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« on: September 07, 2011, 01:20:56 AM »
Hello to any one willing to help! I have an old and rare S+ and I need to enable the ba after a board swap. The game chip is labeled SS055 Mech RS3050. Any help would be appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2011, 01:33:07 AM »
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Something doesn't sound right. An S+ doesn't have an RS chip. An S+ would use an SP (SP055) and an SS chip (SS3050).
An S Slot would use an RS chip but wouldn't have an SS chip (or an SP). It also probably wouldn't have a BV.

There has to be an SP chip with a number that low, but I've never seen one. I also don't have any info on the SS3050. I do have the PAR for SS3051.

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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2011, 01:36:38 AM »
Is the Bill Acceptor hanging on the out side?
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2011, 01:38:46 AM »
Could be an S just not sure. It looks like an S+ board. I will include a picture of the board.

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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2011, 01:40:45 AM »
Here is the front. It's not your average S+...


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That is a Big Bertha!

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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2011, 01:41:29 AM »
That's an S+ board with a couple of missing chips.

Please post pictures of the slot, inside and out, and a full (uncut) picture of the MPU board.
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2011, 01:43:20 AM »
Well I don't know about missing chips. It is operational as it is now. And before the board swap the ba did work... no chips have been left off and I will get another picture of the board just a minute.
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2011, 01:47:39 AM »
Whoa! That's a Big Bertha. It's also on a casino carpet and appears to be in a casino.

That certainly appears to be an S-slot RS chip inserted into an S+ board. I've never seen that done. Scratch Head

Can anyone else jump in here?


<ADD> CH CaptainHappy are you rotating the image?
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2011, 01:48:12 AM »
Quote from: StatFreak on September 07, 2011, 01:41:29 AM
That's an S+ board with a couple of missing chips.

Is it possible a S+ board will work with a S chip? Has anyone ever tried?
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2011, 01:50:33 AM »
Quote from: poppo on September 07, 2011, 01:48:12 AM
Quote from: StatFreak on September 07, 2011, 01:41:29 AM
That's an S+ board with a couple of missing chips.

Is it possible a S+ board will work with a S chip? Has anyone ever tried?

My point exactly. I'm half tempted to go in the other room and try it. stir the pot / get cooking
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2011, 01:50:50 AM »
Quote from: StatFreak on September 07, 2011, 01:47:39 AM
Whoa! That's a Big Bertha. It's also on a casino carpet and appears to be in a casino.

That certainly appears to be an S-slot RS chip inserted into an S+ board. I've never seen that done. Scratch Head

Can anyone else jump in here?

I turned the machine right side up, so I am too tired to do anything else!!! Silly Me! Crazy Cry Laughing

Did you run a set chip to try to enable the BV?

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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2011, 01:52:13 AM »
Well like I said it is operational. here is a second picture of the board and the main door open.

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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2011, 01:53:10 AM »
CH CaptainHappy  before he gets out a SET chip, it might be a good idea to figure out how this thing is running. Despite its size, it appears to have one of those Seven Systems validators that Bunker spent dozens of posts on a while ago. Link to follow...

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It's that really long thread that's still active.
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=13519.msg116274#msg116274
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=13519.msg116839#msg116839

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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2011, 01:53:43 AM »
I tried 15 as I had it but it was a no go. Double checked that the chip was good and it does still work in your everyday S+.
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2011, 01:55:35 AM »
The BA is a nightmare... but it does accept... most of the time. Or well it did before the board swap.
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2011, 02:00:58 AM »
Quote from: Mirage_Chaser on September 07, 2011, 01:53:43 AM
I tried 15 as I had it but it was a no go. Double checked that the chip was good and it does still work in your everyday S+.

Good, I was asking an obvious question of course, but you never know... I wonder if anyone here knows if a different set chip would be needed here? I know that there are chips below set15...

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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2011, 02:02:26 AM »
When you swapped the board, was it with the same game? Because at least on a S+ the BV should stay enabled if the game does not change. I wonder if this is a stand alone type of BV and there is just something else wrong. Is the BV rejecting bills or not taking them at all?
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2011, 02:04:12 AM »
Out of curiosity, why did you swap the board?

Bunker might be able to help with that Seven Systems validator.


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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2011, 02:04:52 AM »
It is best to double check I am not innocent of "over teching"
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2011, 02:07:47 AM »
The BA is unplugged now but when plugged in it accepts and gives no credit. No it is not from the same game as I only have one giant machine, but it is from another 4 reel game but that did not have a BA. Swapped the board because of a short in the backplane. I pulled it out to repair. And when I put it back the board wouldn't boot. Swapped the board and it came up.
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2011, 02:11:05 AM »
Does anyone besides Bunker know about these Sevens Systems validators? Are they activated with a SET chip?

If so, then the trick will be to figure out what SET chip was intended to work with that RS chip. Since it has "055" printed on it, it might require the same SET chip that an SP055 would have needed, whatever that would be. ?? Scratch Head

Just a guess, of course.


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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2011, 02:14:24 AM »
I am thinking that it does need to be enabled but I am not certain. Also it is not a Sevens system ba I don't think. It is a cashcode ba.
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2011, 02:16:41 AM »
Quote from: Mirage_Chaser on September 07, 2011, 02:07:47 AM
The BA is unplugged now but when plugged in it accepts and gives no credit. No it is not from the same game as I only have one giant machine, but it is from another 4 reel game but that did not have a BA. Swapped the board because of a short in the backplane. I pulled it out to repair. And when I put it back the board wouldn't boot. Swapped the board and it came up.

I would look for something unplugged. Since it's taking bills, it sounds like its some sort of add on that is not enabled with a set chip. Just guessing of course, but if the motherboard was replaced, that means a lot of cables were were removed.

OTOH, if the motherboard was replaced, that means the EEPROM was replaced, and thus the BV may not be enabled any more (meaning it may require some special set chip).

<edit> when you used the set chip, did you set a denomination too?
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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2011, 02:21:24 AM »
Quote from: Mirage_Chaser on September 07, 2011, 02:14:24 AM
I am thinking that it does need to be enabled but I am not certain. Also it is not a Sevens system ba I don't think. It is a cashcode ba.


Might have to wait and see if anyone here knows about the Cashcode.

There was a thread on the old site that was ported over before the site blew up. The poster mentioned using one with an S+, but never posted back as to how it worked.
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=271.0


I think that the current Xavier is the same member, but he hasn't logged on since May.
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2011, 02:23:03 AM »
No working set chip or this would be a very different post. So I couldn't set the ba and couldn't set the denom. Both must be set for the ba to work I believe. It may just be that I need to set the denom. There are some modified cashcodes BA's using the Seven Series BA housing and wiring so I assume that the process for enabling the BA would be the same for both. I did double check for missing connections and didn't find any.


And just a reminder it did work before the swap.

<edit> The ba is a mod, when new it didn't have a ba.
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