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« on: February 27, 2009, 11:00:03 AM »

I have put together a list of machines and their % returns.
Ideally for the home I think most people want the highest
percent return. Below is what I have in my games. Does
anyone have higher percentages for their machines?
Anything below 92% is less fun that I would like. 92% to
97% are ideal!  Only chip XU2 controls the percentage (but
some games require XU2 and XU3 to be "matched".)

To get the percent return for a Williams slot is pretty easy.
Just open the coin door and press the Diagnostic button
about 14 times.



High Speed, 3 coin, 92%, Las Vegas RN3 juristiction jumper
Jackpot Limbo, 5 coin, 95%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Jackpot Party, 5 coin, 96%, std jurisdiction RN3 jumper (updated 4/09)
Jackpot Stampede, 3 coin, 94% (no juristiction)
Jackpot Stampede Deluxe, 3 coin, 97%, standard juristiction RN3 jumper
Magic Lamp, 2 coin, 94%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Magic Lamp, 3 coin, 88%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Magic Lamp, 5 coin, 88%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Mega Multiplier, 3 coin, 88%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Mermaids Gold, 2 coin, 92%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Mermaids Gold, 3 coin, 92%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Mermaids Treasure, 2 coin, 92%, ? jurisdiction for RN3 jumper
Money to Burn, 5 coin, 92%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumpers
Palace of Riches, 3 coin, 92%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumpers
Perfect Match, 3 coin, 90%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumpers
Pharoah's Fortune, 3 coin, 88%, NJ jurisdiction RN3 jumper
Piggy Banking, 2 coin, 90%, NJ jurisdiction RN3 jumper
Piggy Banking Big Bang, 3 coin, 92%, Las Vegas jurisdiction RN3 jumper
Reel Em In, 3 coin, 92% return, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Riverbelle 21, 3 coin, 92%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Safe Cracker, 2 coin, 92%, Las Vegas juristiction RN3 jumper
Shopping Spree, 2 coin, 92%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Shootin' Stars, 2 coin, 88%, standard juristiction RN3 jumper
Short Circuit, 3 coin, 94%, standard juristiction RN3 jumper
Stroke of Luck, 4 coin, 92%, Las Vegas juristiction RN3 jumper
Winning Streak, 3 coin, 92%, Las Vegas juristiction RN3 jumper
Winning Streak, 5 coin, 90%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
X-Factor, 3 coin, 92%, Las Vegas juristiction RN3 jumper
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 01:27:06 AM »

This is really helpful information. I checked my 3 coin Jackpot Stampede Deluxe and found it contains a 90% . My number is 6990. Where could I get the 97% or 98% chip? Any help would be really appreciated.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2009, 02:29:36 AM »

i think the higher percentage firmware is more fun for
home use machines. that's why i put those stats out there,
as i figured we can all look and see what we have.
i find it interesting. 

What juristiction is your JP Stampede Deluxe? (that
info comes around automatically right after the percentage
is shown).
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2009, 01:12:56 PM »

I just rechecked my machine and it shows 7890 for a 90%. I made an error last night. It then says Jur Stand. I assume this is the jurisdiction, maybe you could help me decipher that. With all this being said I would like to get a higher chip as this is for home use. Any information would be really helpful and appreciated.


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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2009, 02:06:14 PM »

I just rechecked my machine and it shows 7890 for a 90%. I made an error last night. It then says Jur Stand. I assume this is the jurisdiction, maybe you could help me decipher that.
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It is short for Standard. The jurisdiction jumpers on your board are all open (no wires soldered between them).

BTW, Clay, all of my machines are 90% as well. I was beginning to think that Wms never made any higher paying chips for the Dotmations. Thanks for the post. applause
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 02:15:13 PM »

Thanks for  decoding! How and where can we get chips that run 97% or 98% for home users? Can anybody help?
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 08:28:29 PM »

I'm pretty sure my games were all around 90%, too.  I'll have to check next time I turn mine on.  I know all of mine must be the "standard"/Vegas jurisdiction -- I've never had to put a jumper on my board.

