IGAME Jackpot to Credit option...

[CaptainHappy]

Hi Folks,

I am trying to see how to set up the Jackpot to Credit option on an IGAME, and thought that I would ask first if anyone has done it before. The main reason that I want this feature ( other than learning something new ) is so that if a handpay condition occurs I can turn an ADDED Reset Key to have the handpay amount go to the credit meter, rather than disappearing, or printing a Jackpot Ticket. My machine used to just erase the credits after the attendant reset key was turned when it was set up with Poker Software. My machine currently has Deep Pockets (Thanks again to Jim at Blueridge! ) installed, and I have it set up to print a Jackpot Ticket when the reset switch is turned. (Pretty Cool for Guests who hit BIG!!) For me personally I have always wanted to have the credits go to the meter so that my bankroll gets bigger!!!  (I can't cash in the tickets YET!!!!)(Yes I am Dreaming!)

I think I can figure out the machine settings, the first thing that I am wondering about is installing a second keyswitch... Putting it in is not a problem, I just have not figured out where to connect it to yet!  Does anyone know where and how it hooks up??? I thought I would try the easy route and ask here first before digging into a bunch of docs! Why reinvent the wheel??? 

I think that alot of people will want and like this feature if we get this figured out, so I posted the idea here, now I just want to get it to work! (This may be a S2000 option as well, I will have to look into that also!!! )

CaptainHappy
  ADMIN

HERE IS SOME STUFF ON THE SOFTWARE SIDE:

Jackpot to Credit

The purpose of this feature is to minimize the number of jackpot hand pays
that must be made with high denomination machines. To use this feature, a
second reset key must be installed on the machine.

Jackpots can be reset to the credit meter only if the following conditions are
met: the win is equal to or greater than the lower jackpot limit, the win is
less than the upper jackpot limit, and current credits plus the win is equal to
or less than the credit limit. In the W2-G Setup menu, if the reset option is
configured to CONTROLLED BY SAS, the jackpot cannot be reset until
authorization is sent to the machine by the SAS system, and the operator
must turn the second reset key to place the win on the credit meter. If the
reset option is set to WHENEVER ELIGIBLE, the operator can turn the first
reset key to hand pay the win or turn the second reset key to reset it to the
credit meter. Whenever the jackpot does not meet the eligibility
requirements, the operator must hand pay it.

[CaptainHappy]

I poured through the schematics for the mpu and motherboard till my eyes got blurry. The jackpot reset switch seems to go to the same connector as the jackpot bell, but it does not have any connection for a second reset switch! I found one signal that is called sreset, and I wonder if that could be it, meaning second reset? Anyone have any thoughts here?

Any of our casino folks able to check out one of their machines that have both reset switches, and trace the wires for me??? 

Thanks in advance! 

CH

[stayouttadabunker]

Not owning an I-Game but having a pretty good idea now how IGT sets up their stuff...
I'd say that the "sreset" is the one you need!
I'd run one "live" wire to that from a momentary switch and another to ground.
Use the test options to test it and you should be good to go!

[StatFreak]

Stout, have you come across any concept of this on an old S+? It would be a nice feature to add.

[a69mopar]

I suggest a little more research prior to grounding anything out.  I'll take a look later tonight to see what I can find out.

Thanks,
Wayne

[stayouttadabunker]

Well, you're right mopar, I should have mentioned that I'd use a
multimeter first to see what is coming out of that wire.
It does sound to me that because there's an output pin labeled as "sreset" then
that would be the one to use for the double reset security option.
and no, I haven't tried to make the double attendant jackpot switch...
I thought it was a pain of an idea for home use really Stat, but very effective for a live casino use.
It's basically just a security feature I'd guess and it really shouldn't be very hard to make on if you wanted.
I'm at home at the moment so I don't have any machines to get into.
Mopar will have an idea for you guys before the weekend is out I'm sure.

[StatFreak]

It would be cool to be able to trip a jackpot "tilt" and still put the credits on the meter, if desired, while still being able to clear them if the meter were already full.

