Battery question

[CYRIL1973]

Hi,

My question is the following one: the original battery was a VL 2330 ( in a Vision series), as it shows a LOW BATTERY warning, I was wondering if I could put a CR2330 instead of a VL 2330.

What is the difference between these two batteries apart from the fact that one is rechargable?

Thanks for any help.

Cyril

[proten]

If you replace a rechargeable battery
with a nonchargeable one it will
leak acid and maybe explode in
your machine

[PLUNGER BOY]

If you replace a rechargeable battery
with a nonchargeable one it will
leak acid and maybe explode in
your machine

[staz]

i just ordered 2 batteries for my s2000 from

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370536557515&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:US:1123


you cant go wrong 3.59 and free shipping.......always good to keep extra batteries on hand.......i would def use a VL 2330 if thats what is in your machine now........ ebay does have them.......

[CYRIL1973]

So nothing but a VL 2330.

Thanks.

[Foster]

CR2354 is for the 1270 or enhanced MPU.

VL2330 must be replaced with a VL 2330

Jim @ Blue Ridge Slots most likely has them or can get them quickly if he happens to be out of stock.
He is one great person.

[Buzz]

I have never owned a Vision machine so I should stay out of this, but my question is, does a Vision have a charging system for the battery ??  If there is no charging system why would you have to use a VL2330 ??

[CYRIL1973]

That's true.
I wish I knew about that.

[Buzz]

That's true.
I wish I knew about that.

I'm sure someone will jump in here and tell us how wrong I am !!!!   

[stayouttadabunker]

My S2000 Vision machine is using a 504 board.
I have a VL2330 battery onboard the MPU.
I have no idea if it's required or not.
I also do not know if the 504 MPU boards have
a trickle charging system.
However, in my honest opinion, why would it NEED it?
It takes very, very little power to hold the memory intact.

As far as I can see - there's no difference between a Vision machine MPU
and a regular S2000 MPU board...they're both 504's.   

[Ron (r273)]

VL 2330 is a 3V., 50mA with vertical leads on bottom. CR 2330 is a 3V., 255-265 mA button battery requiring a holder.
I use the CR2330 and solder in the holder.

See; http://www.mouser.com/catalogviewer.aspx?page=2201&highlight=658-CR2330&catalogculture=en-US&catalog=644

The last row of battery lead drawings are labeled wrong. It should be O, P, Q, R, S, T (not B, C, D, E, F, G).
 
Ron(r273)

[CYRIL1973]

You mean a CR 2330 will fit in a holder on my board?

[stayouttadabunker]

You mean a CR 2330 will fit in a holder on my board?

That is a mod that will work.
It holds 5 times more amps of charge.
The battery is beefier and will last your whole life.

[proten]

But is the battery on a rechargeable circuit?
The VL 2330 is a rechargeable battery and
the CR 2330 not rechargeable .

[ChizzleMonkey]

I always order EXACT part numbers.

[stayouttadabunker]

But is the battery on a rechargeable circuit?
The VL 2330 is a rechargeable battery and
the CR 2330 not rechargeable .

We don't know yet if the S2000 MPU has a rechargeable circuitry...
Just because there's a rechargeable battery in there doesn't mean the machine requires it.
Both batteries are 3 Volts and that's the main requirement.

However, when in doubt...I do recommend for you buy the VL2330 battery for your machine.
You can't go wrong there since it's the battery that was in there before.

[Ron (r273)]

But is the battery on a rechargeable circuit?
The VL 2330 is a rechargeable battery and
the CR 2330 not rechargeable .

We don't know yet if the S2000 MPU has a rechargeable circuitry...
Just because there's a rechargeable battery in there doesn't mean the machine requires it.
Both batteries are 3 Volts and that's the main requirement.

However, when in doubt...I do recommend for you buy the VL2330 battery for your machine.
You can't go wrong there since it's the battery that was in there before.

