DBV wont function s plus (Fixed)

[rickhunter]

If your machine came with a DBV200, then the heads should be compatible.  If you have an upright, and you want a spare stacker (that's if you bought it with the stacker as opposed to just the head), then you'll need the "SS" vertical stacker.  Also there are two versions of the DBV200 heads, one is flash upgradeable (you need a special flash tool from JCM) and the other one is eprom based.  You probably want the eprom based as it saves you from having to take it to someone to have it updated if need be.

You cannot use MARS DBV's on IGT S+ machines.  Only DBV 45/145/200 or WBA 10/11/12/13 for US currency.  The software protocol is unique and is not compatible with vending type serial pulse protocols.

[Gusco]

It didnt come with a DBV 200 the one in it is the only one i have had in it. the DBV 145.

I did however open the head and seen the chip stating it is IDO23 so now im lost again.

[rickhunter]

DBV200, DBV145 refers to the model number of the bill head (hardware).  The IDO22/23 refers to the protocol the head uses to communicate with the slot (software).  IGT S+ uses IDO 22 for older SP game proms and IDO 23 for newer SP chips.  The DBV 145 is either 022 or 023, the DBV 200 is both 022/023 determined by a dip switch.  The SS/SH/SG only comes into play when you are buying complete hardware.  SS is head/transport/vertical stacker, SH is head/transport/horizontal stacker, SG is head and transport only, no stacker.  All heads are interchangeable within the IGT S+ domain.  There are some heads that are not compatible with an S+ because the head design where the bill goes in is different, but as long as you buy a head used for an S+ you should be ok.


You can use the DBV200 head on it provided that the sticker has the right information on it (that is it indeed has the IDO22/23 on it).  You will also need a more robust power supply for the DBV head.  You can tell if you have the right one by looking for vents on the power supply.  It is the "black brick" attached to the side of the DBV cage.  The old ones did not have vents and do no provide enough current to drive the DBV200 head without issues.

[stayouttadabunker]

If your machine came with a DBV200, then the heads should be compatible.  If you have an upright, and you want a spare stacker (that's if you bought it with the stacker as opposed to just the head), then you'll need the "SS" vertical stacker.  Also there are two versions of the DBV200 heads, one is flash upgradeable (you need a special flash tool from JCM) and the other one is eprom based.  You probably want the eprom based as it saves you from having to take it to someone to have it updated if need be.

You cannot use MARS DBV's on IGT S+ machines.  Only DBV 45/145/200 or WBA 10/11/12/13 for US currency.  The software protocol is unique and is not compatible with vending type serial pulse protocols.

I am using a MARS ZT1102 DBV in "Young Frankenstein".
It only takes older bills though...

[dpalmi]

I am using a MARS ZT1102 DBV in "Young Frankenstein".
It only takes older bills though...

Are you talking about a S2000 machine?

Dan #2

[stayouttadabunker]

I am using a MARS ZT1102 DBV in "Young Frankenstein".
It only takes older bills though...

Are you talking about a S2000 machine?

Dan #2

No Dan,
"Young Frankenstein" is an S+.
It's a full S+ without a cabinet I use as my test machine...

[dpalmi]

No Dan,
"Young Frankenstein" is an S+.
It's a full S+ without a cabinet I use as my test machine...

My fault - I was thinking a ZT1202 - that's my my S2000 machines have - got the #'s mixed up

Dan #2

[knagl]

I did however open the head and seen the chip stating it is ID023 so now im lost again.

The fact that it says ID023 is a good thing, as you need that (and not 044) for your IGT machine.

However, the only indication in the SP list for the 932 (which you stated you have) is that it supports WBA acceptors (which you don't have).

SP932 Type 1 wba

The PSR sheet gives a little more info (and I'll update the SP post in a second):

Game Types
Type 0 (no special features), Type 1 (Slam Dunk, Balloon Bars, etc.), Type 4 (Spin ’Til You Win), and Type 5 (4th of July).

Bill Acceptor
Acceptor model is jurisdiction-dependent and uses bill validator software protocol version 2.5.  Acceptable bill denominations are $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50, and $100.

Can anyone translate what that means in terms of what type/ID of bill validator that SP chip can use?  Would it be a good idea for Gusco to simply get an SP chip that would be known to be compatible with his Type 0 game with a DBV-145 ID023?

[stayouttadabunker]

I think he can throw in an SP731 as it is both Type 0,1,4,5,12 and an ID-2.5 as well as 10MHz board compatible.

[knagl]

I guess one of my questions is, what does ID 2.5 mean in terms of compatibility with ID022 or ID023?

[Gusco]

Looks like I am getting a DBV 200 and a new SP chip so all should work out well. Ill know in a few days after it gets delivered. Im learning alot along the way. I have been reading past posts for all day for the past couple days. Funny, I was going to become a slot tech when i lived in Reno but decided to be a Craps roulette and blackjack dealer instead. who knew.lol

[stayouttadabunker]

I guess one of my questions is, what does ID 2.5 mean in terms of compatibility with ID022 or ID023?

