Con1s connection to an S2000?

[stayouttadabunker]

I'm trying to connect a CON1s to my S2000.
The S2000 J15 motherboard connector has 6-pins (1 to 6 from bottom to top)
The CON1s has a 5-pin header labeled as J1.
If I short pins 1 and 5 on the CON1s with a piece of wire -
the odometer on the display increments. (That's good!)
But how do I hook the CON1s to the S2000 so that the S2000 can "talk" to it?
In other words, get the CON1s to increment every time I drop a coin?

[jay]

You have a 4 machine setup.

Pin 1 & 5, 2&5, 3&5, 4&5 all will increment your progressive.
5 is the common.

On the S+ there is a 4 pin connector on the motherboard.
Pin 1 Coin in
Pin 2 Gnd
Pin 3 data return
Pin 4 not used.

You would connect up one of Pins 1 - 4 from the CON1 to PIN1 on the S+ and the Common (Pin5) to Pin2.

Unless you were using a CON2 or a ChamII+ you would not use Pin 3.
With the addition of a gatewa you can get a CON1 to generate the data-return signal for Pin3.

I am not sure where this connector would be on the S2000 but it should simarily exist

[Foster]

I do not think S2000 will support the Con1s, unless the Con1s can return progressive data to the S2000
Unlike the S+ the S2000 requires serial data from the linked progressive controller.
The Cham II+, Con 2I do return the data that the S2000 requires. The S2000 if the progressive controller is not communicating with the S2000 will go into a progressive link down tilt and can not be played.

If the Con1s will work with the S2000 you need key chip to enable the progressive.
it is under 7.3.1
Level 1: linked is what you have to set up.

[stayouttadabunker]

Thank you so much for the input guys!
To answer Jay's questions, the progressive 6-pin header is located
at J15 on the S2000's backplane board which I've highlighted in yellow in the drawing above.
Using the Keychip17, I was able to change the settings like Foster suggested to "Linked:level 1"
And I did get the error as the machine locked up displaying something like "Progressive Link Down".

I agree with Foster in that the machine is looking for the data return signal.
I remember r273 posting once that if the S2000 gets that signal - it stays happy.
The problem is: the CON1s may only be able to do that somehow with a gateway?
I have 4 models really: CON1i, CON1S, CON1E, and the CON21i.
For now, I'd like to try any of the CON1's... The CON2 is an entirely different beast.
I'd like to learn how these Gateways can help...

The gateway I have seems to have all the proper cables to connect between
a CON1s (or E for that matter) to an S+ motherboard.
I'm thinking of changing the S+ connector on it to fit the 6-pin J15 progressive plug on the S2000.
The reason for this is because I'm suspecting that the 3rd wire on this plug is set-up much in the way
that the PE+ needs for serial data return.
This extra pin might be for the data return to display the progressive amount on a video screen
and may be similar to the data return signal the S2000 is looking for?

Pictured below are the CON1E with the Gateway.
The 4-pin molex on the right is the one that normally goes to the S+ motherboard.
That's the plug I'm thinking of changing to fit into the S2000 J15 Progressive port.
I'm thinking that the 3rd wire is carrying the data return signal?
Click on the pics to enlarge!>>>

[jay]

What we "know" is that the CHAMII+ has 3 wires and works fine with the S2000 - the third wire being the serial return.

With the CON1 the way to generate the serial return line is through the use of a gateway.


CON1   Display output Pin1 --------------------------------   1 [GATEWAY input   GATEWAY Output] 1 --------------------------------------------------------- SLOT Pin 3 serial Return
                               Pin8 ------ Common-------------   2                                                        2---------+                                 
                                                                                                                                             +-----------------------------------------------           Pin 2 GND
CON1  Slot Connection Pin5 -----Common ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
                                Pin1 -----Coin in ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pin 1

[stayouttadabunker]

Thanks for the drawing Jay!
I will change the 4-pin molex at the S+ end for an S2000 6-pin...
Now I have to find out which pins are which at the S2000 plug.

