bally 891-20 super continental

[drfreeze1739]

Hello. just got another machine to add to mt collection...

Need a little help on it..

It turns on and lights up. wont except coins...


I have checked all plugs and fuses they are all good. Checked all fuse caps and they are good..

It is a 5 cent machine...

[drfreeze1739]

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[drfreeze1739]

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[Amachanic]

Nice machine.. I have one just like it.. The EM Bally's have the blade switches and contacts that need to be cleaned and sometimes adjusted to work correctly, if a machine has been sitting for a period of time.. I would start with the reels and inspect the switches on the right side. I use a meter to check to see if they are working or not. I like to clean the contacts with rubbing alcohol and a folded piece of paper. NEVER sand or file the contacts. Take your time and check each switch and relay on the reels and hopper and try it again. I like to manually advance the hoppers spiral cam to see if the zero switch opens, then push the release solenoid inside behind the cam to see if it returns to zero or not.. These are just a few things I do when I'm having issues with a new EM I've picked up.. Good luck and keep us posted..

[OldReno]

When you push down on the coin in switch, does the coin accepted light come on?

[drfreeze1739]

When i move the coin switch manualy nothing happens...

no the coin light dose not come on...

[Amachanic]

Check and see how the beau plugs look. If they have corrosion on them then clean them up and slide the reels back in.

[drfreeze1739]

If i do a manual spin on the reels with the pull handle the hopper spins when i pull the handle...

[drfreeze1739]

Ok. Cleaned every thing up in side check and cleaned all connections on hopper and reels.

Opend the top where the multiplyer is ... looking around and seen the bell wire cut and seen some other wires are cut but dont see where they would go... No missing connetions where they should be,

now i move the coin acepter and it makes the multiplyer reset and cant pull handle still...

any help on this....

[OldReno]

On left side of reels, near back is a resettable relay.  Push on the armature to release it, and then slide the mech back in.  See if that allows the handle to drop.
On some machines, the hopper is supposed to spin during handle pull, that helps mix up the coins in the hopper.  No problem there.

[drfreeze1739]

Here is the latest update..

Thank you Amachanic for all your help!!!   

I played with the  resettable relay.  Push on the armature to release on the side of the reels.

Put it all back  together and pushed it in all nice and tight.

Now it lets the coin drop through and im able to pull the handle now and it all spins and stops...

Thank you OldReno for your sugestion that helped me out...  

Now it spins and stops but no pay out..... It will land on a pay out and it dose nothing no hopper spin or nothing.....

I have check and cleaned all connection.

My hopper still spins when the handel is pulled... I have never seen that happen before on any of my other Bally machines.

[OldReno]

Yes, as above, your hopper should spin during handle pull.  It mixes the coins up, and helps to keep the hopper from jamming. Not to worry.
As far as no pays, does your hopper reset back to zero?  You can tell if the winner paid light stays on, it probably has not reset.
Try setting up several kinds of pays to see if any of them pay.
Also, you can wiggle the reels and pull them down a little bit to see if that starts a pay.  Your reel wipers might be a bit out of index, but I would check the hopper reset first.  Your hopper payboard fingers should be back at zero.
Keep us posted.

[drfreeze1739]

I have a big white button on the side of the machine that sticks out on the top half right hand side. Will attach pic in a few of this.

When i push it it will light up 1 coin then press it again ant it will light up 2 coin and so on untill it gets to 6 coin.

Then i can pull the handle and reels spin also.. But still no pay out... Not sure if this is just a credit machine or what.

Or if what????

[drfreeze1739]

And also the coin acept light and please insert coin and the pay light and tilt light and the lights on the right hand side be hind the coin head wont light up.

I have replaced all them with good working bulbs..

All other lights seem to work.

[drfreeze1739]

Pics of the white button on the side and the hopper zero switch..

[drfreeze1739]

one more pic of  hopper zero switch..