Both my Vision and Vision Ready has nonchargeable batteries in 501 Rev A boards.

Ron (r273)

[Ron (r273)]

You mean a CR 2330 will fit in a holder on my board?

For future use, the holder has to match the battery size in mm.

http://www.mouser.com/catalog/catalogUSD/644/2660.pdf

Ron (r273)

[Buzz]

I always order EXACT part numbers.

 

You know that's a great idea !!  I guess we can assume the last Guy that owned your machine felt the same way.  Lord forbid a slot tech. would switch battery's.

I'm going to add to this.  A 3 volt battery is 3 volts no matter what number is stamped on it. Me I started using up all the 3.6 volt battery's I have left from the S+ days.  I have yet to have a machine complane I used the wrong shape battery !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  And I'm starting out .6 volts ahead of the rest of you.

[StatFreak]

Digital circuitry operates at 5VDC so you won't fry the CMOS with anything less. Any battery < 5v and >= 3v will work as a memory backup in a computerized slot machine as long as the machine doesn't recharge the battery when powered on.

Larger batteries with more mAh will last longer because they have more stored energy than an equivalent battery with less energy (fewer mAh), as will a battery with a higher starting voltage (because it will take longer for the batt to reach the circuit's minimal voltage requirement.)

From what Buzz told me about his machines, it's unlikely that the S2000 applies voltage to the battery when turned on, although he doesn't have any Visions. If you want to be certain (aside from checking the schematics), disconnect the battery, power up the machine, and check for DC voltage across the two connection points on the board. If you find >= 3VDC then the circuit is charging the battery (albeit slowly). If there is no voltage, then you're fine.

Even if you do find a charging voltage, you can still use a non-rechargeable battery as long as you install a diode between the battery and the board to block the reverse current.


Stat

[Foster]

The RAM chips in the S2000 only need 2V to maintain the data.
I would stick to a 3V or 3.6 battery voltage.
 

[StatFreak]

The RAM chips in the S2000 only need 2V to maintain the data.
I would stick to a 3V or 3.6 battery voltage.
 

Agreed. They are also the most commonly available voltages. There is no need to push the 5v envelope. I'm simply saying that this debate over specific model numbers with regards to batteries is unnecessary as long as they conform to the needed specs and some precaution or determination is made regarding whether or not a charging voltage is applied when the unit is powered.

If the batt is in a holder and one must use the same holder (think consumer product) then physical size will matter, but that's really never the case on a slot machine.

[stayouttadabunker]

I've never tried to start up my S2000 WITHOUT a battery on the MPU.   
I cannot imagine what kind of forced machine errors that would entail? 
I like forcing errors on machines to see if I can get rid of them on purpose.
It's all part of my master plan to secretly destroy the ever evolving menace that's looming in America. 

Actually, forcing problems on machines and creating errors to pop up - helps me deal with my sense of purpose in life. 
It also makes me actually utilize a very dusty Clear chip notwithstanding per Blueridge principles.

[brichter]

I've never tried to start up my S2000 WITHOUT a battery on the MPU.   
I cannot imagine what kind of forced machine errors that would entail? 
I like forcing errors on machines to see if I can get rid of them on purpose.
It's all part of my master plan to secretly destroy the ever evolving menace that's looming in America. 

Actually, forcing problems on machines and creating errors to pop up - helps me deal with my sense of purpose in life. 
It also makes me actually utilize a very dusty Clear chip notwithstanding per Bluerdige principles.

Ok, so let us know what voltage you see when the machine is powered on with no battery in the circuit,
then let us know what codes it threw and how you cleared them.

[brichter]

  All the Vision/S2000 boards I have use the BR2330.

This isn't a rechargeable battery, so I replaced them with RS P/N 270-009 battery holder and a CR2032. The BR (and VL, for that matter) will fit in the holder since it's a 30 mm holder and the BR/VL series are 23 mm in diameter.