Ohio, take note (slots in a sort of weird way)

[knagl]

Marty-

Welcome to  .  Thank you for sharing your insight on these machines.

I wonder why nobody thought of these before -- a year ago an S+ (in quantity) was very inexpensive -- now I suspect they'll become more valuable.

[marty19067]

Thank you for the welcome!
The Double D conversions are on the Bally 5500 & 6000 platforms.
I have seen the S+ but am unaware of their operating characteristics.

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(GrassBGreen link)

It probably doesn't work on bare sand.

[Brianzz]

What is wrong with green sand?

You could always get a really big flame thrower and turn your front yard into glass

[Brianzz]

um... well.. 

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/FoPSo8_7XBE&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/FoPSo8_7XBE&rel=0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/VwlpHJIe3cI&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/VwlpHJIe3cI&rel=0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/jdF3kLIdujM&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/jdF3kLIdujM&rel=0</a>

[reho33]

Coolest things I ever saw, thanks for posting.

[Brianzz]

OK, so they're using their own boards, programs, blah blah to rip people off with these skill games, yet they're using copyrighted and trademarked symbols and glass, isn't that slightly illegal?

[reho33]

I read the pdf report from that law firm and it looks vacuum-shut. So unless Ohio takes these guys to court (where they might lose), those machines look to proliferate and make money for many people and businesses.

[marty19067]

Brianzz seems to be troubled and making dubious statements that are not true.
The lab reports prove the games do not "rip off" players.
All art work and symbols, while having a similarity to existing work, are more than 40% modified.
The HoldEm game is 100% original!

[Brianzz]

Brianzz seems to be troubled and making dubious statements that are not true.
The lab reports prove the games do not "rip off" players.
All art work and symbols, while having a similarity to existing work, are more than 40% modified.
The HoldEm game is 100% original!

Pardon me, didn't mean to offend your work.

I didn't know by adding a cherry to a reel symbol or changing the background graphic on belly glass that modifies it by 40% or more, of course we won't get into names either ie. Wild Cherry® <---

[marty19067]

Early prototypes were too closely based on existing designs.
"Art guy" said it was permissible with a 30% mod.
We discontinued "Wild Cherry", now use "Wild Bunch".
It would appear that IGT got offended as well.

[stayouttadabunker]

Would the "Hold "em" fit in a Bally 6000 machine?
I want a glass/game/eprom kit !  
PM me with details and pricing, please.


Two extra reels in the top box?  Fantastic!!!  

[Neonkiss]

"Art guy" said it was permissible with a 30% mod.
We discontinued "Wild Cherry", now use "Wild Bunch".
It would appear that IGT got offended as well.

Changed a bit I would say....

[marty19067]

The HoldEm is engineered for the 5500 platform and operates with no problems.
There are (2) payout program options, redemption at 840% and charity mod at 85%
The 6000 has challenges with the top reel mounts and issues with sound volume and coin acceptance.

[stayouttadabunker]

I really like the idea of the Hold 'em game.
I like what you guys did with the extra reels in the top box...very cool!
The possibilities are endless in my mind! 

The eprom mods are also way too cool.
Did you design your own or just added a few things ?

[marty19067]

We do our own designs and programming for the most part.
The Martini Madness game sounds are unique, coin drop sounds like ice cubes dropping into glass,
reel spin sound is cocktail shaker.
Cue Tease (pool theme) sounds recorded from actual pool game and programmed into game, etc.

[FORDSBS]

Next weekend I'll be going to Ohio. What businesses have these machines. I'll have to see what these
machines look like first hand.

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WOW DELICATE MATTER TO DISCUSS HERE -WITHOUT OFFENDING TWO MEMBERS !!

but the original post of the pdf file on page 1 of this says it all !!! >>>posted again in full read format << BELOW

that many here miss the point
that how the machine can be “Readily adaptable� TO CHANGE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IN SIMPLE TERMS

ITS A FANCY WAY OF SAYING HOW CAN WE CIRCUMVENT THE LAW

to adapt this machine to be accepted as a non gambling device in certain jursidictions

further note
that DD GAMING which is owned by Marty --aka-Martin Caplan .
& JOHN42355 on ebay & rudies sales .com is affilated with Mr. Caplan

hope no offense was taken?? but the article says what it says along with your follow up statements
 
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May 30, 2007

Edmund G. Brown, Jr.

Attorney General

California Department of Justice

P.O. Box 944255

Sacramento, California 94244-2550

Re: Report on the review and analysis of the Red, White, and Blue 7’s skill-based

amusement device submitted by Reel Vegas Slots, Inc. and Double D Gaming, Inc.

