SAS Host controller DLL. What do you want to see?

[poppo]

Please be sure to note any that you come across that do support it. And if it's 10mhz or 16mhz. Maybe none of the 10mhz ones do.

Check out the list:
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=68.0

I've only done SP's 1000 and above (I ran out of time to do the others today).  If you do a "Find" (Crtl + F) on that page for the word "Bonusing" it will highlight the SPs that support it (although a few PSRs made a point of saying that SAS Bonusing was NOT supported, so I made a point of posting that information if it was available).

I'll go through the rest of the PSRs and update the rest of the list by next week.

I still believe that EFT would be the way to go, and hopefully we can graduate to that at some point.


Does anyone have any information about SAS Bonusing and/or EFT ability for the PE+?

Thanks and +K for your work. It does look like most SPs that support it are for 16mhz boards, or oddball game types. 

I am now believing that EFT is the way to go if possible on ther S+.

However, I also wish some of the other features would work like getting the meter readings. Maybe even do some calculations to see what your current actual percentage and hit ratios are.

[CaptainHappy]

Warning!!!

Don't add several thousand credits if your hopper limit is set high and you are already near your credit limit .  
2000 coins takes a lot of hopper refills.  

 

Sure sounds like something that I might do by mistake!!!

CH

[Foster]

I have made a permanent version of Poppo's Schematic without pull up resistors.
It works properly.

I am powering it from the S+ J9 connector by using a 7805 +5V voltage regulator.
You will have to tie J4 Pin 2 GND to J9 Pin 1 GND, if you decide to power it from the S+.

[stayouttadabunker]

I have made a permanent version of Poppo's Schematic without pull up resistors.
It works properly.

I am powering it from the S+ J9 connector by using a 7805 +5V voltage regulator.
You will have to tie J4 Pin 2 GND to J9 Pin 1 GND, if you decide to power it from the S+.

That's great Foster!
Can you revise the drawing so we can see how it's wired up?

[poppo]

Can you revise the drawing so we can see how it's wired up?

I'll bet it's not connected to J9 pin 3 

[stayouttadabunker]

Can you revise the drawing so we can see how it's wired up?

I'll bet it's not connected to J9 pin 3 

shh!!!      

[AndyP]

Would it be possible to add a acknowledge to a cashout request to clear credits from machine?

Ian

Yup. I had an issue where i needed to ack a cashout, will sort that one out soon.

[Foster]

S+ DCS (TTL) to RS232 Interface Schematic

Use a female RS232 connector aned it will plug right into com port or usb to serial port adapter

Modified as suggested by poppo to add filter caps for power.

Also U2 can be a 74HC04 or 74HC14. I have not looked up the differeneces between them.

[poppo]

S+ DCS (TTL) to RS232 Interface Schematic

Better artwork than mine.   

As I noted, I am not using the hex inverters, but it certainly can't hurt, and may make things more reliable. I would probably add some filter caps on the voltage regulator though since the supply voltage from J9 is not very clean.

[Foster]

Schematic modified

  for Poppo

TinyCAD works wonders once you get used to it.

[Forrhouse]

Foster and Poppo.  Nice job!  What would it take to add a fiber connection parallel to the DB-9 connector to allow for simultaneous signal output in both of these formats?   This would make it an all around board allowing the possibility of daisy chaining.
Thanks,
Eric

[knagl]

possibility of daisy chaining.

Something that's got to be resolved, and correct me if I'm wrong anyone, but right now the only way to add credits is via the Legacy Bonusing feature, and at least on an S+, the SAS address must be set to 001 in order for SAS Bonusing to work.  If the machines are chained togehter and are all set to an address of 001, there's gonna be issues.

[poppo]

Foster and Poppo.  Nice job!  What would it take to add a fiber connection parallel to the DB-9 connector to allow for simultaneous signal output in both of these formats?   This would make it an all around board allowing the possibility of daisy chaining.
Thanks,
Eric

What would not be too difficult is to use RS232 to the first machine, then use fiber as the daisy chain. I am studying the fiber schematics. Sending data TO all machines is easy. The problem is how to isolate the returning data. In theory only the machine being addressed will send a reply. And the fiber board has a type or 'OR' gate to allows the signals to mix. I don't see it as a big problem to overcome.

