Reel Detectives (sizzling 7 clone)

[xkey]

I just got this machine up and running and I have been playing it for an hour or so... The "Bible" says that it is a 3CBP.  Can someone tell me what a 3CBP is and what it does?

thanks

jon

[jay]

3c = 3 coin.
BAP = Buy a Pay.
As you add coins you are guaranteeing a winner.

Sort of like 3 in 1 out..... or slightly less of a loss.

This is escentially the thinking behind the theory of the new penny slots......

You play 25 lines at 20coins per line ...... 5.00 per pull ........ all of a sudden you hit a 300 coin pay..... WHOOO HOO.....  you only lost 2.00 but you had fun doing it......

We call that a slow bleed....

[xkey]

Jay,

  thanks for the explanation, does that mean that I am guaranteed a winner every pull, this machine is very stingy I am using this reel chip

SS7677   98.012 (96.283)   13.644   (64) AAA   0/500/1000 (64)   0/150/300 (640)   7.32

jon

[jay]

http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CBP/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Sizzling%207%20(3%20Coin%20Buy-A-Pay).htm

I looked at the S7 reel glass and it doesnt say that it pays for blanks.

IF you put 3 in and don't score .... does it spit out 1 or 2 ?

[OhioGaming]

Buy A Pay ..

The first coin buys the 1 Coin Pay only column. On a Sizzling 7s it would not pay out if any type of 7 combinations were on the payline on a 1 coin pay. To win any type of 7 combination you would have to play two or three coins on a 3C BAP. When playing two coins it will pay out on 1 and 2 coins pay only. And when playing 3 coins it will only play out on 1 and 3 coins pay only. When playing 3 coins it will not pay out 2 coin pays.

[knagl]

[Jim]

Jon    here is a comparision between your reel strips and the sizzlin seven strips    this may help you see the relationship

 Jim

[blueridgeslots]

http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CBP/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Sizzling%207%20(3%20Coin%20Buy-A-Pay).htm

I looked at the S7 reel glass and it doesnt say that it pays for blanks.

IF you put 3 in and don't score .... does it spit out 1 or 2 ?

Blank pays 2 on the Sizzling 7

[StatFreak]

Jay,

  thanks for the explanation, does that mean that I am guaranteed a winner every pull, this machine is very stingy I am using this reel chip

SS7677   98.012 (96.283)   13.644   (64) AAA   0/500/1000 (64)   0/150/300 (640)   7.32

jon

That is the best chip there is for this game.

Regarding the BAP concept, strictly speaking, Sizzling sevens is a 2-coin Buy A Pay with a 3^rd coin multiplier. Full BAP machines don't multiply any wins, but only add more of them with each coin, so the Sizzling 7's is actually a hybrid.

...this machine is very stingy...

Jon, it's not that the machine is stingy, but that this game is designed to be a feast or famine game. The Bars pay back very poorly (mostly only blanks and mixed bars). Most of your money will be returned hitting mixed 7's and red 7's for 200 or 300 coins (with max bet). In any short-term play (meaning a couple of hours of solid play, in this case), if you hit those you will be jumping up and down singing the praises of your "loose" machine, if not, you'll be crying the stingy blues. This machine has no middle ground.

The good news about BAP machines is that they can make the odds of hitting the top prize much closer to the value of the prize than they can with a multiplier, because you are actually buying the pay separately from the lower payouts. In this case, the odds of winning the 1000 coin jackpot are only 4096 to 1.  By comparison, the odds of hitting 2400 coins on a 3-coin Double Diamond multiplier are 46,656 to 1. So if you were to play Sizzling 7's and DD equally, you would win -- in the long run --  over 11,000 in jackpots on the S7 for ever one 2400 jackpot you hit on the DD.

In the long run, you can expect to hit the 1000 coin jackpot about every seven hours of constant play (600 spins/hour). However, you could go MUCH longer without hitting it (personal experience with Bally's version) or could hit more often.

Hope this helps.

PS: Here is the PAR sheet for your chip.

