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« Reply #100 on: October 20, 2009, 08:20:55 PM »
dabunker are your bearings (627Z) out of a 5500 If so the same bearings are used in a S6000. A faucet handle puller also works good to pull the bearing off the shaft.  Here a clearer pic of the bearings.    Mike

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« Reply #101 on: October 20, 2009, 09:08:26 PM »
Here is my reel sound on a Bally 6000 -

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/mOBoy6OVXlM&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/mOBoy6OVXlM&rel=0</a>

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« Reply #102 on: October 20, 2009, 09:19:45 PM »
Quote from: daddy2yea on October 20, 2009, 03:52:40 PM
Volt readings
TP1  +5v  My reading +5
TP2 +12v  My reading +12
TP3  -12v   My reading -11
TP4 +24v  My reading  +22
TP5 7.5vac  My reading 6vac
O.K., other than the 7.5 being questionably low (should be over 7), which I would think would affect all reels, instead of just 1, the rest seem in the ballpark.  I will review the schematic of the main board again.

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« Reply #103 on: October 20, 2009, 10:40:59 PM »
Quote from: daddy2yea on October 20, 2009, 08:20:55 PM
dabunker are your bearings (627Z) out of a 5500 If so the same bearings are used in a S6000. A faucet handle puller also works good to pull the bearing off the shaft.  Here a clearer pic of the bearings.    Mike

Yes,
The motor and bearings were out of a 5500...so that's cool!
Don't buy the motors John on ebay was selling...his are 24volts motors okay?
Did you hear that guy's motor when he was spinning the black zip tie?
His sounds just like these and JDK's reels.
I've come to a conclusion pretty much...
the bearings MAY help but I'm not too sure...
I am just going to buy two new bearings , install them and see if they quiet down the motor when it's all back together.
What do you think?

ADD>>> now I gotta go buy a faucet handle puller...lol
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« Reply #104 on: October 20, 2009, 10:48:16 PM »
JDK,
thanks a lot for putting your short video clip up for us to compare! Hail applause
Sounds like mine really...and a little like that guys motors too.
I'm starting to think they all sound like that...just that some are louder than other others?
Also, the faster they spin, the louder they are...
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« Reply #105 on: October 20, 2009, 11:33:45 PM »
I to am going to put in new bearings. So it will be interesting to see if it helps. Maybe your right maybe they all make that noise some just louder than other.
But why. Not knowing why is driving me CRAZY arrow    Did you notice how quite a69mopar machines were except for the last(IN THE MONEY) one which
sound like ours, but not as loud.  Mike
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« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2009, 12:25:35 AM »
Yes,
I noticed that...but I also noticed that JDK's 2nd video was much louder than his 1st one...
also that video of that guy playing with two different stepper motors...
his 1st motor was much quieter than the second motor he was playing with.
Depends on how far away you are with the camera and
I'm still wondering if some of these machines lost the rubber around their doors too.
I know S+'s have them around the doors.
Serves 3  purposes really, blocks the light from coming out through the various little gaps here and there.
Acts as a little sound barrier, and keeps customers from trying to poke things into the cabinet.
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« Reply #107 on: October 21, 2009, 12:37:59 AM »
Mark I might have missed a reply if  I did well here it goes again  Don't heat the bearing with a torch !!  If you feel it must be heated put it in a oven.  If the old one came off pretty easy, freezing the shaft should do the trick.
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« Reply #108 on: October 21, 2009, 01:28:52 AM »
The bearings were actually pretty easy to remove Buzz.
When I get new bearings, I will throw the shaft into the refrigerator freezer...LOL
We all learned quite a bit today about stepper bearings and found places to get them.
I remember putting my motorcycle motor bearings in the fridge once and
my girlfriend thought I was being strange...LOL
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« Reply #109 on: October 21, 2009, 10:38:08 AM »
Quote from: stayouttadabunker on October 21, 2009, 01:28:52 AM
The bearings were actually pretty easy to remove Buzz.
When I get new bearings, I will throw the shaft into the refrigerator freezer...LOL
We all learned quite a bit today about stepper bearings and found places to get them.
I remember putting my motorcycle motor bearings in the fridge once and
my girlfriend thought I was being strange...LOL