I have to go check some wiring schematics for the S2000 motherboard/backplane board.
ADD>>Okay,
I think I have an idea from this sheet what's involved up in that birds nest behind the MPU board...arghh!
You see? That's why I love the simplicity of an old S+...not so many bloody wires!
Not only this, but the drawing is definitely upside down...bwahh!
Either the drawing is correct or they put the pins on the board upside down.
The guys that draw these schematics should be all lined up against the back wall of IGT ....lol

[stayouttadabunker]

Well,
Progress was definitely made last night!
I first changed the 4-pin molex to a 6-pin Amp to fit the J15 header on the S2000 backplane.
With the help of the Gateway, and a Keychip 17 - I was able to eliminate the "Progressive Link Down" error.
I had to install Keychip17 first into the SB socket, remove it & reinstall the DD SB chip.
When powering up, I was allowed to change settings to "Link1:level 1" in the "progressive options".
The machine's MPU is recieving the serial return data from the
CON1s through the #3 pin at the J15 backplane connection.
In the drawing above, it is known as "Prog Out".
I also tried a CON1E with the same prefigured PSP V2.0 settings and that also made the S2000 happy.
No errors pop up on the display at all!
The machine is r273 happy!

But ( There's always a "but" !!!  )  the 2" chameleon (LED5) display will not
increment on the odometer when a coin is dropped through.

What was not really discussed in earlier posts is where does the 2 wires from the 2" Cham (LED5) go to?
I first tried hooking them up to the 2-pin Output "Spare" header on the Gateway...no love...
So, then I tried hooking them up to the Input "Spare" header on the GW...no go men 
Getting a little frustrated, I decided to splice into wires on the Pins 1 & 8 on the CON1's "Display Output"...
After about 10 seconds or so - the progressive numbers turns all red - like there's a "Jackpot" hit.

The only way to clear it is to remove the 8-pin connector, and plug it back in...
but after another 15-20 seconds...the numbers turn all red again.
Normally they are in multicolored mode...
so when they turn all red, I know that the progressive has locked up for the attendant "hand-pay" mode.
Again, the only way to reset the meter is to unhook the "Display out"
connector from the CON1 and re-attach it.
If I just briefly short it - the meter increments on the odometer.
But leaving the connector on it only shorts it out for the Jackpot.

Could it be a PSP setting? 

[jay]

In this case its not a PSP setting.....

The prog-out and GND would make sense for two of the wires.

I would suspect you would use the Vprog for the increment or the prog-in.

Turning this around and answering a question with a question what 3 pins do you use for a ChamII+ ????? as it would be the same 3 for this config as well.

I also suspect that alt-gnd and gnd would be a dead short causing the jackpot condition.

The normal way to clear a jackpot condition is to use the reset key to take it out of hand pay and then simply pass 1 coin through which increments the jackpot.
Of course until you get it incrementing in the first place you can't clear the win in this manner. LOL.

[stayouttadabunker]

I don't have a Cham2+ really so I'm not sure how those are hooked up.
I'd have to see if anyone else has set up a Cham2+ and
I will ask them how the 3 wires are connected to their S2000.
Stormrider had some thoughts a while back.
here's a quote from him, no mention of wiring though>>>

Just a side note for anyone programing a cham2 + in a S2000
if you get progressive link down on the S2000 display you have to change
F8 setting in jackpot programming in the psp to MS08 for IGT.
I found that out last time I did a S2000 Tabasco

r273 was playing with denominations and trying to get his machine
to increment with different denoms, however, the topic died on December 11th.

For me it still increments when I physically short out pins for ex. 1 & 5 on the CON1.
Tonight, I will try a CHAM44 and see if I can get it to increment
using the same wiring from both the CON1 & the Gateway.

[stayouttadabunker]

Apparently the Cham2+ uses the same 3 wires as most other Chams to "talk" to the S+.
However, whether or not it can "talk" to an S2000 is something r273 is working on.
If it's too small to read, just open it up with Windows picture viewer
by clicking onto the link under the drawing>>>

[Ron (r273)]

I have not got my S-2000 to recognize multi-denominational yet on my CHAMII+.    I'm out of state
for a few days so I can't access my notes. I have it all documented when it was working on a single
denomination.