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Dear Mr. Brown:

By request received May 11, 2007, and subsequent information received on May 21, 2007,

Nick Farley & Associates, Inc. has conducted a review and examination of the Red, White,

and Blue 7’s skill-based amusement device distributed by Reel Vegas Slots, Inc. and

developed by Double D Gaming, Inc. Our review and examination has been conducted on

the behalf of Reel Vegas Slots, Inc. The device reviewed is identified as the Red, White, and

Blue 7’s skill-stop slot machine. This review was conducted to determine how “readily

adaptable� the Red, White, and Blue 7’s skill-stop slot machine is converted back into a

gambling device. “Readily adaptable� referring to how easily the parts, schematics, and

knowledge of such a conversion can be obtained.

Background Information on Nick Farley & Associates, Inc.

Nick Farley & Associates, Inc. (NFA) is an independent compliance testing laboratory.

Based in the greater Cleveland, Ohio area, NFA was founded in November 2000 to serve the

compliance testing needs of the casino gaming industry.

The management of NFA has been actively involved in the test and evaluation of electronic

gaming devices and related systems since 1987. Law enforcement agencies and law firms

throughout the nation have relied upon NFA for expert witness services in the area of skill

versus chance. Many times electronic games are confiscated by law enforcement agencies.

These games purport to be “games of skill�. NFA’s experience and expertise have assisted

many law enforcement agencies in the prosecution of illegal gambling devices operating

under the guise of an “electronic game of skill�. Additionally, law firms have retained NFA

to provide expert analysis of legitimate games of skill for use in jurisdictions where such

games are legal but not regulated.

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NFA is the dominant testing laboratory serving the regulated jurisdictions for amusement and

redemption games. Suppliers of amusement and redemption games have a choice of testing

laboratories for their compliance testing needs. Having served nearly every manufacturer

and supplier in these regulated jurisdictions, Nick Farley & Associates, Inc. has been the test

laboratory of choice.

Leading suppliers of Class II gaming equipment have also selected NFA to review their

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provided vital information to the National Indian Gaming Commission (NIGC) to assist them

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determination in accordance with the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA). Our

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Compliance testing assures integrity and fairness to the public. It is an essential part of any

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Regulatory agencies throughout North America have recognized NFA as a credible and

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Modifications Made to the Machine to Prevent Use as a Gambling Device

The machine reviewed, was a modified slot machine, in which the device was reconfigured

and reprogrammed to remove the random number generator and automatic stopping of the

reels to render the game outcome, which could classify the machine as an illegal gambling

device under California law. Section 330 of the California Penal Code defines a gambling

device. The applicable section of the California Penal Code pertaining to this evaluation is

section 330.b.2 listed as follows:

(2) Any machine, apparatus or device is a slot machine or device within

the provisions of this section if it is one that is adapted, or may readily be

converted into one that is adapted, for use in such a way that, as a result

of the insertion of any piece of money or coin or other object, or by any

other means, such machine or device is caused to operate or may be

operated, and by reason of any element of hazard or chance or of other

outcome of such operation unpredictable by him, the user may receive or

become entitled to receive any piece of money, credit, allowance or thing

of value or additional chance or right to use such slot machine or device,

or any check, slug, token or memorandum, whether of value or otherwise,

which may be exchanged for any money, credit, allowance or thing of

value, or which may be given in trade, irrespective of whether it may,

apart from any element of hazard or chance or unpredictable outcome of

such operation, also sell, deliver or present some merchandise, indication

of weight, entertainment or other thing of value.

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Also applicable to this evaluation, is California Penal Code Section 330.b.f, which states:

(f) Pinball and other amusement machines or devices, which are

predominantly games of skill, whether affording the opportunity of

additional chances or free plays or not, are not included within the term

slot machine or device, as defined in this section.

Double D Gaming, Inc., and its distributor Reel Vegas Slots, Inc., have incorporated

significant modifications to convert this former gambling device to remove any element of

hazard or chance, or other element of unpredictable game outcome. By removing such

elements of chance, the device will no longer comport to the slot machine definition as it will

not satisfy the following requirements:

“…such machine or device is caused to operate or may be operated, and by reason of

any element of hazard or chance or of other outcome of such operation unpredictable by

him …�

When originally manufactured as a slot machine, the Red, White, and Blue 7’s device was

designed in such a way that the game outcome was determined by a Random Number

Generator embedded in the device’s software. The Random Number Generator determined

the stop positions of the spinning reels, and the reels would stop automatically, without

player involvement, to reveal the game outcome.

The Random Number Generator and automatic stopping of reels to render the game outcome

have been eliminated. The player affects the game outcome by stopping the spinning reels

using three (3) “STOP� buttons located on the cabinet exterior. Videotape analysis of the

stopping of the spinning reels revealed that the reels would come to rest consistently within

three stop positions after the player activates the “STOP� button to stop each reel. This

consistent stopping is indicative that the game outcome is controlled by the player and not

the machine or the machine’s software.

