put up a new version.

I have looked at the ticket in part of TITO, and have a rough idea how it works. I will mock something up in the test app and see how we go.

[jdkmunch]

I have looked at the ticket in part of TITO, and have a rough idea how it works. I will mock something up in the test app and see how we go.

Thanks Andy  - 

 I think the easiest thing to start would be to watch how the machine responds when a printed ticked goes into the BV.   This is where I got confused a few posts back.  If the machine throws any code at all over to your dll when a ticket is inserted you should be able to respond with a hard wired legacy bonus amount.   

Simple and effective  (If the machine talks when a ticket is entered that is )

Then more complicated things can occur like actually storing the amounts and validating tickets and such.     

[AndyP]

I have looked at the ticket in part of TITO, and have a rough idea how it works. I will mock something up in the test app and see how we go.

Thanks Andy  - 

 I think the easiest thing to start would be to watch how the machine responds when a printed ticked goes into the BV.   This is where I got confused a few posts back.  If the machine throws any code at all over to your dll when a ticket is inserted you should be able to respond with a hard wired legacy bonus amount.   

Simple and effective  (If the machine talks when a ticket is entered that is )

Then more complicated things can occur like actually storing the amounts and validating tickets and such.     

The way it works is, ticket goes in, machine generates and exception (67 i think). When the exception is received you poll the machine for ticket data, then you poll again to say ticket is valid.

I will just add a couple of buttons that sends validation data back regardless of whats on the ticket. When someone has time later they can hook it into a database backend.

[Tilt]

Andy,

This is really exciting stuff.  I can't wait to get my new older laptop with a real serial port so I can check it out.  Thanks for all your hard work on this! 

[jdkmunch]

Wow TahNKS!!

You made my vacation!!!

Drunk at senior frogs... Will post sober tomorrow