[stayouttadabunker]

Using one of my favorite S+ titles (Double Diamond w/ Haywire)
 That would mean 2,500 credits to the credit display! I'd never play that out!...
Some other titles could have like 10,000 credits or more!...
Some of those I-Games have jackpots like 200,000 don't they?

[StatFreak]

Using one of my favorite S+ titles (Double Diamond w/ Haywire)
 That would mean 2,500 credits to the credit display! I'd never play that out!...
Some other titles could have like 10,000 credits or more!...
Some of those I-Games have jackpots like 200,000 don't they?

Take 5 times pay 3cm, for example. There are numerous payouts ranging from 1500 to 15000 coins. All are rare enough that is is desirable to lock up the machine for the enjoyment of experiencing a "jackpot", but it would be nice to be able to transfer the lower payouts to the credit meter afterward. On the other hand, sometimes these jackpots might hit after several mid-level pays of between 450-900 coins and the meter may already have over 2000 credits. In such a case, it would be better to just clear off the jackpot, as it would when one hit the "big" one, as you say.

If one limits the jackpot lockup on this and some other games to the top prize, most would never see a jackpot lockup in years. That's no fun.
Setting a jackpot lockup limit on a machine that doesn't allow the jackpot credits to be put back on the meter is always an exercise in compromise. It would be cool to have more options.

[stayouttadabunker]

I have my S2000 at home,
I'll look into it tonight and see if it has a double key/credit to display option built in somewhere.
I wonder if anyone has a PSR for an SG000363?

[a69mopar]

I would expect the wiring to be more like in the attached key to credit pdf.  I'm not sure which platform this is for though.  I'll try to look for more later, I have to go out now.

Thanks,
Wayne

[CaptainHappy]

Hey guys,

This setting and option probably means more in the IGAME and Poker world where you tend to cycle more money in at home cause you play these "penny" games at nickle dime and Quarter denominations. On the "standard" reel machines you can feed in a few hundred and play for a long time (figuratively!)before having to open up the door and replant your seed money! I have been playing Deep Pockets and Triple Play Poker on the IGAME machine before, and at nickles and above a couple hundred can be expected to last little to no time at all.

This option for home users would be fun as you can have the thrill of a W2G lockup, and an even greater thrill when the money goes right to the credit meter for more play! Alternatively, it is fun for guests to be able to print their Jackpot Receipt as a souvenier! I think with the right settings in an IGAME machine and the second reset switch you can have the best of both worlds! In a handpay situation turn the first reset key for a handpay... Turn the second switch for the jackpot to credit feature! See the copied text below for this thought:

If the
reset option is set to WHENEVER ELIGIBLE, the operator can turn the first
reset key to hand pay the win or turn the second reset key to reset it to the
credit meter. Whenever the jackpot does not meet the eligibility
requirements, the operator must hand pay it.

This option for the casino could be beneficial. When up in Reno at the Atlantis we used to get W2G eligible jackpots, would wait for an attendant, they would verify the jackpot, a witness attendant or manager would verify, then they would go for the money and paperwork... Your machine sitting in a handpay lockup the whole time... Sometimes on really busy nights you would sit there 30-45 minutes not playing the whole time! Just how much do you think you can load into the machine on Triple Play Poker in that time period??? Recently the Atlantis got smart and started clearing the jackpot and letting you play while you waited for them to come back with the paperwork and jackpot money. What a difference for their coin in on the machine... It got another 30-45 minutes of play while you wait for them to come back with your dough! While you wait for your W2G to come back, playing away, you may need to ask them for a Marker (a casino loan) so that you could try and win your lost jackpots back!  With the second reset key you could lose the money on the machine and the jackpot dough while waiting for your ID and W2G to come back to you! What an insult that would be... W2G and no money to show for it! 

CH

[StatFreak]

...With the second reset key you could lose the money on the machine and the jackpot dough while waiting for your ID and W2G to come back to you! What an insult that would be... W2G and no money to show for it! 

CH

Don't ever play a $100, $500, or $1000 slot machine in earnest. They have to stand next to you to keep track of all of the reported wins, and it's quite likely that you'll leave with nothing to show for them.

