Handle not working

[FORDSBS]

I have a 5 reel -9 line S2000. The handle does not work. When I push spin-rebet I hear solenoid click.
Handle will not move. I'm not sure if it did work at any point.
If I get time this week end going to pull out & see if I can find problem.
Any advice what to look for?
THANKS FOR ANY HELP.
Thanks, Ford

[Foster]

How many coins per line?

You have to press your bet one or such to get the solenoid to stay energized long enough for you to pull handle down.
When you press the Spin/repeat bet the solenoid only stays energized for less than a second.
Mine works this way when I press the spin button.
I have been able to pull the handle down during that short time, but no point in doing it.

I have heard IF you have the 10 button deck and the right game chips installed the handle works just like the repeat the bet/spin button does.
and will be released for use if certain conditions are met: I am guessing enough credits to repeat the bet, etc.


When I use the handle to play, I press the Bet One Credit button  2 or 3 times then I pull the handle.
I always play max bet
I only have single line games with 2 or 3 credit max bet.

[FORDSBS]

How many coins per line?

You have to press your bet one or such to get the solenoid to stay energized long enough for you to pull handle down.
When you press the Spin/repeat bet the solenoid only stays energized for less than a second.
Mine works this way when I press the spin button.
I have been able to pull the handle down during that short time, but no point in doing it.

I have heard IF you have the 10 button deck and the right game chips installed the handle works just like the repeat the bet/spin button does.
and will be released for use if certain conditions are met: I am guessing enough credits to repeat the bet, etc.


When I use the handle to play, I press the Bet One Credit button  2 or 3 times then I pull the handle.
I always play max bet
I only have single line games with 2 or 3 credit max bet.

10 coins per line
10 button
90 coin
9 line  x 10
I tried pulling @ all which ways & it does not move.
All combinations & no go.

[PLUNGER BOY]

All of my 5 reel s2000  with ( enhanced boards) You can pull the handle as long as there is credits on the machine. it plays max credits just by pulling the handle

[cowboygames]

I'm guessing it's probably that either the solenoid isn't restracting far enough or something came loose in the mechanism and it's jammed. They're pretty simple units to diagnose once you get it out of there. Just a couple springs, the solenoid and the microswitch set at the end of the handle pull. If you've got your optics bypassed it should be easy to test it with it in your hands

[Foster]

Time to do some input and output test.

4 I/O tests
    1 Input tests
       2 Cabinet Input Test
            The first one you will come to will be slot handle it will trigger the solenoid and let you pull the handle many times
            Once the handle switch closes the 0 on the VFD will change to a 1 and back to 0 as you let the handle back up.

IF that test does not work then try this
go back to 4 and change to 4.2 Output tests

4 I/O tests
  2 Output Tests
     2 Cabinet Output Test
       cycle through until you get to "SLOT HANDLE RELEASE"
         press the spin button solenoid will energize press spin again to turn off

If the solenoid is energizing (in both tests the spin button turns it on or off) and you cant get it to release then you have to get it out and look at how it operates.
I have found it is best to remove the BV completely including the outer chassis to gain access to the handle mechanism (you will need to undo the bolt in the handle and remove the handle, cover, 3 nuts before you can extract the mechanism from the machine. (be careful 1 or 2 nuts are kinda hidden (there are access holes to them) it is also sorta heavy.

[FORDSBS]

Thanks guys.
I was thinking like you Cowboy.
If I find the time this weekend I'll pull it & see what I can find.

[FORDSBS]

Time to do some input and output test.

4 I/O tests
    1 Input tests
       2 Cabinet Input Test
            The first one you will come to will be slot handle it will trigger the solenoid and let you pull the handle many times
            Once the handle switch closes the 0 on the VFD will change to a 1 and back to 0 as you let the handle back up.
Tried, It would move.

IF that test does not work then try this
go back to 4 and change to 4.2 Output tests

4 I/O tests
  2 Output Tests
     2 Cabinet Output Test
       cycle through until you get to "SLOT HANDLE RELEASE"
         press the spin button solenoid will energize press spin again to turn off
It clicks but handle will not move.

If the solenoid is energizing (in both tests the spin button turns it on or off) and you cant get it to release then you have to get it out and look at how it operates.
I have found it is best to remove the BV completely including the outer chassis to gain access to the handle mechanism (you will need to undo the bolt in the handle and remove the handle, cover, 3 nuts before you can extract the mechanism from the machine. (be careful 1 or 2 nuts are kinda hidden (there are access holes to them) it is also sorta heavy.

