Adding ZIF Socket to S2000

[TheChad]

Hey All,

I want to put ZIF sockets on my S2000 board, so I don't ever have to worry about bending/breaking pins off the chips.

I did a search and came across the Jameco Low Profile ZIF Sockets, but the thread was discussing the S+ Machine.

I am purchasing an S2000 (I don't have it yet, but am purchasing it at the end of the month).

So I have a few questions for you more experienced guys..

Is this the correct one for the S2000? http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_102753_-1 it's a ZIF Socket 40 Position 2.54mm Solder Straight Thru-Hole (20-pin On each side)

How many of these will I need?    It says "Solder" But from what I read, you can just plug them into the socket on the board?

Are there any issued with these on the S2000 board? (I know there was some clearance issued with a jumper on the S+ boards)

Anything I'm Missing?

Thanks in advance!

-TheChad

[TheChad]

I am looking to add the low profile ZIF's to an S2000.

I know I will need the 40-pin for the Base/key/clear chip,  but it looks like you need 32-pin for all the other chips.  However atleast from Jameco, it looks like they don't offer a 32-pin, only a 28 pin..

They do have a 32 pin "Connector Test Socket Receptacle 32 Position 2.54mm Solder Straight Thru-Hole"  http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_104012_-1.

But that's different than the "Connector ZIF Socket SKT 40 Position 2.54mm Solder Straight Thru-Hole" http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_102753_-1

I also wanted to ask, these say "Solder" Can they just be inserted directly into the socket on the board?

Thanks,

-TheChad

[Ron (r273)]

I use only one on a S-2000, 40 pin low profile ZIF for the stepper base chip. I usually do not change the GME 1 & 2. I use
the SG000363 for most games so I don't have to change them. They can be inserted and used
without soldering them in. The 32 pin you show is the diiferent type. It has vertical lever on the side. Not
sure it will fit (thicker base).

Ron (r273)

[TheChad]

Thanks for the reply Ron!

I am new to all of this, I haven't even picked up my machine yet (Couple Weeks), so please bare with me!

I assume the Game 1 & 2 are for chaning your game? (I don't plan to do this often, maybe once or twice a year)

"I use the SG000363 for most games so I don't have to change them."  What is this? What does this mean?

Yeah, I spent about an hour searching for a 32 pin low profile ZIF socket and cannot find one.  Weird, but I guess it doesn't exsist!    So I guess there really is no option for the 32 pin sockets.

I had planned on installing the ZIF socket's on every slot, just to have them. Why chance bending/breaking a leg ever,  but I guess that's not going to be possible..

Thanks,

-TheChad

I use only one on a S-2000, 40 pin low profile ZIF for the stepper base chip. I usually do not change the GME 1 & 2. I use
the SG000363 for most games so I don't have to change them. They can be inserted and used
without soldering them in. The 32 pin you show is the diiferent type. It has vertical lever on the side. Not
sure it will fit (thicker base).

Ron (r273)

[Buzz]

What Ron is telling you is the Game Chips have nothing to do with the game that's installed in your machine. All game info is in the base chip and 9 times out of 10 there is no need to change the SG ( game ) chips when a game change is made.

Now lets talk about this ZIF you want to buy and can't find. ( 32 pin )    I don't see a problem, install a 40 pin ZIF into a 32 pin socket by letting 4 pins each side overhang the boards socket. Now I know your new but let me throw this one out there. If you ever go to a game that uses a SS chip your going to have a board socket of 32 pins, a Zip for a 40 pin and a eprom with 28 pins. " What a mess"

I don't use ZIf and I don't like ZIFs Now I'm going to tell you why. I bought a bunch on them and when I got them the flat piece that your suppose to solder to the board is turned the wrong way to insert them into the boards socket. Oh you can screw aroung long enough to get one in but pretty much ruined the boards socket if you ever want to go back to the eprom installed in the boards socket.

Have I ever broken a leg on a eprom, sure I have. But i have a eprom burner, if I break a leg I just get out the burner and make a new chip. Sure helps my blood pressure !! I might add I wish I had a dollar for every leg I've soldered back onto a eprom.

[Buzz]

Another little trick you can do is install your Base chip onto a brand new socket that's never been soldered to a board. Your just using that new socket as a adaptor, if you by chance break a leg on the adaptor you have lost nothing, the eprom is still OK. Well you did lose the 55 cents that the new socket cost. Let's call this a poor Boy ZIF.

[TheChad]

Another little trick you can do is install your Base chip onto a brand new socket that's never been soldered to a board. Your just using that new socket as a adaptor, if you by chance break a leg on the adaptor you have lost nothing, the eprom is still OK. Well you did lose the 55 cents that the new socket cost. Let's call this a poor Boy ZIF.

Actually, that's a pretty good idea!

