LCD Upgrade

[2Moons]

Hello All
Has any one tried one of these upgrade kits on a 7000 upright?
Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks 2Moons

[Tbone]

They sure do cost a lot!! $566.25 + shipping....Ouch!!

[StatFreak]

Hello All
Has any one tried one of these upgrade kits on a 7000 upright?
Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks 2Moons

I asked that question a couple of months ago and got no answer. I would also like feedback from someone who has tried this unit. Personally, I would like to know the degree of improvement in the color and detail of the graphics, since the resolution can never exceed the actual images stored in the graphics files (and I don't know what that resolution is).

[midas]

The improvement in picture quality is like night & day.  Though I haven't upgraded my GM to LCD (I have a digital monitor in it),  I have upgraded my Game Kings to LCD.  No more fuzzy images, washed out colors, waiting for the monitor to warm up.  I can actually read the small print in the diagnostic and setting screens.  And the LCD runs cool, not nearly the heat buildup like from a CRT.

[StatFreak]

Thanks for the information Midas, however, the results with the Game King will not necessarily correlate to the GameMaker because the graphic chips, the code within them and the resolution of the stored images will be different. If there is insufficient resolution or the color palettes are limited, then the results will be less spectacular. You mentioned that you have a digital monitor in your GameMaker. How much improvement do you see over a standard CRT?

[midas]

The digital monitor in the Gamemaker is a vast improvement over the stock CRT I had in it before.  It's just as sharp as an LCD, but it's subject to burn in.  Colors and images are chrisper than the stock CRT. 
LCD is the way to go.  and at $500 from Happ, it's a fair price.

I do have an extra Game King LCD 19" upright monitor with LCD monitor bezel that I'm selling for $419 plus shipping.

[StatFreak]

Thanks again Midas, and K+ for your help.

[Hokiehog]

All,

I did the upgrade about 3 months ago (same one).  It's an improvement over the old CRT monitor.  Now to face reality, it's still a 10+ year old computer throwing so-so graphics on a perfect monitor, but it is head and shoulders better... Not sure if I would spend $600 again though (That's the price of a pinball machine I want in my house )

Any questions, let me know.. it was stupid simple to install

HH

[StatFreak]

Can you post a decent-sized picture or two?

[2Moons]

Hello All
I bit the bullet & ordered the LCD upgrade from Happ. I received it today & installed it in less than 10 minutes. The stock CRT and the LCD replacement are not in the same league. there was  a big big improvement in the color and detail of the graphics. I like it a lot. The closest thing i have to a complaint is it cost a lot of money. I would recommend this upgrade to any one.
I can't imagine any one not being happy with the big improvement.
2Moons

[stayouttadabunker]

Wow! Your wallet must be thinner....lol 
Can we see a short clip of it or some pics?

[StatFreak]

Thanks 2Moons for posting your review of the LCD, and K+ to you.

[aeroslave]

Ok, I have decided to try and switch a Gamemaker or two over to LCD.
I don't have the funds to buy one of these fancy kits so I am trying to do it myself.
Ebay had some 15" lcd monitors for $30 each and I got a CGA- RGA TO VGA CONVERTER too.
Now the converter has 6 pins for various inputs with two connection options.

Does anyone know which of the many wires on the CRT harness to use to get one of these boards to run?

[recroom1401]

I just installed the new 17" LCD upgrade on a 2003 GameMaker. Very straight forward. Just pull out the crt, slip in the LCD. You then must change the bezel on the door but that is supplied in the kit. Actually changing the bezel is the hardest part and that is easy.

[tjkeller]

   recroom1401  (I see you've been with us a few months but this is your 1st post)




Thanks for sharing how your LCD conversion went.

[ROCKET]

Ok, I have decided to try and switch a Gamemaker or two over to LCD.
I don't have the funds to buy one of these fancy kits so I am trying to do it myself.
Ebay had some 15" lcd monitors for $30 each and I got a CGA- RGA TO VGA CONVERTER too.
Now the converter has 6 pins for various inputs with two connection options.

Does anyone know which of the many wires on the CRT harness to use to get one of these boards to run?

ok I'm going to bite this one . i see what you have said and what you have purchased to convert the game maker to LCD .

you forgot to mention the touch screen ??  now did the LCD you purchased for 30.00 bucks come with the touch screen ??

also I am not a bally expert by any means of the word expert . WHAT TOUCH SCREEN PLATFORM BESIDES 3M MICRO TOUCH

has anybody tried using on it on a CRT REPLACEMENT ?? OR A LCD RETRO FIT ??
will the bally work with a "ELO " TOUCH SCREEN ??

there are alot of variables in this puzzle of swapping crt units to LCD'S

NOW A AREA THAT I DO HAVE LOADS OF EXPERIENCE IS TOUCH SCREENS !! BOTH 3M MICRO TOUCH  & ELO .
Ican post pictures of a CRT TOUCH SCREEN in a machine or on test bench !!