Dale, check with some of the vendors at the top of the page -- they may have some of the higher percentage chips available for sale.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2009, 08:49:09 PM »

For my IGT machines I have a number of 98.5% chips. These certainly are not the norm in vegas but occasionally you come up on those signs that say loosest-slots-in-Vegas and they advertise 98.5% payback. Which means they have like 1 machine on premise .... but the higher denomiations do exist.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2009, 10:07:55 PM »

if you want to see about higher percentages email me privately
and we can talk about how to do that.  but the highest percents
i know of are listed in the first post and below.  Now if you have a
machine with a higher percentage than i posted, we definately
need to talk. In particular the games with 88% really need to be
updated to a higher percentage, like Magic lamp 3 and 5 coin.

If anyone has ANY games at 94% or higher we also need to talk.
As you can see from the list below, most everything is at 92%.
Would love to find Perfect Match at a higher percentage, along
with all the "main" titles like Big Bang Piggy, Mermaid Gold,
Winning Streak, etc etc.
Jackpot Stampede Dlx at 97% is quite fun!
And so is JP Party at 96%.
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High Speed, 3 coin, 92%, Las Vegas RN3 juristiction jumper
Jackpot Limbo, 5 coin, 95%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Jackpot Party, 5 coin, 96%, std jurisdiction RN3 jumper (update 4/09)
Jackpot Stampede, 3 coin, 94% (no juristiction)
Jackpot Stampede Deluxe, 3 coin, 97%, standard juristiction RN3 jumper
Magic Lamp, 2 coin, 94%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Magic Lamp, 3 coin, 88%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Magic Lamp, 5 coin, 88%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Mega Multiplier, 3 coin, 88%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Mermaids Gold, 2 coin, 92%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Mermaids Gold, 3 coin, 92%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Mermaids Treasure, 2 coin, 92%, ? jurisdiction for RN3 jumper
Money to Burn, 5 coin, 92%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumpers
Palace of Riches, 3 coin, 92%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumpers
Perfect Match, 3 coin, 90%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumpers
Pharoah's Fortune, 3 coin, 88%, NJ jurisdiction RN3 jumper
Piggy Banking, 2 coin, 90%, NJ jurisdiction RN3 jumper
Piggy Banking Big Bang, 3 coin, 92%, Las Vegas jurisdiction RN3 jumper
Reel Em In, 3 coin, 92% return, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Riverbelle 21, 3 coin, 92%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Safe Cracker, 2 coin, 92%, Las Vegas juristiction RN3 jumper
Shopping Spree, 2 coin, 92%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
Shootin' Stars, 2 coin, 88%, standard juristiction RN3 jumper
Short Circuit, 3 coin, 94%, standard juristiction RN3 jumper
Stroke of Luck, 4 coin, 92%, Las Vegas juristiction RN3 jumper
Winning Streak, 3 coin, 92%, Las Vegas juristiction RN3 jumper
Winning Streak, 5 coin, 90%, NJ juristiction RN3 jumper
X-Factor, 3 coin, 92%, Las Vegas juristiction RN3 jumper
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2009, 11:29:51 PM »

Just bought some CPU boards from a guy and many of them had
EPROMs. One was a Jackpot Party, so I ran the new XU2 chip
and found it was 96% !!  wow that's WAY good.  I've been playing it,
and i would say it seems to hit a lot more than the 92% i was
using before. If anyone needs this 96% chip email me and
i can suggust a vendor to buy the chip from.

Has any one seen Mermaid Gold 3 coin at higher than 92% ?
Magic Lamp 3 coin higher than 88% ?
Perfect Match higher than 90% ?
Big Bang Piggy higher than 92% ?
Winning Streak 3 coin higher than 92% ?
Money to burn higher than 92% ?

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