I still like the idea of the ZIF socket, but I don't like what you said about "the flat piece that your suppose to solder to the board is turned the wrong way to insert them into the boards socket. Oh you can screw aroung long enough to get one in but pretty much ruined the boards socket if you ever want to go back to the eprom installed in the boards socket." worries me...

I've not read anyone else mention this "Flat piece" in any other posts?   My other thought is, couln't you just cut off or grind down this "flat piece"?

My origional thought was, why not just slap a ZIF socket on each of the board sockets, just incase I ever needed to change them.  But now that I found there is no 32 pin Low-Profile ZIF socket's, I think I'm going to scratch the origional idea and just go with the 40-pin for the SB/Clear/Key chip.

r273:  What's your input on this "Flat Piece" Buzz is talking about?

Thanks,

-TheChad

[Ron (r273)]

It's all a matter of preference and costs. I like the ZIF sockets because you can bend a leg on the
flat type easier than the ZIF. On the ZIF you can place it in and then lock it down.

Like Buzz said it is a poor boy answer to the expense ZIF sockets. 

Ron (r273)

[TheChad]

It's all a matter of preference and costs. I like the ZIF sockets because you can bend a leg on the
flat type easier than the ZIF. On the ZIF you can place it in and then lock it down.

Like Buzz said it is a poor boy answer to the expense ZIF sockets. 

Ron (r273)

The ZIF Socket's are like $8, that's hardly expensive..

I still want to know more about this "flat piece" Buzz was talking about?

-TheChad

[Ron (r273)]

It's all a matter of preference and costs. I like the ZIF sockets because you can bend a leg on the
flat type easier than the ZIF. On the ZIF you can place it in and then lock it down.

Like Buzz said it is a poor boy answer to the expense ZIF sockets.  

Ron (r273)

The ZIF Socket's are like $8, that's hardly expensive..

I still want to know more about this "flat piece" Buzz was talking about?

-TheChad

$8 turns into $24 for each board. The flat piece is shown in Buzz's post #5. You place your chip into it and leave it on the chip.
You then can plug them both in and if you bend or break a leg it will be on the flat piece. Much
cheaper than replacing a chip.

Ron (r273)

[TheChad]

$8 turns into $24 for each board. The flat piece is shown in Buzz's post #5. You place your chip into it and leave it on the chip.
You then can plug them both in and if you bend or break a leg it will be on the flat piece. Much
cheaper than replacing a chip.

Ron (r273)

Ron,

In Buzz's post #4, he mentions a "flat piece" that he says ruins the board socket of you install a Zif.  Post #5 is something different all together.

How does $8 turn into $24?  Shipping?  Shipping should be the same on both..

-TheChad

[CVslots]

$8 turns into $24 for each board. The flat piece is shown in Buzz's post #5. You place your chip into it and leave it on the chip.
You then can plug them both in and if you bend or break a leg it will be on the flat piece. Much
cheaper than replacing a chip.

Ron (r273)

Ron,

In Buzz's post #4, he mentions a "flat piece" that he says ruins the board socket of you install a Zif.  Post #5 is something different all together.

How does $8 turn into $24?  Shipping?  Shipping should be the same on both..

-TheChad

I believe Ron is saying $24/board since there are 3 chips on each, the 1 SB and the 2 SGs...

[coorslight115]

Just to try and clarify this flat piece that will ruin the board socket......On some ZIF sockets the pins that would normally get soldered to the board are flat pins not round. On an eprom the pins are flat as well, the difference is on some Zif sockets the pins are flat 90 degrees to what you need. So if you were to force it into the board socket you would spread the connectors too wide and a chip would never fit tight in the socket again.

[Buzz]

Let me try to clear up what I said. The flat part would be the legs of the ZIF that would be inserted into the board socket. On the ZIFs I have the flat part of the leg faces for and aft compared to a eproms legs that face port and starboard.

I wouldn't think that all ZIF are designed like the junk I have. I know I bought 20, used one and tossed the rest into a drawer. ( One of these days I need to dump the contents of  that drawer )

Now I ask why use a ZIF ?? Oh I know it's a gadget and some folks just have to have the best and lastest gadgets. If you make sure all the pins (legs) of a eprom are straight and aligned with the socket there isn't a whole lot of  chance of breaking a leg. A leg rarely breaks going in or coming out, they break when you have to straighten them because you screw up. ( "screw up" isn't a term I wanted to use )

What is a gadget ?  Wife  A gadget you screw on your bed and it does your house work for you

Coors you beat me in.  But this crap I have when you close the leaver all the pins move to a angle I think if you would solder them to a board the jaws of the ZIF would not close. Maybe a cross eyed China-man designed the ones I have.

[TheChad]

Colors/Buzz,

Now I understand what Buzz is talking about!  I thought he was talking about an extra tab or something..

So I believe that the Jameco low profile Zif that I posted in my first post has round pins..  This socket has been used by many on here and I have not read anything about the pins being flat or facing the wrong direction..