That's better than putting your golf balls in the fridge! frying pan
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« Reply #110 on: October 21, 2009, 11:26:02 AM »
Oh, That's nothing...I  once put my cellphone in the kitchen cupboard
behind the peanut butter... rotflmao ...the small jelly jar was in my car... arrow
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« Reply #111 on: October 21, 2009, 02:00:24 PM »
BEARING ALERT  Not all 627zz are the same.   Standard tolerance is C3 if you look at the bearing you should see C2 after the 627z number which means presion tolerance. So the 627zz that are in skates are not the same as the 627zz that are in are stepper motor. I got Grainger looking for the proper bearing with the proper tolerance. I Will report back with what I find.     MIke
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« Reply #112 on: October 21, 2009, 03:12:34 PM »
It's too bad that Bally tech just can't clear this up with a simple "Yay" or "Nay" to the stepper motor issue. But they don't support home users so the issue is moot. I wonder if Bally reconditions their stepper motors or do the slot techs at a casino work down to that level? Scratch Head
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« Reply #113 on: October 21, 2009, 05:01:59 PM »
Quote from: reho33 on October 21, 2009, 03:12:34 PM
It's too bad that Bally tech just can't clear this up with a simple "Yay" or "Nay" to the stepper motor issue. But they don't support home users so the issue is moot. I wonder if Bally reconditions their stepper motors or do the slot techs at a casino work down to that level? Scratch Head

I doubt that it's cost effective for either to do so. They are almost certainly tossed and replaced if necessary -- and a slightly (or not so slightly) noisy reel would not likely be considered a necessary reason by any casino. It would most likely need to be causing an unclearable tilt or be non-functional for replacement to be in order.
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« Reply #114 on: October 21, 2009, 06:10:10 PM »
I agree, it just isn't cost effective to repair at the micro-level unless the part might not be available anymore and the machine has to be kept in service.
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« Reply #115 on: October 21, 2009, 10:10:00 PM »
Not to mention the fact that you probably can't hear most of them in the casino with all of the other background noise!!!
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« Reply #116 on: October 21, 2009, 10:18:51 PM »
CaptainHappy is 100% correct.  The noise level in a casino is off the chart.  I have to strain to hear the reel sound.  I am so in tune to the sound that I listen for it now int the casino.
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« Reply #117 on: October 21, 2009, 11:47:06 PM »
Mike,
   If you think the "In The Money" sounds like yours, then close the door and try to enjoy your machine.  That machine is much quieter than most I've seen and the noise can't be heard through the door.  The other two are low mileage and extremely quiet for stepper reels.  Hopefully the bearings will help to take away enough noise, however in your case, all of your reels made the noise, but only when in the 4th reel position, I guess if all the bearings are bad, it could do this as the 4th reel is often a little noiser that the others.  I measured the actual voltage on a machine and from top to bottom got 5.3, 12.6, -11.6, 21.4, 7.3ac  .  I looked at the schematic and still wonder about the Rp17 and the U13, this is the reel sense port.  I look at other chips on the board to swap, but the resistor is a lot tougher.  If it were here, I'd swap the board, or the power supply to see if it was better with a known good one, then get into the bad part after I narrowed it down.  I know you just have 1 machine so that's not possible, so we'll work together to see what can be done.

Thanks,
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« Reply #118 on: October 22, 2009, 06:53:20 PM »
I've swapped out the kit to my new Triple Bonus Frenzy.

Here's what it sounds like:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/kPLMLgTTOaY&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/kPLMLgTTOaY&rel=0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/OIte6jR1wag&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/OIte6jR1wag&rel=0</a>
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« Reply #119 on: October 22, 2009, 06:57:04 PM »
The funny thing is, I swapped out the reels with known quiet reels with no change in the grinding sound. 

In a machine with a 3 reel kit they ran stealth - now those same reels in a 4 reel setup sound like the video. 
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« Reply #120 on: October 22, 2009, 06:59:55 PM »
Can you swap the 3rd noisy reel to the first reel position to have less spin time on the noisy reel?

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« Reply #121 on: October 22, 2009, 07:03:07 PM »
I tried - that doesn't make a difference.  It's exactly the same situation.    I'm thinking along with Wayne that it's a power issue.  I have a bunch of power packs I can try.
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« Reply #122 on: October 22, 2009, 07:19:15 PM »
The 4 reel machines are usually noisier, just turn up the sound  Tongue Out .

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« Reply #123 on: October 22, 2009, 07:21:31 PM »
I agree  - it doesn't bother me a bit with the door closed and the sound a bit louder.   yes
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« Reply #124 on: October 22, 2009, 10:23:34 PM »
Here it is with the correct sound card installed and door closed:   

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nwiIID2HMzg&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/nwiIID2HMzg&rel=0</a>
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