Bally S6000 noisy reel

[daddy2yea]

I just remembered...I never placed an order for any bearings...ARGHH!
 Where'd you order yours from again?

I ordered mine from www.vxb.com because I couldn't find anybody that had a C2 bearing. Although the guy that e-mailed you from Director of Government & Aerospace Sales probably could get an 627zz C2 bearing. I may call him myself.  Mike

[stayouttadabunker]

Thanks daddy! 
I'm gonna order some...

[jdkmunch]

I just remembered...I never placed an order for any bearings...ARGHH!
 Where'd you order yours from again?

Man I was waiting for the results too!!  My guess is that you'll have spectacular results.

[stayouttadabunker]

Okay,
I just finish doing a test I've never tried before.
I took apart another reel motor and removed the bearings.
I put them in my somewhat noisy reel casing and re-assembled the whole thing and
re-installed it in the machine in the 3rd spot.
I ran about 60 pulls and really don't hear any difference.
It doesn't sound any quieter really.
I pulled all the strips off and ran the machine for like 30 more pulls.
It was only a touch quieter, if any.
I stuck a stethoscope to the side of the each reels' motor casing
to try to listen/pinpoint more closely the sounds coming from the steppers.
It really doesn't sound like anything "scraping" or "grinding".
The "whine" sound is more of an electronic high pitched buzzing sound.
Like opposite of the low hum you would hear from high power overhead
utility tower lines out in the field not too far from my home.
Secondly,
The optics that the inner reel rides thru is deathly close to rubbing...
I thought that the sound might be the slits in the inner basket
ever so slightly touching the "tuning forks" of the board optics.
But, unfortunately it wasn't touching at all...even though it's real close in proximity.
I'm going to finally conclude that I don't know if I can ever get this reel to run "stealthily" as I had hoped for.
I inspected the old bearing closely and sacrificed it.
I removed the "shield" from it hoping to find a trace of some type of grease.
There was! But what kind I don't know what kind of grease.
So my guess, and only a guess, is this>>>
It's very possible that there was some type of grease inside the ball bearings when they come out of the factory.
But over the years, through the dry heat inside of these machines, the grease dried up?
Sadly when I took the "shield" off, I destroyed it and
I really don't have the correct tools to put it back together the way it should.
I'm hoping that when the new bearings come in, we'll have better luck in quieting this reel down.
The new bearings I'm fairly certain will come will new bearing grease and run smoother,
thus reducing the stepper motor noise.

 

[StatFreak]

...
The "whine" sound is more of an electronic high pitched buzzing sound.
Like opposite of the low hum you would hear from high power overhead
utility tower lines out in the field not too far from my home.
...

I'm concerned that at the end of the day, the noise may be part of the normal function of a stepper motor and that the construction and speed of this particular motor causes it to produce a noise in a frequency range that is more annoying than its counterparts.

Still, I hope that I'm wrong and that the new bearing quiets the reel down. There might be a run on bearings if it works.

[stayouttadabunker]

Believe me...I'm not buying too many bearings right now...LOL
Just 2 !

[reho33]

To be honest, even though I had done the fix for noisy reels, they are still a bit noisy The machine I have does not have a rubber stripping around the door or frame. Maybe if car door stripping was installed aroung the door and the frame, it would cut the noise a bunch? Maybe sound absorbing material installed on the inside of the machine would help too (like a sound studio wall type material?)

[stayouttadabunker]

earplugs?...


(just kidding)


Noise battens would certainly help but it better be fireproofed!
I stick some rubber around the door edges...might help.
I would consider trying to obtain another set of reels and
swapping them around trying to find the quietest combo.

[reho33]

But again, someone here said that in a noisy enviroment like a casino floor, it dont matter. To be honest, I just like playing the game as it is, noise is not a factor. But in the original poster's case, it was annoying, and had to be stopped. The reels are evil and must be punished!

[StatFreak]

reho33, I like your out of the box idea of insulating the box. Home game rooms are much quieter than casinos and insulating the machine might help in some cases.

[reho33]

Stat, could one get weather stripping and place it around the doors and frame? I would think that it would have to be thin as the door optics could not be disturbed.

[StatFreak]

Stat, could one get weather stripping and place it around the doors and frame? I would think that it would have to be thin as the door optics could not be disturbed.

I've never considered it. As far as the optics, one could just leave that area uninsulated. I think that there would still be a lot of sound leakage through the reel glass; I don't know what one could do to quiet that. It's possible that sound absorbing material placed strategically inside the slot might help, but I'm not an acoustics engineer. It might be interesting to experiment and see what materials, if any, help, and what placements make a difference.