I think I am going to go ahead and order the 40-pin Jameco low profile ZIF..  Since I cant find a 32-pin low profile ZIF, and I probably will never need to replace the 32-pin game chips, I just will do Buzz's idea of just adding the pass-threw socket.

Of course I won't add the ZIF or the pass threw sockets untill I need to pull any of these chips.

Thanks for all the help!

-TheChad

[slotsteve]

Another little trick you can do is install your Base chip onto a brand new socket that's never been soldered to a board. Your just using that new socket as a adaptor, if you by chance break a leg on the adaptor you have lost nothing, the eprom is still OK. Well you did lose the 55 cents that the new socket cost. Let's call this a poor Boy ZIF.

I do that with all my clear chips 25 bucks cost of clear chip buys many  sockets

[coorslight115]

Another little trick you can do is install your Base chip onto a brand new socket that's never been soldered to a board. Your just using that new socket as a adaptor, if you by chance break a leg on the adaptor you have lost nothing, the eprom is still OK. Well you did lose the 55 cents that the new socket cost. Let's call this a poor Boy ZIF.

I do that with all my clear chips 25 bucks cost of clear chip buys many  sockets

$25?  you are paying too much for your clear chips !!

[slotsteve]

i,ll dig out slip i,m sure its was 25 each, but i could be wrong

[TheChad]

i,ll dig out slip i,m sure its was 25 each, but i could be wrong

Like coors said... You paid too much!!

They go for $12/each shipped.

-TheChad

[CVslots]

What is a gadget ?  Wife  A gadget you screw on your bed and it does your house work for you

Definition compliments of the Neanderthal Dictionary...


 

-Roz

[Buzz]

i,ll dig out slip i,m sure its was 25 each, but i could be wrong

They go for $12/each shipped.

-TheChad

Boy what a bargin, seems like I learn something new on this site everyday !! Maybe I had better clean up my act so Joey will let me stay around a little longer.

[staz]

Let me try to clear up what I said. The flat part would be the legs of the ZIF that would be inserted into the board socket. On the ZIFs I have the flat part of the leg faces for and aft compared to a eproms legs that face port and starboard.

I wouldn't think that all ZIF are designed like the junk I have. I know I bought 20, used one and tossed the rest into a drawer. ( One of these days I need to dump the contents of  that drawer )

Now I ask why use a ZIF ?? Oh I know it's a gadget and some folks just have to have the best and lastest gadgets. If you make sure all the pins (legs) of a eprom are straight and aligned with the socket there isn't a whole lot of  chance of breaking a leg. A leg rarely breaks going in or coming out, they break when you have to straighten them because you screw up. ( "screw up" isn't a term I wanted to use )

What is a gadget ?  Wife  A gadget you screw on your bed and it does your house work for you

Coors you beat me in.  But this crap I have when you close the leaver all the pins move to a angle I think if you would solder them to a board the jaws of the ZIF would not close. Maybe a cross eyed China-man designed the ones I have.

 i break a ton of legs lol.....    i def need yo try somekind of zif!!

[PWRSTROKE]

Staz,  That IS ---jacked up---B.

Let me try to clear up what I said. The flat part would be the legs of the ZIF that would be inserted into the board socket. On the ZIFs I have the flat part of the leg faces for and aft compared to a eproms legs that face port and starboard.

I wouldn't think that all ZIF are designed like the junk I have. I know I bought 20, used one and tossed the rest into a drawer. ( One of these days I need to dump the contents of  that drawer )

Now I ask why use a ZIF ?? Oh I know it's a gadget and some folks just have to have the best and lastest gadgets. If you make sure all the pins (legs) of a eprom are straight and aligned with the socket there isn't a whole lot of  chance of breaking a leg. A leg rarely breaks going in or coming out, they break when you have to straighten them because you screw up. ( "screw up" isn't a term I wanted to use )

What is a gadget ?  Wife  A gadget you screw on your bed and it does your house work for you

Coors you beat me in.  But this crap I have when you close the leaver all the pins move to a angle I think if you would solder them to a board the jaws of the ZIF would not close. Maybe a cross eyed China-man designed the ones I have.

 i break a ton of legs lol.....    i def need yo try somekind of zif!!

[Buzz]

On the side of that eprom that I can see, there is absolutely nothing I couldn't repair in 5 minutes are less.

[staz]

Another little trick you can do is install your Base chip onto a brand new socket that's never been soldered to a board. Your just using that new socket as a adaptor, if you by chance break a leg on the adaptor you have lost nothing, the eprom is still OK. Well you did lose the 55 cents that the new socket cost. Let's call this a poor Boy ZIF.

i think im gonna try these..... let me get this straight the sb chip goes in that socket then that socket goes into the socket on the board?? my hardest time with these sb chips is when there brand new....... thats when i have the hardest time getting them in...... my last sb chip took over an hour to get it in...... what a pain in the asss..... the minute i saw it sealed in a bag i knew i was gonna have a hard time with new chip.....