another issue...the machine from hell..BV comm error now

[JimSlot]

I'm working on a Bally 6000.  The problem is that the BV is not communicating correctly.  I keep getting a '29' error.  Here is what I've done so far:

1. changed BV with a known working one.  It still gets the '29' error
2. tried the 'non-workng' BV in another 6000 and it works fine
3. checked and tested dip switches on main board.  performed continuity test on dip 2 switches 5 and 6 - both work fine.
4. dip switches are as follows dip1 - on,on,off,on,on,on,off,on   dip 2 - off,off,on,off,on,off,on,on   dip 3 - off,on,on,on,on,on,on,on
5. checked continuity of the harness from BV to plug for PCB in the back - all fine
6. the switch that detects cashbox door open has been checked and is fine.  It is also taped closed (simulating cash door closed)
7. I've done several clears and pulled out and pushed in the BV many times with same result - error '29'
8. dip switches on BV are all off.
9. The BV keeps cycling and then gives error '29'

Does anyone have any suggestions on what to try next before I switch the main board?   If I need to switch to another main board, do I need to switch the game chips in sockets 18 and 20 between the boards?  Does I need to switch anything else?? The differences between my two 6000 machines is that the non-working BV machine has a progressive and a single pay line.  The working BV machine does not have progressive and it has a diamond pay line.

THANKS!

Jim

[DF777]

Check the connection at the left rear where the bill transporter plugs in.

[JimSlot]

Thanks for the reply.  I checked the connection and it was good.  I took out reel 3 and even unscrewed the connector and plugged it in by hand and still error 29.  I believe the BV can be ruled out since both BV work in my other 6000 machine.  I checked the continuity of the cable and every wire was fine.

[DF777]

Try switching the cables from the BV to the backplane.

[JimSlot]

Ok - I'll try that next.

In the meantime, I thought I'd start from scratch and do another clear and record it.

The video is here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v49tbmlepv3namb/BV_after_clear.MOV

Here is a video after reseating the BV:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nf1qh9hudlrti5k/BV_after_reseating.MOV

Jim

[JimSlot]

I switched the cable from the BV to the backplane  PCB and the error '29' still occurs  

So I have the cash box door switch closed permanently and the cash box in to push the two plastic tabs up through the BV optics - as I'd expect.   This produces a '29' error.  If I remove the cash box and push the tabs up by hand, I get a '27' error.  This is a bill jam error and there is definitely no jam.  Does pushing these tabs up by hand normally produce a '27' error??

Anyone have any other suggestions before an mpu switch?  Also, does anyone know if I HAVE to switch the game chips when switching the mpu just for this test?

Thanks

[lindam1]

I don't think there is an issue with your BV. I think you may have a bad cash can and or an issue with the BV door switch. I always have a boat load of cash cans on hand so I just keep swapping them til I get one that works. Your 27 & 29 errors are not that common, especially the 29. a little baffling.

[JimSlot]

Thanks for your response.

Both of my cash cans work in my other 6000 and I used the BV cable and cash can switch of the working machine and I still cant get this thing to work.  I really don't want to start messing with my mpu that works but I don't think I have anything else to try

Jim

[lindam1]

I really don't think it's an MPU issue. More often then not we miss something really dumb right in the area of the problem. Have you double checked all your dip switch settings on the MPU? If you were a little closer I'd say just bring it here and we'd figure it out. It drives me nuts when I can't fix one over the net !!

[slotsteve]

could be dirty or bad  dip switch

[JimSlot]

lindam1,

How far in NE PA are you??  I'm in lower bucks county.

I would like to be able to stop by to figure this out!

Jim

[JimSlot]

Hi Steve-

Thanks for the reply.

I pulled the mpu board out and checked the continuity of the dip switch - all seemed fine.

Thanks,

Jim

[lindam1]

Jim,

Around Carbondale

[JimSlot]

Darn...that's 2 1/2 hrs

[CVslots]

WTH is 6 hours (2.5x2 for drive home and time BSing....versus 48-72 hours on here?)

[Jim]

code 50-29   is  a bill  acceptor communication error.   I think your dip switch settings could be wrong.  DS2 denomination  1-4  yours is set for .25,  there is another setting for just 25, I don't know what the difference is.   DS-2  5-6  are the bill acceptor   yours is set for JCM   WBA.   DS-3  is for Market code jurisdiction,  1-4, 7-8.  I don't see any thing that matches your settings.

I would compare the two and change according and see  what happens.

 
Jim

[JimSlot]

Jim,

Thanks for the response -

I wanted the machine set to .25  I think the setting for 25 means $25 and my 1-4 switches are set to off,off,on,off, which should be .25

I have a WBA-13-SS so the DS switch settings 5 (on) and 6 (off) should be correct and I checked the dip switches to make sure the ON/OFF works.  They checked out fine.

My DS3 settings should be a code 01, which in NJ.  All DS3 switches are ON except switch 1.  I think that's set correctly.

The dip switch settings on both MPUs are the same.

sheesh, this is driving me nuts!

Jim
 

[JimSlot]

WTH is 6 hours (2.5x2 for drive home and time BSing....versus 48-72 hours on here?)

HA - that's true!  And I would certainly be able to get it fixed   I'm going to try to persevere through this though, hopefully with a lot of help of folks on this forum, until I see those green arrows!!

[Jim]

As for the settings on DS3   your post #1  has them listed on, all the rest off. 

there are only two items left, the board and the backplane itself.  the only way to eliminate is to swap them out, one at a time.


Jim

[JimSlot]

As for the settings on DS3   your post #1  has them listed on, all the rest off. 

there are only two items left, the board and the backplane itself.  the only way to eliminate is to swap them out, one at a time.

Jim

Good catch- yeah, I had the first post backward on the DS3. I fixed the post

I was afraid that I was going to have to swap out the mpu and/or backplane

Can you tell me if I have to switch the game chips on the mpu if I wanted to use it as a test only?

Thanks,
Jim

[lindam1]

More food for thought. BV must be an 003 for Bally. 024 is for IGT.

[FORDSBS]

If you try all that you were told,  try swapping out the housing for bill acceptor & cash can. Worth a try if all else failed to fix.

[slotsteve]

More food for thought. BV must be an 003 for Bally. 024 is for IGT.

both dbv work in his other bally so they are 03 , I still say dip sw or harness from cash can

[JimSlot]

More food for thought. BV must be an 003 for Bally. 024 is for IGT.

both dbv work in his other bally so they are 03 , I still say dip sw or harness from cash can

I switched the harness from my other machine and still got error 29. I think I'll attempt the mpu swap today and see how that goes

Speaking of the harness, the only thing connected to the BV is made in the left rear, right?  The harness goes from the backplane to the BV connector and to the cash can door switch, right??

Thanks
Jim

[slotsteve]

yes your right on  harness