Ron(r273)

[Foster]

The S2000 will work with a Cham II+.
My Cham II+ is 2.07 and I believe I tried the other Cham II+ with 2.01 as well.

As far as the multi-denom working I would suspect you have to set each denom to link level 1 for it increment.
The thing is that the Cham II+ would not know when machine changes denomination.
 
If you are going to use multi-denom in a progressive setup I would recommend using S2000 with a Spectrum (II) display.
The machine then woulld change the amount of the progressive and increment.

I have not tried setting up multi-denom progressive, but I didnt see anything that would prevent it from being setup with the spectrum either.

When I enabled multi-denom (adding the 4 wires to the door I/O and wiring a switch as well) the S2000 would blank the spectrum when I changed to a denom other than $1.
I  only had $1 setup as stand alone progressive

[jay]

For bunkers sake - what pins are connected on the S2000 side ? with the ChamII+

[Foster]

Cham II+  J7 ----------------------------  S2000 J15 or J85
  Pin  3 Coin In/Jackpot ------------------ Pin 3 Prog Out
  Pin 11 Serial Return    ------------------ Pin 1 Prog In
  Pin 13  Ground           ------------------ Pin 2 Prog Ground

Same pins on the Cham II+ J7 is used for S+ and S2000/Vision
Settins are M08, serial 8, Jackpot 3 seconds in PSP  

[stayouttadabunker]

Good stuff guys...
I've been away from the computer all night because I went
go tinker with the CON1 eyes, S's,  E's and Gateways. 
The Gateway is a pretty cool board...
I'm learning a lot about it and will probably learn a lot about
CHAM2+'s when ever I get get my hands on one of them.
I was somewhat elated to see my 2" Chameleon (CHAM5 or LED5 ) increment!!!!
The bloody thing works! How? I 'm not sure because I was so excited -
I played the machine for like 3 hours straight! lolololo
I'll make a better report on all the settings I did, and how I got it to work...
I kept very good notes tonight (thinking of r273) and pretty much went
into it step by step, crossing this and that out, trying this setting and that setting,
switching this wire and that wire until the thing started incrementing!
I have the lag set really long and the increments very high per coin...
When it did - I yelled out to my wife now she's on it....
I like the progressive display "rolling on the odometer" all the time just like at the casinos.

Taking a break for now...sorta brain dead...
I did manage to snap a very short, crappy film clip with terrible
camera settings and it's really rather jagged.
>>>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/-vPCF-8Eg1o&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/-vPCF-8Eg1o&rel=0</a>

I promise to make a better one and a complete diagram of how this was accomplished later on!
You might see the machine play by itself once in a while...uh,... no ghosts here -
just a remote control I made...lol

[stayouttadabunker]

I realized that the machine wasn't progressing correctly.
It seemed to act "crazy"...
I had to switch the wires around at the J15 plug to get it to increment right.

When I looked at the S2000 diagram, it looks like you would put the
coin-in wire to the #1 pin - when actually it's opposite... 
The coin-in wire from the Gateway needs to go into the #3 pin on J15.
I know it sounds backwards but that's how it seems to work.
The other wire (serial return) has to go in on the
bottom #1 pin which I had thought was for the coin-in wire.
The ground doesn't change...it remains on the #2 pin on J15.

I think it's great that I was able to get excellent help from
you guys on the S2000 and CHAM2+'s.
I was able to utilize all your help to get this LED5 to work on a S2000...
however, it requires the Gateway in order for it to work.
Luckily, gateways are pretty cheap on the open market.
I'm afraid I may have driven the price up a bit on them because now we
know that they will allow all those dusty LED5's Mini Cham's to work in an S2000...

I have a bugging question however, what are the 2 dials for on the Gateway?
There are very similar to the rotating dials on CHAM4's
The gateway also has a couple of serial ports as well...
I'd like to dig more into those possible options and see what they do?
Would anyone have any more information on Gateways?

[jay]

As they say just before the commericals..........
Don't touch that dial........

Actually.......my gateway does not have any dials.

I could potentially see the need for 1 dial - this would dictate what information is passed from the CON1 to the Slot.