[blueridgeslots]

Regarding the BAP concept, strictly speaking, Sizzling sevens is a 2-coin Buy A Pay with a 3rd coin multiplier. Full BAP machines don't multiply any wins, but only add more of them with each coin, so the Sizzling 7's is actually a hybrid.

That is why this game is considered a 3R3BM 3 Reel 3 Coin Buy Multiplier, a game like Play Ball or Home Run would be an example of a BAP, or better example a 2 Coin Sizzling 7, where 1 coin Buys the Bars and 2 Coins Buys both the Bars and 7's, anyone in a Casino who played 1 Coin and hit 3 Sizzling 7's on a Dollar Game will remember the $1000 they lost by not playing the second buck, and if you don't have a split credit limit/hopper pay SP chip in with that 98% chip you won't say it doesn't pay off enough real quick

[xkey]

Thanks for the great information, and everyone is right, played a little more last night and couldn't help but hit 7's a lot.  I was almost ready to adjust the volume from Casino Loud to home, but I just turned the radio up instead.

thanks again

[StatFreak]

Thanks for the great information, and everyone is right, played a little more last night and couldn't help but hit 7's a lot. 

Glad to hear you're enjoying your machine.

...I was almost ready to adjust the volume from Casino Loud to home, but I just turned the radio up instead.

 

If you want a good laugh regarding volume and payback, read this thread.
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=1979.0

[xkey]

Stat,

Not to cross post, but it did seem to payout more the louder the volume got. Are you sure the blue knob is just volume,  I just figured thats how the casinos did it, turn the dial, bigggggger payouts, lot of noise to attract potential players, violia, more money for the casino.

[kforeman]

Stat,

Not to cross post, but it did seem to payout more the louder the volume got. Are you sure the blue knob is just volume,  I just figured thats how the casinos did it, turn the dial, bigggggger payouts, lot of noise to attract potential players, violia, more money for the casino.

hehehe....as much as we sometimes wish it were that simple, it just isn't.  especially when she has those looooong legs and a pair of laaaaarge funbags.     the phrase "make sure you press the win button for me" suddenly becomes much less annoying, no matter how many times you've heard it that day!!

unfortunately changing payback percentage requires pulling the mpu and changing chips or in newer games performing a keychip function.

as a side note on your thread, when we had the S+ sizzlers on our floor they were probably the most popular games out there, the players actually won sometimes because if they put the time in, they would hit loads of mixed, all red, and a few sizzler jackpots.  i remember using a cart to carry 8-10 buckets of dollar tokens at a time up to the cashier for the old ladies.  now that we have the S2000 version the volatility is crap and the play is almost nonexistent.  in my opinion you have one of the best games out there for flat out having fun by winning jackpots.  enjoy!!

[StatFreak]

hehehe....as much as we sometimes wish it were that simple, it just isn't.  especially when she has those looooong legs and a pair of laaaaarge funbags.     the phrase "make sure you press the win button for me" suddenly becomes much less annoying, no matter how many times you've heard it that day!!

unfortunately changing payback percentage requires pulling the mpu and changing chips or in newer games performing a keychip function.

as a side note on your thread, when we had the S+ sizzlers on our floor they were probably the most popular games out there, the players actually won sometimes because if they put the time in, they would hit loads of mixed, all red, and a few sizzler jackpots.  i remember using a cart to carry 8-10 buckets of dollar tokens at a time up to the cashier for the old ladies.  now that we have the S2000 version the volatility is crap and the play is almost nonexistent.  in my opinion you have one of the best games out there for flat out having fun by winning jackpots.  enjoy!!

xkey, kforeman put that perfectly. 
kforeman, make my looong legged lady a blonde!  

[uniman]

as a side note on your thread, when we had the S+ sizzlers on our floor they were probably the most popular games out there, the players actually won sometimes because if they put the time in, they would hit loads of mixed, all red, and a few sizzler jackpots.  i remember using a cart to carry 8-10 buckets of dollar tokens at a time up to the cashier for the old ladies.  now that we have the S2000 version the volatility is crap and the play is almost nonexistent.  in my opinion you have one of the best games out there for flat out having fun by winning jackpots.  enjoy!!