[OldReno]

All the zero switch does, is tell the machine that the hopper has paid (is not at zero), and allows it to pulse the hopper reset coil the next time you pull the handle.  It has nothing to do with pays, EXCEPT, on the continental.
On the continental, with 6 coins played, and one cherry on the payline it works like this:
2 coins pay, the zero switch closes (after first coin out), the odds unit follower tells the hopper to reset and pay again after last (second) coin.
After the next 2 coins out, it resets and pays again.
It does this until the odds follower tells it to stop resetting, which is just after the 10th coin is payed out.  The last two coins pay, and the hopper does not need resetting because pay is complete.
Other than that, the zero switch cannot affect pays, it is only for resetting the hopper, and is a separate circuit than the pays circuits.
Of course, if the payboard never resets, then and only then can it affect your pays, because the wiper fingers will have moved off of the hot pay segments on the payboard, and the pay can never start.
Any time you have a mis-pay or a no-pay, you should look at the payboard and the wiper fingers to see where they are. This will give you some idea of what is happening.
You can mechanically reset the payboard at any time, and the pay should start anew.
One quick and easy way to get the machine to repay, is to push back on the variator bar (just above the clock and fan) and that should immediately reset the hopper (by closing the B switch) and start the pay over.  If this makes it pay again, you don't even have to look at the zero switch because you know it works.

If the zero switch is closed all the time, the only bad thing that will happen is that the payout reset coil will wear out faster than it should. (probably take many years to do that, so it's really no big deal.)  On the other hand, the switch the casinos worried about was the B switch on the left of the reels.  If that is always closed, the machine will run away. Some folks used to close the B switch so close, that if you smacked the machine after a pay, the contacts could often touch and it would repay.  We were taught to B careful with the B switch. Drillers would often drill through the case, and then short out or close the B switch with a paperclip, and get it to reset.  Especially after a 200 coin pay.

So again, the zero switch is not in the pay circuits, but it can prevent the machine from paying, by not resetting the pay board. If you pull out the hopper, and the wiper fingers are at zero, then any pay problems are not the zero switch.  I hope that makes some sense...?

[OldReno]

One more thought.  With a pay on the center line, and handle pulled, reach down and pull forward slightly on your hopper carriage.  That's the piece that sticks out in front of the hopper, and that your zero switch is mounted on.  You may find that as you do that it will start to pay.
Let us know.

[drfreeze1739]

Ok Here we go.

When i hit a pay out and then move the part you said it will triger the silinode in the hopper to start pay out and the counter on the top... But the hopper dont spin...

Some times when i hit a pay out i have to play with the reels and move the first reel down a little and hold it there to make it pay out. But still no hopper spin...

Stll no coin light acepted when putting in a coin or doing it manualy and no light on insert coin after pull of handel and ready for next spin.

[drfreeze1739]

Update on this Slot Machine... 5/24/2012

Well i got every thing working except for the hopper to spin during the pay out and a few lights.....

I have been reading a manual i have here for a bally 1960-1980 repair manual.

It talks about a door switch.. I dont have any type of door switch in the machine.. I have a reset switch in side...


It takes coins it takes credits by pushing the button on the side of the machine.
It will spin the reels when the handle is pulled. The reels stop lock in place.
When winning on the pay line you can hear the upper counter clicking and watch the counter move
and you can see and hear the silinode in the hopper moving also Just no coin out and hopper not spinning.

I know the hopper motor is good because the hopper spins during every  handle pull....

[drfreeze1739]

Well no luck on getting it to pay out...

It all works great but it wont spin hopper to pay out when you win.

It has all new lights in it and has been cleaned up....

The Glass is in good shape no cracks in it....

Im just going to put it up for sale as is....

So if any one thats lives in the SO Cail and wants it let me know...

Will give a good deal on it.... Need to sell to get money for my son's trip...

[drfreeze1739]

Thank you all for you Help on this..

You guys are great....

Thanks Again every one.....    

[OldReno]

So, when you hit a pay, does it rack up credits on a credit meter?  If it's giving you credits, then the hopper won't run.
Not too familiar with credit mode, as all our machines were strictly coin out.

[drfreeze1739]

Yes it dose rack up credits.... But..... if you press the reset silionde on the multiplyer it will spinn the hopper and start spitting coins out..

[ricker]

So, when you hit a pay, does it rack up credits on a credit meter?  If it's giving you credits, then the hopper won't run.
Not too familiar with credit mode, as all our machines were strictly coin out.

So, when you hit a pay, does it rack up credits on a credit meter?  If it's giving you credits, then the hopper won't run.
Not too familiar with credit mode, as all our machines were strictly coin out.

There may/should be a key switch lower part of cabinet, right side, where you can change from coin to credit.

I do know that if a key switch is near the bottom of right side of cabinet, it is a two way switch, one way for credit, one way for coin.

Richard