that will SMOKE ANY LCD IMAGE OUT THERE !! FROM 15-INCH CRT'S TO 19 " CRT'S that can be seen from any angle clearly
and the colors are far superior than the LCD .. there from HYUNDI CRT FLAT SCREEN UNITS WITH KODAK P-S4 EQUIPPED MONITORS ..

dont forget the game video software was designed around using a CRT to begin with .. now for non believers later i will post pictures  . most likely under MEGATOUCH  OR POT OF GOLD  the old saying some old fart on the forum said once ?/
if it aint broke dont fix it .. there is alot of truth in that ..

[memusa]

I have 12 of those kits installed and let me tell you they look like new machines.... But one weirdo customer last week broke one.... 
Now I have to deal a new flat 15" touch screen.... and replace it.

[memusa]

Here a couple of pictures.....

[memusa]

More pics...

[memusa]

Thanks to my boss.... now I don't have o deal with the @#$!^& Kristel's, segai, wells Gardner's monitors too  much horizontal problems as they age up. I have to admit that Ceronix ones are not on my the black list 

[stayouttadabunker]

Good Job Memusa!
Thanks for showing us your machines!
That's the first time I've ever seen an "L" in front of the 15,000 on the progressive display!
Does that mean "Lira's" ?

[memusa]

L stands for "Lira's" as well as for "Lempiras" 
I work for a Casino located in Honduras, so to display a more attractive amount in the display .... I place in the symbol filed.... "L". But the symbol for our currency is "Lps." but looks fine the "L" symbol don't you think? I was carefull in programing the game maker with a "blank" currency cause in our location there's always someone arguing that the machines displays the "$" sign an wants to get it's handpays in dollars.......... even if he played in lempiras

[jdkmunch]

Thanks for the pics!


The machines look great.

[aeroslave]

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ok I'm going to bite this one . i see what you have said and what you have purchased to convert the game maker to LCD .

you forgot to mention the touch screen ??  now did the LCD you purchased for 30.00 bucks come with the touch screen ??

also I am not a bally expert by any means of the word expert . WHAT TOUCH SCREEN PLATFORM BESIDES 3M MICRO TOUCH

has anybody tried using on it on a CRT REPLACEMENT ?? OR A LCD RETRO FIT ??
will the bally work with a "ELO " TOUCH SCREEN ??

there are alot of variables in this puzzle of swapping crt units to LCD'S

NOW A AREA THAT I DO HAVE LOADS OF EXPERIENCE IS TOUCH SCREENS !! BOTH 3M MICRO TOUCH  & ELO .
Ican post pictures of a CRT TOUCH SCREEN in a machine or on test bench !!

that will SMOKE ANY LCD IMAGE OUT THERE !! FROM 15-INCH CRT'S TO 19 " CRT'S that can be seen from any angle clearly
and the colors are far superior than the LCD .. there from HYUNDI CRT FLAT SCREEN UNITS WITH KODAK P-S4 EQUIPPED MONITORS ..

dont forget the game video software was designed around using a CRT to begin with .. now for non believers later i will post pictures  . most likely under MEGATOUCH  OR POT OF GOLD  the old saying some old fart on the forum said once ?/
if it aint broke dont fix it .. there is alot of truth in that ..


[/quote]

Thanks for the help Rocket,

I got two 15" monitors the first one does not have a touchscreen, my plan has been to first try and salvage the touch sensor part out of one of my old CRT Gamemakers.
Just in case I can't get the touchscreen to peel off I also got a 15 ELO with a touchscreen. Unfortunately it came today and UPS used it as a beach ball....it is going to have to be replaced.
Now with the ELO I will run into my next problem which is going from a USB touchscreen to a serial input on the Gamemakers.

Now that I have to find yet another monitor I am wondering if I should cut away some of the metal and try to fit a 17" in.
If anyone out there has tried any of this I would love some tips.
Also I don't care if they are LCD's I just want to swap out these crummy old burnt in 13" CRTs and get bigger better and more modern looking screens.


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[ROCKET]

ok just so you know you will never EVER EVER EVER get the touch screen OFF THE GAME MAKER CRT .
THEY ARE PUT ON WITH EPOXY.  YOU WILL REMOVE THE GLASS OF MONITOR BEFORE THE TOUCHSCREEN COMES OFF !!LOL

THIS HAS BEEN TRIED COUNTLESS TIMES
its not like a arcade game or a williams monitor etc that use 3m double sided tape .then just blast it with the hair dryer to loosen up the tape and slide in old hack saw blade or slim jim and work it off ..
THE GAME MAKER TOUCH SCREEN IS THERE FOR KEEPS !!
Rocket