Thanks. that will be my next move

[Foster]

If it moves in the first test then the solenoid is working.

In the first test did the 0 change to 1 if not the wires could be disconnected.

In the second test did you press the spin button after the display shows "Slot Handle Release"?

Note: 4.1.2 Cabinet Input Tests as soon as you press the spin button and the display changes to "Slot Handle     0" the Solenoid energizes. I made an mistake stating you needed to press the spin button for 4.1.2 cabinet input test, you still need to press it for the 4.2.2 Cabinet Output Tests after you get to item you want to test.

[FORDSBS]

well if it moves then the soleniod is working
did the 0 change to 1 if not the wires could be disconnected.

The handle does not move

[Jim]

you can test the handle by itself,  you don't need power. if you can get your finger to activate the solenoid, push it up and hold it there.

this will allow you to pull on the handle.  sometimes from not being used. the rotating cam is stuck to the orange material that acts as a shock absorber.

on a s2000 it is a little tight, but can be done.  its a 100% mechanical. as long as the plunger is out of the way, the handle can be pulled as many times as you want.  the handle assembly is well constructed, you pulling on it will not harm it, your more apt to do damage to the cabinet before you will hurt that mech.


Jim

[FORDSBS]

I went through my parts a found a ratchet assay. Now I  know where things are.
Looking @ the one I have out maybe I can reach inside & feel my way around.
Hopeful without taking things apart I can feel problem.
If I'm no good @ feeling I'll pull it apart.
It is a simple setup.
It has to be in the solenoid. I think it's no moving finger far enough.
Ford
PS  I pays to hang onto old parts. I'm like a pack rat.
Thanks for all the help.

[FORDSBS]

Does a S2000 take the same solenoid as a S+?
The one I have comes from a S+

[FORDSBS]

  Thanks to all for help.  to all.
I don't know what I moved. I worked blind & moved all parts I could get to.
I must have moved the right thing. All @ once it started working.
I could not see what I was moving.
It beat the heck out of pulling it apart.
Thanks Ford

[StatFreak]

Glad to hear it's working again.

Maybe the solenoid plunger needs lubrication. I've never had to do that, but as long as it's done with the power off and the spray used is not a conductor, it should be okay.

Just a thought.

Stat

[FORDSBS]

Glad to hear it's working again.

Maybe the solenoid plunger needs lubrication. I've never had to do that, but as long as it's done with the power off and the spray used is not a conductor, it should be okay.

Just a thought.

Stat

Going to pull it out. It worked for some time then stopped working.
I reach in & pull finger it will work for a few spins.
I think the spring from solenoid to finger is weak.

[Jim]

before you pull it out,  check the plug connection,  I have seen where one of the wires has been pushed out of the male plug, even though it appears to be interlocked, you will be able to see the wire that is pushed out .

this would cause the condition you described: intermittent operation.

Jim

[FORDSBS]

This was problem. Broken spring

[FORDSBS]

one more

[FORDSBS]

Here's what it should look like.

[FORDSBS]

Can I use an S+ solenoid in a S2000?
They look the same, Don't know about voltage.
Thanks Ford

[FORDSBS]

Can I use an S+ solenoid in a S2000?
They look the same, Don't know about voltage.
Thanks Ford

PROBLEM SOLVED, THEY ARE BOTH 24 V.
THANKS FOR ALL HELP

[Jim]

I have used the S+ solenoid in a S-2000 and had no problems.

The voltages are different,  in an S+ the voltage to the solenoid is 24vAC, there is a full wave bridge rectifier that converts the AC voltage to a DC voltage to operate the coil. thats the hump on the coil (bridge rectifier)

all the voltages in the S-2000 are dc voltages. the voltage supplied to the solenoid is 25 vdc. 

It does work, I have not looked or determined the differences as to how the bridge is affected by a dc voltage being applied to it.

Jim

[stayouttadabunker]

Ah! Good! I'm glad you got it working Fordbsbs!  
So, was it a combination of both a bad solenoid and broken spring that caused this?

[FORDSBS]

Ah! Good! I'm glad you got it working Fordbsbs! 
So, was it a combination of both a bad solenoid and broken spring that caused this?

Spring was broke. Dam roll pins did not come out ( I was afraid of bending things) so I switched the solenoid.
After I switched I realized all I would have had to do was switch plunger.