[poppo]

Something that's got to be resolved, and correct me if I'm wrong anyone, but right now the only way to add credits is via the Legacy Bonusing feature, and at least on an S+, the SAS address must be set to 001 in order for SAS Bonusing to work.  If the machines are chained togehter and are all set to an address of 001, there's gonna be issues.

Yes, this is a show stopper for using SAS bonusing. Not only have we determined that very few SP chips support it (on a S+) and nearly all of them are 16mhz chips, but the address needing to be set to 001 will make daisy chaining pretty much useless. EFT will really be the way to go IMO.

[stayouttadabunker]

What happens if you set the machine address to [002], or [007]?
Doesn't it go up to [127]?
I could be wrong but the [001] address just means you can't have it set to [000] to work?

[poppo]

What happens if you set the machine address to [002], or [007]?
Doesn't it go up to [128]?
I could be wrong but the [001] address just means you can't have it set to [000] to work?

I don't know. The PSR made it sound like 001 was the only valid SAS bunusing address

To use the SAS bonus features, the SAS address must be {001}

If other addresses work, it should have said

To use the SAS bonus features, the SAS address must be {001 - 127}

I'll stick my SP1145 back in and try a different address and see what happens..

[poppo]

IMPORTANT!!!!

Ok, I just changed my SAS address to 2 and after setting the test app to address 2, I was indeed able to still add bonusing credits.

However, that still leaves the daisy chain problem and the limited S+ SP chips that support bonusing.  

For a simple setup where someone just has a few S+ machines and only wants to be able to add credits, a RS232 swich box would work. They can be found on e-bay for a few bucks. Just leave them all set to address 001 and just flip the switch to the one you want to add the credits to.

EFT and TITO will probably be more complicated and require the daisy chaining.

[Foster]

Can not parallel fiber to the DB 9
Either add the fiber circuits on the TX/RX lines between the 74HC04/14 and the MAX232, or replace the MAX232 with the fiber components.
When you have 2 logic outputs driving one input you can have strange problems.

The OR gates allow both signals to pass.
Can some one post the S+ DCS to Fiber schematic?

[stayouttadabunker]

Can not parallel fiber to the DB 9
Either add the fiber circuits on the TX/RX lines between the 74HC04/14 and the MAX232, or replace the MAX232 with the fiber components.
When you have 2 logic outputs driving one input you can have strange problems.

The OR gates allow both signals to pass.
Can some one post the S+ DCS to Fiber schematic?

I don't have it at the moment.
Found some other old stuff in the manual>>>

[jdkmunch]

Is this the s+ communication board?

[stayouttadabunker]

It may very well be Munch, but I'd open it up to verify if it's a serial or fiber optics board.
The black plastic cover is hiding the board effectively...lol
Generally, these boards were placed on the back wall of the cabinet over the rear-mounted MPU cages.

Your picture is sideways?
Or is the machine laying down?  

[poppo]

Either add the fiber circuits on the TX/RX lines between the 74HC04/14 and the MAX232, or replace the MAX232 with the fiber components.
When you have 2 logic outputs driving one input you can have strange problems.

The OR gates allow both signals to pass.
Can some one post the S+ DCS to Fiber schematic?

Here is a crude modification to the S+ fiber board that would allow RS232 to the first machine and fiber to the rest (using unmodified fiber boards on the rest). The red and green lines show the data to/from the first machine to the MAX232 (and PC). The blue lines shows the data to/from the next segment of the daisy chain. The 74HC08 allows the 'mixing' of the signals.  

Two fiber lines are used between machines. One for TX and one for RX. Basically the same as 'copper' for RS232, only using fiber.

The second picture is the original schematic. Note it has a 110vac input and generates all of it's voltages from that.

[jdkmunch]

Great - I think it's the comm board then
It has a 5 pin molex in it that when I unplugged
Didn't bother the machine at all. That
Cable runs down to a board on the bottom
Of the machine.

[poppo]

Is this the s+ communication board?

Yes, it appears to be the fiber board. There will be  2 fiber jacks on the top end and 2 on the right side (based on the orientation of your picture)

[AndyP]

It would seem everyone is keen to start using fibre. Its a pretty simple mod so I might add the ability to poll with fibre in the next version too.