Bypass door optics on a 6000?

[FORDSBS]

Bringing one back from the dead.
Does anyone know how to bypass the door optics on a Bally 6000?
Thanks Ford

[Mr. Dinoman]

Hey Ford it is Jimmy...
Here is what I do for a quick bypass...Take a LED flashlight and hold it up to the optic in the case...You should see the coin comparitor light light up and check out the machine with you spare hand...You could always get a magnet flexable LED light and use that...Hope that gives you ideas...
Jimmy

[OldReno]

+1 to Jimmy,
You used to be able to do that with IGT until they put pulsed optics into their equipment.
Don't know if Bally has done that or not. Or when.

[FORDSBS]

Hey Ford it is Jimmy...
Here is what I do for a quick bypass...Take a LED flashlight and hold it up to the optic in the case...You should see the coin comparitor light light up and check out the machine with you spare hand...You could always get a magnet flexable LED light and use that...Hope that gives you ideas...
Jimmy

Jimmy, I did that with a light. I works then but I want to do a permanent bypass so I don't have to hold a light to have it work.
Thanks Ford

[Mr. Dinoman]

Go to your local BBQ store and get a magnet flexable LED light...You can then stick it on the side of the machine and point the light into the optic...As far as I know, bally does not use pulsed optics on the 6000...I have held a flashlight up to the optics for a long time while I am checking on the coin comparitor and/or the overall machine...
Jimmy

[stayouttadabunker]

If the Bally optics are NOT pulsed, then could they use a cherry switch like I use on my S2000?
You could use the other tabs on the cherry switch for the interior worklight?
The cherry switch would need a separate set of tabs....>>>

[FORDSBS]

When I check power on door switch it is pulsed. Power than 0 -power than 0
Does anyone know what wires to connect to ELIMINATE SWITCH?

[OldReno]

We used to make jumpers for the IGT's that had pulsed optics.  Take 1 complete set of door optics (1 emitter, one detector), and then put them together facing each other and permanently fasten them in place with some heatshrink. The cool thing is the plugs already match up.  Then you unplug the machine optics, and plug in your jumper.  This allows you access with door open, and the machine still thinks it's closed. If you want to get fancy, put inline a small micro-switch so you can simulate door open without unplugging your jumper.   
If you can get a set of Bally optics, you could make a jumper like that in theory.
(I always wondered if a piece of fibreoptic cable would work...?)

[FORDSBS]

Thanks all. I found the problem. I switched everything else from another machine. Door &
wiring, back board, switches, & all. The last thing I switched was the cable that goes into
 backboard J3 cabinet I/O. I got one for this machine because it was missing. The one
I got was bad.
Thanks for all the help & K+ to all.

[stayouttadabunker]

Well...to answer the question of bypassing door optics on a Bally6000 is right here in this photo.
I opened the door on mine...haven't done that in a while and I never knew it already didn't have optics -
it uses a cherry switch!
Here's some pictures for ya! ...>>>

[stayouttadabunker]

more pics...
Looks like they only use the top half of the cherry switch's tabs.
The top wire is a doubled set of dark, maybe black wires...probably ground wires.
Middle one appears to be yellow or light orange (mango?)  w/ black stripe
and the bottom one looks like a darker orange w/ black stripe.
I hope this helps anyone that might want to install a Cherry switch on their machine in the future.

Obviously,  Bally has parts from Mexico too.
IGT uses a lot from Japan.
I don't believe there is a slot machine company that's totally "Made In U.S.A." anymore...>>>

[stayouttadabunker]

Last picture I took...
The flash on my camera finally kicked in...

Click on any photo to enlarge as big as you want...>>>

[FORDSBS]

Thanks Bunker. I'll have to do that to the machine I robbed the harness from.
Ford

[FORDSBS]

Question Bunker.
Is it the 2 wires from optic on cabinet or 1 from cabinet & 1 from door?
Thanks Ford

[stayouttadabunker]

I don't know Fordsbs.
I can dig around in the morning for you.
The machine is at least 38 miles from me at the moment...lol

My guess is that the two blacks were tied together on the "Common" tab,
but I don't know why they would have one on the "NC" tab ( Normally Closed) of the Cherry switch
and one on the "NO" tab? (Normally Open)
I'm confused by that...

If you're working on your machine now before I can check in the morning -
I'd go by the colors for the time being.
I'm sure your machine has the same colored wires?

[FORDSBS]

Thanks Bunker. I will not get to it until Wed.

[stayouttadabunker]

Okay,
I just looked at it.
From what I can see...there are no connectors on the door itself for any optics.
The only ones I see are the ones on the cabinet-side under the bill acceptor
and are the ones I mentioned in the earlier post.

It looks like I was somewhat correct on how the Cherry switch tabs are configured.
I removed my switch to show you a couple of things...>>>

The doubled-up black wires go onto one tab marked as #2.
But as you can see - it's tied in with the #4 tab with the yellow wire as a closed circuit.
Only when the plunger is pulled out or pushed in does the orange wire on the #6 tab close the connection -
sending a "closed door" signal back to the MPU.

So with this diagram in mind, all you really need to do is pull your four wires together
and hook them up to the Cherry switch to bypass the door optics!

The other 3 tabs labeled as #1,#3, & #5 are spare tabs should you want to switch
something else for example:  an interior work lamp perhaps?

You can click on my photoshopped photo to enlarge it if you wish...>>>

[FORDSBS]

Thanks Bunker, Now if I can find the yellow wire.

[stayouttadabunker]

I think it's more like a real light orange wire or off-yellow wire
and the other is a darker shade of orange w/ a black stripe.

[FORDSBS]

I think it's more like a real light orange wire or off-yellow wire

I'll have to look for that one tomorrow. I wonder if that one has anything to do with optics.

[stayouttadabunker]

I think it's more like a real light orange wire or off-yellow wire

I'll have to look for that one tomorrow. I wonder if that one has anything to do with optics.

I'd bet my bottom dollar it does Fordsbs!  

[FORDSBS]

The door has orange W/ red & gray W/ blue, so it's not one of those

[stayouttadabunker]

You have physical optics on the door?
I don't....would we have different door harnesses?
Mine only go to the deck buttons, deck lights, coin comparator, coin-in optics and the speaker.
I don't see any other connections really.

[OldReno]

I'm confused if this has optics or not?
At one time Bally used only cherry switches.  Then they included optics.
They had weird optics, as in the prism system they once used in their coin in circuitry.  A plastic prism.
Often they would use a set of self contained optics, wherein a blocking bar was used to interrupt the light source.  Could you have an assembly like that on your door? This does save in production costs, to run only 1 set of wires rather than 2.
I dunno, just trying to figure this out.
Maybe I should reread the posts...?

[FORDSBS]

You have physical optics on the door?
I don't....would we have different door harnesses?
Mine only go to the deck buttons, deck lights, coin comparator, coin-in optics and the speaker.
I don't see any other connections really.

I have optics on door & cabinet. It's a 2003 .