[OhioGaming]

Don't know if this will help or not and not sure if it is for jackpot to credit --

I have an S2000 that has a second switch connected to the jackpot reset switch and wired like the pictures Wayne provided. The wire from the second switch is wired to the cabinet I/O board. I do not have image software on this computer to circle the wire but it is the wire that is connected above the "0" (AMP >>0<<-0) .. 4th pin from the end.

[CaptainHappy]

I have my S2000 at home,
I'll look into it tonight and see if it has a double key/credit to display option built in somewhere.
I wonder if anyone has a PSR for an SG000363?

Bunker,



CH

[CaptainHappy]

...With the second reset key you could lose the money on the machine and the jackpot dough while waiting for your ID and W2G to come back to you! What an insult that would be... W2G and no money to show for it! 

CH

Don't ever play a $100, $500, or $1000 slot machine in earnest. They have to stand next to you to keep track of all of the reported wins, and it's quite likely that you'll leave with nothing to show for them.

Never had that problem!  Always wondered why you would want to play in the high denom area... Wow it locked up on single bars!!! (20 coins on most $100 machine! ) alternatively: $1000 gone in 10 pulls, and not even a cherry pay!

CH

[Railroad94]

A little help from our friends,that might help

http://www.myslotnotes.com/WorkPDF/Key%20to%20Credit.pdf

[stayouttadabunker]

railroad,
uh...mopar put that same sheet up earlier on reply #10.
but that's okay- some people sometimes miss links...

[Railroad94]

OOOPS  That what I get for not reading the whole post,maybe because it was Saturday night.   

[jdkmunch]

...With the second reset key you could lose the money on the machine and the jackpot dough while waiting for your ID and W2G to come back to you! What an insult that would be... W2G and no money to show for it! 

CH

Don't ever play a $100, $500, or $1000 slot machine in earnest. They have to stand next to you to keep track of all of the reported wins, and it's quite likely that you'll leave with nothing to show for them.

Never had that problem!  Always wondered why you would want to play in the high denom area... Wow it locked up on single bars!!! (20 coins on most $100 machine! ) alternatively: $1000 gone in 10 pulls, and not even a cherry pay!

CH

I used to LOVE playing the $5 machine.   
$10 a pull on a double wild cherry.... ohhh the heart pounding ..... all you would need is just one hit just one!

The most I ever got was $1200

[StatFreak]

...With the second reset key you could lose the money on the machine and the jackpot dough while waiting for your ID and W2G to come back to you! What an insult that would be... W2G and no money to show for it! 

CH

Don't ever play a $100, $500, or $1000 slot machine in earnest. They have to stand next to you to keep track of all of the reported wins, and it's quite likely that you'll leave with nothing to show for them.

Never had that problem!  Always wondered why you would want to play in the high denom area... Wow it locked up on single bars!!! (20 coins on most $100 machine! ) alternatively: $1000 gone in 10 pulls, and not even a cherry pay!

CH

I used to LOVE playing the $5 machine.   
$10 a pull on a double wild cherry.... ohhh the heart pounding ..... all you would need is just one hit just one!

The most I ever got was $1200 - $420 in taxes = $780

I corrected your post -- you forgot the GubMint.
35% was a rough estimate based on a 28% Federal tax bracket and 7% State tax.

[CaptainHappy]

I would expect the wiring to be more like in the attached key to credit pdf.  I'm not sure which platform this is for though.  I'll try to look for more later, I have to go out now.

Thanks,
Wayne

Wayne,

Did you by chance find that you have any IGT machines with the second key installed? 

I am hoping that someone has an I-Game with this option that can follow the wires and maybe even snap a PIC or two? I do not want to  the machine! All of my machines, and none have the second key switch, at least here, whse is too far away, and Joey sold the one that had the second switch!

I think this will be a great thing that many people here may want to add!

Thanks again!

CH

[idesign]

I have an S2000 with the second key installed.  The machine came from Trump Plaza in AC.

[a69mopar]

I had to veer away from the iGames to do some S6000 orders, but have an iGame on the lift for later today.  I'll lok at it.  The others are packed in, but. Ill check them as I pull them

Thanks,
W

[reho33]

I also have a machine that has the 2nd key installed and Jim and I were trying to figure out what it was for. Thanks, now I know!