Good question knagl,
I haven't come across any type of cross-reference on that...
I don't even know what Version ID 2.5 is...LOL
My someone like Op-Bell might know something about that?

Looks like I am getting a DBV 200 and a new SP chip so all should work out well. Ill know in a few days after it gets delivered. Im learning alot along the way. I have been reading past posts for all day for the past couple days. Funny, I was going to become a slot tech when i lived in Reno but decided to be a Craps roulette and blackjack dealer instead. who knew.lol

You will be happier with the upgraded DBV...that's just about as far as an upgrade I think we will get for S+'s.

[Gusco]

Yes i agree, The updated DBV will be nice. Although my kid sure loves to put the quarters in. I'd rather drop bills.

[rickhunter]

any SP chips works with any DBV or WBA as long as it has the right IDO installed.  Version 2.5 is what IGT calls IDO23.  I think anything older than the SP600's use the old IDO22.  I've never even tried anything older than SP731, why would you want to?

[Gusco]

The one im getting with the DBV 200 is a SP1271   Will be nice to have the machine taking bills.

[rickhunter]

SP1271 is the chip of choice for most of us as it offers the greatest flexibility.  I hope you got a set chip as well cause you're gonna need it.

[Jim]

There are three tests that can be used to help trouble shoot bill acceptor problems.
1- is what has been suggested = go to the test with 5-0/1/2/ displayed in the winner paid window, advance to # 9 and check the status 0= not enabled 1= enabled.
2- after this test is complete, continue pressing the white test button until you get to #6 displayed in the coin played window and the denomination that the game is set on should be displayed in the credits window. when you get to this test you will here a click(provided that your handle solenoid is working) and the spin reels button will not be lit (provided that it lites normally) if the button is lit and youcan press it and advance the number displayed in the credits window, then your not enabled.
3- you can go back to the inputs test (1 displayed in the coins played window, and a 10-1 displayed in the winner paid window) advance this test (reset key) to #27-0 (bill acceptor test vend signal) the yellow sign above the bill input should be lit (provided that the display is there, its plugged in and it works) you can test the light bulbs by taking them out and putting them in the lamp holder for the denomination sign, this has 6vac on it at all times. you should be able to slide a bill into the acceptor and it should draw it in and return it.

For anyone looking for information on repairs to S+ machines there is an excellent book in the submit file of this forum "IGT S+ ELECTRONIC REPAIR MANUAL"
this is a very valuable tool . IMHO



JIM
 

[Gusco]

SP1271 is the chip of choice for most of us as it offers the greatest flexibility.  I hope you got a set chip as well cause you're gonna need it.

Yes im getting a set chip as well. Im going to run thru those suggestions with the tests as well. Im still familiarizing myself with the test process. the manual i found online doesnt seem to match it 100%

[Gusco]

running the #27-1 test i did not get no response or bezel light, so i took the unit out and found a triac had two legs cracked and broke apart (Possibly bent at one time) I would assume this doesnt really matter when it comes to the function of the DBV accetping bills correct?  Only will not allow the lights to illuminate.

[Gusco]

I ran the test suggested above also. and it does say the DBV is enabled with a 1 being present
Running the other test i was not able to change the numeral value in the  credits window

so this being said, it should in theory function.
But the only activity it gives is when it runs it's inital cycle when first powered up.

'Im confident that the new DBV and SP chip will resolve the issue.
But, I would still like to know why this one isnt functioning. (For future reference if anything)

[stayouttadabunker]

The bent legs sent electricity basically every which way but loose inside
the DBV chips shorting the living bejusus out of of it! 

[Gusco]

The bent legs sent electricity basically every which way but loose inside
the DBV chips shorting the bejusus out of of it! 

Ok, so your saying that the bent (Broke) legs in the DBV face bezel is causing the issue?
I dont want to have this happen to the new one is what im getting at.
I if the triac is bad now and cant be fixed with a little solder will it hurt my new DBV if ran like that or is it just used to power the lights in the bezel?

I cant locate an schematics on it. but i will try to find some.

[OhioGaming]

Just in case the DBV200 does initialize correctly and then will not accept bills.

When a DBV unit is being pulled out and returned into place while the power is on, there is always a chance the machine will not recognize the DBV unit even when the machine is displaying a 9-1. This does not always happen but have seen it happen several times. Can be cleared by installing a set key and resetting the options.

[stayouttadabunker]

You said you had a broken triac component on the bezel?
If so, I'd just go buy another bezel from the same people selling you the DBV200.
Better to be safe than sorry...at least with a known good part,
you can compare it with the bad bezel and determine if it's worth it
doing light board repairs such as replacing a triac or just flipping it into the garbage can.

[jay]

Bunko - Not that this will help me up here in Canada but your use of the MARS acceptor twigged me into asking the question.....

Can we get an acceptor for the S+ that will take the new colored 5$ ? I know it was not released for the JCM platform......