PE+ Slant top: DBV200 bill unit issue

[coinopshop]

 Well. I finally solved my coin optic problem and my machine now accepts coins. However, my bill unit is the next issue.

 Here's what I know for certain:

 MODEL DBV-200

 Upon power up, unit runs for a split second. Leds INSIDE the unit are lit. 2 small leds on the side of the unit ( area of power plug ) are lit.
 Bezel leds are NOT lit.
 Cash box is pushed all the way in and seated correctly ( for the optics )
 In self test, the bill acceptor is ENABLED.
 Dip switches on the bill unit are all off, except #10 is ON for the PE+ setting.( I've tried this dip BOTH ways, no difference ).
 I put the DBV in self test ( dip #6 on ) and the unit will run, stop, bezel leds will blink once and repeat .
 Upon having the DBV in self test, I can insert a bill. The bill goes through the acceptor and gets "mashed up" at the transporter which should feed the bill into the stacker.

 That's where I am at. Any ideas ???
 Thanks in advance,
 Dave.

[Jim]

I'm pretty sure,regardless of the IDO settings, upon power on, the unit should go thru two distinct cycles, the first is the cash can /transport cycle, the second is the transport /head cycle.

I'm not sure,(I don't have my 200 pocket cards with me )  I think the IDO setting is a different number switch for the PE+.

the fact that it accepting the bill eliminates power and head operation.
 remove the cash can and see if the optics see that the can is missing, it should cycle continuously (at least 10 times) then it may disable itself.

Jim

[poppo]

It sounds like the transport is dead for some reason. Either broken or not getting power. As Jim mentioned, it should cycle on power up regardless of ID settings. The fact that the bill is getting mashed up also seems to indicate it's not running. If the transport does not run, the BV will never enable. Also as Jim mentioned, pull the cash can and see what happens. The transport should cycle. If not, it's not working.

Also does it actually have the cable that goes between the head and the transport on the right side? If so, make sure it's seated on both ends.

[coinopshop]

 The transport does not cycle, or do anything for that matter. Nothing happens when the cash can is removed.

 Is there a way to test the cash can optics in self test ? Possibly my optics are bad (?).

 And YES. There is a 10 or 12 pin connector between the head and transport ( right side ) which is connected.

[poppo]

I doubt it is the optics. The transport should cycle whenever power is applied. If the optics were bad, it would just think the can was missing and cycle even more times. Sounds like a dead transport. You may try pulling it out, lift the cover on it and see if there is anything jammed in it. You can also try manually moving the gear by the motor and see if things move. Then when power is applied is should cycle to try and 'home' everything. If it still does not do anything, it may be time for a new transport.

[coinopshop]

 Yeap. My transport does absolutely nothin. Is there a "modern-day" replacement for that entire bill unit set-up ? Like a MEI or CashCode or Pyramid acceptor ?

 Dave.

[poppo]

One other question although it's probably not the problem. Does your BV power supply have vent slots in the cover? If someone upgraded the head from a DBV-145 to a DBV-200 and did not upgrade the power supply, it can cause issues.

As far as other altrenatives, I believe the only option is a WBA unit.

[coinopshop]

 Yes. Power Supply has vents ( as seen in your pic ).

 

[poppo]

Unless you have another transport that you can try, you may want to contact one of the vendors here, and one of them will probably have what you need.

[knagl]

Yeap. My transport does absolutely nothin. Is there a "modern-day" replacement for that entire bill unit set-up ? Like a MEI or CashCode or Pyramid acceptor ?

Even if there is (and there may be, as I did see one bank of PE+ machines in a casino setup that had a newer validator in it -- Mars, I think), it would be far cheaper and easier to just get a new DBV-200 setup.  The 200's are inexpensive and will fit perfectly in your machine without any modifications.  Unless you're running a casino where you need the latest bill acceptance and whatnot, I'd highly suggest sticking with a simple replacement of the same validator setup you already have.

[Jim]

Dave -  you do have options,  it all depends on what you feel EXPENSIVE is and what degree of reliability you want.   I would check three other things before you make any decisions. 1, if you have another machine to swap out the black power supply unit.  2, follow the plug from the power supply where it plugs into the harness coming from the machine, then follow that harness to where it plugs into the motherboard. two larger wires are the 115vac, the other four are the comms. lines that talk to the MPU via the motherboard.make sure its plugged in. 3- I believe you can call up the bill validator test on the input /output test screens, you have to follow the instructions on the screen to navigate thru the menu.