[a69mopar]

Stepper motors in any machine produce noise, I do think as the motor ages that it increases slightly, however having a voltage that is below spec could also increase the noise level.  I'm sure the bearings have some bearing on the noise level  I had to say that , however i doubt new bearings will create silence.  4 reel machines are generally noiser also.  The vlume control can help.

Thanks,
Wayne

[stayouttadabunker]

I have no bearings on when my bearings will be in, but I'm bearing on them arriving in time...

[jdkmunch]

ohhhh the sound -  I love the sound the machine makes when you get a large hit.  It builds up momentum!!

bliss

[daddy2yea]

Got my new bearings  today but I have nothing to report. Why you ask?  Because they sent me two different bearings one right one wrong.
I call and the lady giggled when she realized their mistake apologize and said she will put a new bearing in the mail right away.  I'm liking the new ideas
while not a fix a good workaround. I thinking of an inner reel strip maybe wrapped around legs where the reel snaps together of a felt cloth like material to insulate the motor noise from the  reel strip. I know it sounds far fetched, but it may work.  As long as we are thinking outside of the box I figured I would just jump off.  I'll let you know how it works.  Once again thanks for all the input. 
   Mike

[reho33]

How about some really thin felt under the reel strip motor bracket between the frame and where it slides in? That would act as a vibration damper (I think)
The troll under the bridge ...........

[Krzysztofgolec]

Hi everybody !
I just bought recently Bally 6000 Bonus Frenzy slot machine. It has a problem noise with reels, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. I exchange motor from first to fourth and noise went down a lot, bearly u could hear it(after 2nd and 3rd reels stopped). So i am waiting for one of You with replacing the bearings, see if it helps if not i guess have to buy new motors, but just where You can get them ?. Thanks
Chris

[jdkmunch]

I've found that if my machine is on for a few hours the sound goes away! 
It must warm up or something.

[Krzysztofgolec]

My stay on full day today, noise still there.
I have question. I have new whole board with  stepping motor on it. I install on 4th reel and shows error 40. Open and lock door (reset), still shows error 40 and reel spins all the time. What to do ?. Anybody knows. Maybe could do reel test, but how to proceed with the test all the way to the end ?, Any suggestions will be aprecciated !. Thanks !.
Chris

[daddy2yea]

OK Krzysztofgolec couple of questions foe you.  After you put in the new board with stepping motor and got the error did you put the old board and motor to see if the error goes away?  Do you have an S6000 manual?  Can you post a video of noise? Also it helps if you fill out your profile so we know where your at.
As far as replacing the bearings it didn't solve the noise problem that posted, but I did have a reel motor that started making a grinding noise and it fixed that.
Also in your first post you said  "I exchange motor from first to fourth and noise went down a lot, barely u could hear it(after 2nd and 3rd reels stopped" so I have to ask why not leave it that way?    Mike

[Krzysztofgolec]

Yes Daddy2yea, I replaced new board with old one and error goes away. I have 6000 manual, it only says to press test buton and release when 5d shows up to test reels. But does not say how to proceed further and how to ended so I afraid I may screw up something. Unfortunetly I do not know how to post a video. I have a video camera and also can record on my phone but I think I would have to some how make file smaller to upload to my comp and then later somewhow to online. OK I see below that I can attached some files, I will try it to record when machine is spinning. But I saw somebodys clip here on this post with noise and my is the same.I did not leave first motor on fourth reel beacuse second reel and third are making a noise. I fill up my profile more. Thanks for response Daddy2yea !.

[daddy2yea]

OK  Krzysztofgolec,  As far as finishing the test, all you have to do is close the door.  If the machine can not boot up without the error, I don't know if you can get to the test or not.  If you can get to test #5 (reel function test), the manual says that if you hold down the change button when entering test #5, it initiates a reel calibration and stores the reel stop center position in safeRAM.  This may solve the problem being that error 40 is a reel initiation error.  You said you watched the video on this post that had a noise similar to yours - whose video did you watch?  To post a video to this site, first upload your video to YouTube and then insert the link in your post.  That's all for now.  Will not be able to respond tomorrow (Saturday) because I will be in Atlantic City.  Good Luck!  Keep us posted.  Mike

[Krzysztofgolec]

Mike thank You very much for input. When I will have time, I will put new board with motor and proceed nwith reel calibration. Will see what going to happen. Will post You guys!. Have all great weekend !. Chris

[Krzysztofgolec]

Hi Everyone !.
Could not login in for a few days. I give up on my noise from stepper motors. I think best would be to buy new 4 motors, safe ram clear chips, install all motors, do partial safe ram clear, and hope would solve problem.