IGT, Bally, and Universal all had this game in different themes. Think Bally's was Hot Sevens, IGT was Sizzling 7's, and Universal's was Magnificent 7's.

Universal had several different percentage chips. Two were 97.4%. One had a chance of winning Blue 7's,1000 coins at 2731 to 1 and Red 7's, only 100 coins at 683 to 1.
The other 97% chip had Blue 7's, 1000 coins at 4096 to 1 and Red 7's, 100 coins at 410 to 1.
There are still 14 of them in dollar demon. at Circus Circus in LV. They tell me the the Hawian visitors love them! 

[StatFreak]

The Bally's are called Blazing 7's, and they're still in out there,   although Bally also had a Red Hot Sevens theme with its own variations.

This is one of the most popular themes ever produced, regardless of manufacturer, because of the low odds of hitting the mid-level payouts of 200 & 300 coins and the top jackpot. There are progressives, the IGT Barcrest version with varying payouts for the red 7's (one of my favorite machines when I'm playing for real money in a casino), and several other variations.

[JRR4]

Regressing in the discussion a bit... wouldn't Play Ball be sortof a Buy-A-Multiplier type game?  From looking at the paytable on the glass it looks like the second coin basically enables the 2X (Double) multiplier symbol and the third coin enables the 3X (Triple) multiplier symbol.  Adding more coins doesn't seem to buy any new payouts like the 7's on Sizzling.  Adding coins just enables a new multiplier symbol. 

[StatFreak]

Play Ball is a Buy A Pay. Here is the link to the bible.

Even though hitting bars with different multipliers would seem to be the same payout, they really aren't.

Adding coins, does, in fact, add new payouts. Bar, Joker, Bar is not the same payout as Bar, Double, Bar. None of they payouts listed under a given coin are repeated under another. The game has three different strips. The first only has a joker, the second has a joker and a double, and the third has a double and a triple. If you hit a payout with a multiplier that you didn't buy, you lose. That would suck in a casino. The rule is to always play full coin in a BAP machine.

[jay]

Am I the only one here that finds it somewhat ironic that we have this group of supposedly well informed slot aficionados yet we find oursevles  (me included) somewhat unclear about the neuances of a rather basic (by todays standards) game.
Heck this is a 1990 vintage (19 year old) 1line, 3 reel ..... not some 9 reel, 200 line, 25 coin per line theme.

If we are the well informed..... egad John Q Public will not find this intutively obvious ...... So heres the question. Is the gaming company purposely trying to mislead the player ?

[kforeman]

If we are the well informed..... egad John Q Public will not find this intutively obvious ...... So heres the question. Is the gaming company purposely trying to mislead the player ?

i disagree, i don't know how many disputes i've been a part of in the past 9 years that would have been avoided had the player just read the paytable or info screen.  98% of the games on casino floors have all info needed for complete understanding of the game either printed on the glass or can be found by scrolling through the pages of the help/paytable menu.

  is it any more misleading for Sony to sell a dvd player that doesn't support divx playback?  if one wanted divx playback one should have done a bit more research into the particular model.

we are speaking about gambling here; if someone is going to put their money and gamble it away in a machine, why wouldn't that individual be expected to comprehend all aspects of that particular game?  just because John Q doesn't take the time to understand the game    does not signify that the casino or machine manufacturer is misleading John in the slightest.

[StatFreak]

I think that if there were any deception intended with those machines, it was more likely from the casino operators, and was probably not very common.

I could see a scenario where a slot manager might have deliberately put BAP machines in locations that saw mostly impulse play after they discovered that patrons weren't playing full coin on these machines. This would effectively lower the payback percentage and reduce the number of jackpots they would have to pay out on machines that saw sporadic play. This wouldn't work in locations within the casino frequented by the hard-core players, since they would know the machines and be more apt to play full coin and for longer periods of time. A casino would want those players playing full coin anyway, because the more coin-in per hour, the more the casino makes.

I really think that the designers were just trying to bring a wide variety of games to the public to suit different tastes.

Of course, all of this is just IMHO.