I believe you can upgrade (have enough room is primary) to  WBA series unit. I would imagine the package could be had for 125/ 150 dollar range. you will need a WBA 12 programmed for a IDO 022/023 and bezel. power supply, cash can, and a harness for a WBA 12, and the transport housing.  The exception may be the bottom that the cash can slides onto and is a support for it. Some were held in place with screws, others were tach. welded to the metal frame that the transport goes into.so you may need this as well, someone who has this on there machine may confirm this. option one.

option two is to find a good working transport unit that has descent belts on it and won't eat bills too often. and an upgraded 200 head. you will be limited up to all the previous new money and the lastest color types up to the new ten. the new five is do-able but expensive.

Jim   

[poppo]

I think his power supply is working ok since the BV head will take a bill when put in diagostic mode.

[Jim]

thepower supply has two functions, 1, it provides +12vdc to power the 200 head, 2, it contains the interface circuits between the head and the MPU.

take the cover off on and you will see the two distinct circuit boards. you will see the four wires that communicate with the MPU.


Jim

[poppo]

I connected a BV power supply to just 110V (to test a unit outside of the machine) and the transport did cycle, but then it 'timed out' after it cyccled several times because there was no cash can interfaced to it.  However, both cables needed to be connected to the head for it to cycle, so it's possible something is wrong with the power supply.

The transport will cycle on power up, even if there is no MPU installed.

[Buzz]

I'm going to break one of my own rules and post in this thread.

   http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=4226.msg8620#msg8620

   I think this thread started off, the BV takes the bill and wads it up. Could be a bad cash can !! 

[poppo]

   I think this thread started off, the BV takes the bill and wads it up. Could be a bad cash can !! 

But the transport NEVER cycles. Not at power up, and not when the can is removed/replaced.

[Buzz]

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=4226.msg8620#msg8620

[poppo]

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=4226.msg8620#msg8620

But again, the transport NEVER cycles. It should cycle on power up whether it's seated properly or not, and whether there is a cash can in or not. It may cycle several times trying to home everything and find the can, but it WILL cycle. His won't cycle at all. I did suggest he open the lid to make sure it was not jammed up preventing it from cycling. But short of a physical jam, it should always cycle on power up.

[coinopshop]

 Yeap. There's nothing jammed in the transport. I'm starting to believe it is dead.

[coinopshop]

 OK guys. I bought a used transport.

 Upon power up the bill unit runs, the transport runs, then the transport runs as if its "pulsing " 7 or 8 times. The bezel does not light and will not take any bills.

 One thing I did notice is the stacker does not return to it's original position. It stop as if it was trying to push a bill in half way. I can return the stacker to it's original postion if I push on it with my fingers ( so it's not jammed or anything ).

 Any other ideas ? I at least got the thing doing a little more than previously posted.

 Thanks,
  Dave.

[poppo]

 Upon power up the bill unit runs, the transport runs, then the transport runs as if its "pulsing " 7 or 8 times. The bezel does not light and will not take any bills.

That is the classic sign that the transport is not seated in the back properly. Be sure the tabs are engaged like this.

If it is seated properly, check your optics cable on the right side. Repeated cycling is the unit trying to home the cash can.

[coinopshop]

 Upon power up the bill unit runs, the transport runs, then the transport runs as if its "pulsing " 7 or 8 times. The bezel does not light and will not take any bills.

That is the classic sign that the transport is not seated in the back properly. Be sure the tabs are engaged like this.

If it is seated properly, check your optics cable on the right side. Repeated cycling is the unit trying to home the cash can.

Mine looks exactly like your pic. Tabs are engaged for sure.

ADMIN NOTE: Pulled reply out of QUOTE BOX. CH

[poppo]

Make sure you are seating the cash can then. Slam it in there good. Check for broken teeth on the transport and cash can.

On the cash can (removed) you should be able to manually turn the gear and have the stacker go though a complete cycle. It IS possible that it is getting hung up. I had one that would cycle 3/4 of the way before stopping. The stacker tray had popped off of it's guides.

[coinopshop]

 Gear looks fine on bill box. ( Good thinkin though ).

 I took a pic of where the bill box stacker is stopping. I can push it back manually with my finger.

 Getting ready to purchase the wholoe darn thing already. 

 How does the whole thing know when the stacker is back to it's original position ?

[poppo]

The stacker does not look right. Not the part you are holding, but the 'scissor plate'. See how it looks off center by the arrows (too far to the right). A picture of mine on the bottom. It needs to be able to go all the way into the cavity or it will get hung up. The one I had that was like that, I was able to just pop it back into place.