Ie Progessive 1 2 3 4 ...... but I am not sure what the second dial would be fore,,,,,,,

When John Acres was participating on the forum I asked him about a manual for the gateway as I have never found one. 
He referred me to the CON1 Hardware manual ....... page 60ish ....... (but that is going from memory).

I use the gateway to drive the JACKPOT amount to the PE+ screen.

[stayouttadabunker]

They are very similar to the CHAM44 dials: half of it with the part of the alphabet ( A to F?)
and the other half with numbers from 1 - 9?
Of course you KNOW I'M GONNA TINKER WITH THAT!!!!

[coorslight115]

They are very similar to the CHAM44 dials: half of it with the part of the alphabet ( A to F?)
and the other half with numbers from 1 - 9?
Of course you KNOW I'M GONNA TINKER WITH THAT!!!!

Page 35 of the Con1 manual describes the gateway and the shows the dial setting chart.

[stayouttadabunker]

Thanks coors!
I hate manuals...arghhh! more reading from guys that type in russian...
Anyways, I did some cropping and straightening out...they were all kinda crooked...lol

[stayouttadabunker]

This really is fun to play with....lol
I've seen it before but forgotten what it is...>>>"RBP"?
My CRS is kickin' in...

The second picture I cropped below ...I love it!...

[CaptainHappy]

This really is fun to play with....lol
I've seen it before but forgotten what it is...>>>"RBP"?
My CRS is kickin' in...

The second picture I cropped below ...I love it!...

RBP???? MAYBE: Really Big Progressive???

Ok I am not helping you, I don't remember what it stands for, but I will probably be up all night wondering!!!

CH

[stayouttadabunker]

  Maybe it means I have a "Really Big Pr- - K" ????!!!
Naw, I think it might mean "Random Bonus Pay"...
absolutely no reference to where "size does matter"...

[Ron (r273)]

I have not got my S-2000 to recognize multi-denominational yet on my CHAMII+.  hissy fit  I'm out of state
for a few days so I can't access my notes. I have it all documented when it was working on a single
denomination.

Ron(r273)

The S2000 will work with a Cham II+.
My Cham II+ is 2.07 and I believe I tried the other Cham II+ with 2.01 as well.

As far as the multi-denom working I would suspect you have to set each denom to link level 1 for it increment.
The thing is that the Cham II+ would not know when machine changes denomination.
 
If you are going to use multi-denom in a progressive setup I would recommend using S2000 with a Spectrum (II) display.
The machine then woulld change the amount of the progressive and increment.

I have not tried setting up multi-denom progressive, but I didnt see anything that would prevent it from being setup with the spectrum either.

When I enabled multi-denom (adding the 4 wires to the door I/O and wiring a switch as well) the S2000 would blank the spectrum when I changed to a denom other than $1.
I  only had $1 setup as stand alone progressive

I can not excess the 7.1.1.4 Denomination Touch Panel because I have a button set up for selecting the denominations. I have the old display which does not except the touch pad. So it looks like I need to change the display to get it to work.

Ron (r273).

[Foster]

Is multi-denom working but just triggering the cham II+?

To get the Cham II+ to work on multi-denom you have to step through the progressive menus and pick each denom and set it to link level 1 just like you did for a single denom.
The only thing is that the cham II+ will not change base, max, current, or the increment as you do.
This is one advantage to the spectrum II

Example:
Cham II+ set for $1 denom
base amount $2500.00
Max Amount $15000.00
current $3000.00
Increment $0.04 per coin
S2000 set up for denoms of 0.10, 0.25, 0.50, 1.00

you play the machine with it on the dime denom.
the cham II+ is going to still increment at $0.04 and stay between those 2 values no matter how often you change denom

But I suspect if you had a spectrum II and set up each level 1 (each would be enabled as you setup your multi-denom)
You would have base, current, mac and increment for each denom in the machine.
I do not have the multi-denom harnesses to test this easily, will have a EZ-Pay Harness soon that should allow me to add multi-denom to my machine safely


Time for some more testing, but I will grab a bite to eat first.