Code 61 will not clear

[CUDA3134]

Picked up a IGT S+ Haywire Deluxe not working. Weird thing is it has a key switch mounted on the top ledge of the backboard two wires on it leading to a plug in connector between the two large multi. wire connectors.i cannot get the code 61 to clear . I have tried two different boards both with new battery,s When I try to clear using clear chip Nothing happens no count down. Set chip works 61-1 ding then set denomination pull board install game chip and 61 appears hold down test button I see a real quick 0 in coins played then black and back to code 61 same for both boards Should I try to clear the board in another S+ ? Any idea of the function of the key switch ? Would have taken a picture but did not have camera at time . Thanks

[Jim]

you can unplug and remove that switch, it serves no purpose for home use.  your problem sounds like the E-squared eeprom on the mother board is bad.

However I am a little confused about your post.

the set chip is not used to clear a 61 code, the set chip is used to set the bill acceptor denomination.

the clear chip is placed in the SP chip socket, when you power up you should get a 0 in the winner paid then press the white test button to start the clear process.

[poppo]

And just to make sure you are tying to clear the 61 properly:

1. Power up game with game chip in and you get a 61
2. Open door and press self test button until it dings (it may not ding) but you should get  a 61_1
3. Close door, make sure it's latched and turn reset (jackpot) key.
4. It should clear and be ready to play.

[CUDA3134]

Where is the E-squared eeprom on the board with the battery or the one that stays in the machine ? I have tried 2 different boards and it will not clear. Install board 61 appears-press white test button- displays go blank other than a 1/2 second flash of a 0 in the far right display-61 comes back- Turn reset key goes into options. Same with both boards. Bill validator does cycle and switch on cash box door wired together.

[poppo]

So you never get a 61_1 after pressing the selt test?

The eeprom is on the motherboard (the one that stays wit the machine). But usually you will get a 65_0 if it goes bad.

[CUDA3134]

The only time I ever got a 61-1 was after trying a clear ( no 61-1 ) followed by a set chip  then I got a 61-1 .put in game chip 61 no 61-1. You can try to clear it all day long and it will never clear.Will never spin reels and reset.I did get a 65-2 when I put that board in to another machine.

[poppo]

The only time I ever got a 61-1 was after trying a clear ( no 61-1 ) followed by a set chip  then I got a 61-1 .put in game chip 61 no 61-1. You can try to clear it all day long and it will never clear.Will never spin reels and reset.I did get a 65-2 when I put that board in to another machine.

I wonder if you used an incompatible SET chip and it honked up the data. Might try the clear again and see if you can get a 61 and then 61_1 again. Then try to clear that BEFORE trying a set chip.

I would also pull the CMOS out and then plug it back in. That will force the CMOS to lose it's memory and cause the CPU to try and copy the EEPROM data back. This will force a 61, but it may be more recoverable.

[CUDA3134]

It was a set 15 -I will try your suggestion tonight. The slot is at my mothers as I have no room left here . thanks

[knagl]

When I try to clear using clear chip Nothing happens no count down.

This part bothers me.  Exactly, step by step, what are you doing with the clear chip?

Also, at this point, don't mess with the SET chip yet.  Your game should work without a SET chip (it's only needed for the bill validator), and it's just serving to confuse the issue.  Let's start by getting the game working, then we can add the SET chip into the mix.

[CUDA3134]

 no power to machine ,remove board ,remove game, chip ,insert clear chip, notch correct , no bent or misaligned legs, install board,power up game wait 30seconds ,press white test button, NO Response, no 0 in coin played,no 9-0, no count down no nothing,                         I have used this clear  chip on other games without issue .I have three  other S + , I  own 15 working machines. I traced the two wires all the way from the test button to the back board . I have plugged in and out the connectors looked for bent pins, checked wires to door optics,checked battery voltage on both boards at back traces...  Power down game ,remove board,remove clear,install game prom, install board, power up, get code 61. press test button,all displays blank other than a 1/2 second flash of a  0 in coins played. Either the clear chip went to hell, or something is bad or corrupted in this machine. If I remove the cmos will that erase everything. like removing the Dallas Battery on a Franco ?

[poppo]

If I remove the cmos will that erase everything. like removing the Dallas Battery on a Franco ?

A clear chip erases both the EEPROM and the CMOS. The EEPROM is what contains the main copy of the critical settings. The CMOS just contains a copy along with meter readings between EEPROM writes. Pulling th CMOS is the same as doing half of a clear. When the machine powers up and sees that the CMOS does not match the EEPROM, it will throw up a 61 error. Pressing the self test button to get the 61_1 is the MPU re-copying the EEPROM data back to the CMOS. It is possible your EEPROM is bad or the CMOS is corrupt. Pulling the CMOS won't hurt. It's just worth a try to see if it will force a re-write that may get you past the 61.

BTW, if you try to do a clear of this MPU in another machione, you will erase all of the settings on that machine. Also if the game chip is different enough, it may also overwrite the EEPROM on the other machine requiring it to have to be set up again.  It would be better to try a known working MPU in this machine if you have one.

[CUDA3134]

where exactly is the EEPROM ? One of the MPU was from a Working Double Diamond Deluxe the other was the one the  came from the haywire Deluxe. I do not think I have another type 21 game, Just the DDD a Haywire Double and a Bullseye .

[poppo]

where exactly is the EEPROM ?

The EEPROM in on the motherboard. It's soldered in. But if you replace it, best to put in a socket.

It's a 24C04.
http://cgi.ebay.com/10-pcs-AT24C04-24C04-EEPROM-DIP-8-New-/250737704708

[CUDA3134]

Is that a common NTE CHIP NUMBER ? or  where can IO get one ? Thanks Will be away for a couple of hours

[CUDA3134]

Sorry did not see the e-bay link

[poppo]

Is that a common NTE CHIP NUMBER ? or  where can IO get one ? Thanks Will be away for a couple of hours

There is a link above, but if you PM me an address, I'll just mail you one for free.

[CUDA3134]

realized I never told the ending .Turns out the clear chip I was using was bad. Found out after replacing the Eprom.

[easternpinman]

This is for POPPO

If I change the eeprom  AT24C04  with a new one (or  a used one cleared )  can I get out the 61 loop  ,,,without clear chip ?

where exactly is the EEPROM ?

The EEPROM in on the motherboard. It's soldered in. But if you replace it, best to put in a socket.

It's a 24C04.
http://cgi.ebay.com/10-pcs-AT24C04-24C04-EEPROM-DIP-8-New-/250737704708

[poppo]

This is for POPPO

If I change the eeprom  AT24C04  with a new one (or  a used one cleared )  can I get out the 61 loop  ,,,without clear chip ?

I am 99.99% sure you would. Just be sure to also pull the CMOS to have it lose it's memory.

Of course if on is going to go through the trouble of replacing the EEPROM (unless they already had one handy) procuring a clear chip would be the easier route.