Please note that the player must stop all three of the spinning reels to receive entitlement to

any winning reel combinations. If the player fails to stop any of the spinning reels, the reels

will “time-out� after approximately 10 seconds and return the players’ money for game play.

If the player stops one or two of the spinning reels, but does not stop all of the spinning reels,

the game outcome will result in a loss regardless of the symbols displayed on the reels. Thus

the player’s actions to stop the spinning reels affect the outcome of the game. A failure to

participate in the stopping of all three spinning reels will result in either the return or loss of

credits played, but under no circumstances will the game outcome be determined by the

machine.

Game Play

The device reviewed is identified with the game theme, Red, White, and Blue 7’s. The game

was developed by Double D Gaming, Inc. However, the cabinet reviewed was originally

manufactured by Bally Gaming, Inc. Red, White, and Blue 7’s is a three (3) reel device, with

three (3) stop buttons, a spin button, credit buttons, and a handle to facilitate game play by

the player.

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Money is inserted into the machine through a coin or bill acceptor. Inserted funds are

displayed as available credits for game play. The credit buttons are used for game purchase.

When the desired purchase price is reached, the player may press the spin button, or if the

maximum purchase price is attained, the reels will begin to spin. After a brief period of time,

the three stop buttons on the front of the machine illuminate. These buttons must be

depressed, one at a time, by the player to stop the spinning reels. Failure to stop all of the

spinning reels will result in either the player’s purchase price being returned or rendering a

losing outcome. After the player stops all three reels, the game outcome is evaluated. If the

game outcome results in a winning combination, the player is awarded credits, which are

accumulated on the credit meter.

Software Information

Operation of the Red, White, and Blue 7’s skill stop slot device is controlled by software

stored on two EPROMs housed on the main circuit board. The main circuit board is

identified as follows:

© Bally Gaming Inc.

AS 3356-201 Rev. E

The EPROMs containing the software which controls the operation of the Red, White, and

Blue 7’s game are identified as follows:

Software ID Memory Size Board Position Checksum

Kobetron

GI-3000

Signature

P016-82 rev2

C499C6 U12

27C512 U12 00C499C6 0H8F

P016-82 rev2

BA94D1 U15

27C512 U15 00BA94D1 08CF

Features And Options

By accessing the operator menu, the operator is availed to three administrative features. The

operator menu is accessed by activating the key switch on the cabinet exterior. Once

accessed, the administrative features are manipulated through the exterior buttons on the

game terminal.

The first feature offered in the operator menu allows the operator to view award payouts.

The operator may select the reel position, and the seven-segment display will show the prize

to be awarded for the game outcome.

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The second feature offered in the operator menu allows the operator to test the tokendispensing

hopper. With the cabinet door in the open position, the token-dispensing hopper

will dispense 10 tokens.

The third feature offered in the operator menu allows the operator to view the soft meters of

the game terminal.

Operator configurable options are set by means of an 8 position DIP switch on the main

Central Processing Unit (CPU) board. This switch is identified on the board as SW3. These

options give the operator the ability to choose from predefined game settings. Positions 1 & 2

select attract mode settings. Positions 3 & 4 select hand-pay options. Positions 5 & 6 select

maximum purchase price. Maximum purchase prices of 1, 3, 5, & 10 coins/credits are

selectable. Switch positions 7 & 8 select the denomination of coins/dollars the machine will

accept. Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Dollars are selectable.

Converting this Device for Gambling Purposes

Red, White, and Blue 7’s is not intended to be used as casino-style slot machines. As such, it

is not easily converted to a casino-style slot machine. Converting this device to a casinostyle

slot machine would take significant amounts of time, knowledge, and engineering

effort. Below is a list of differences between these devices and casino-style slot machines:

• These devices do not have a Random Number Generator (RNG). A casino-style slot

machine uses a RNG to determine the outcome of each game.

• These devices do not control the game outcome. A casino-style slot machine

determines the outcome as soon as the player initiates play, and spins the reels to

display that pre-determined outcome. These devices do not know what the outcome

will be until the player stops the spinning reels, as these devices do not keep track of

the reel position as they are spinning.

If one were to go to the painstaking efforts to convert these machines to a casino-style slot

machine, they would have to know which chips required replacing, what type of chips would

be compatible with this circuit board, have knowledge of the circuitry to control the reels,

and develop a RNG to determine the game outcome. Alternatively, this device may be

converted to a casino-style slot machine by replacing the CPU board with another that

integrated the previously listed modifications. Conversion of these devices would require

intimate knowledge of the communications protocols and software programming utilized by

these devices.

Findings and Conclusion

Nick Farley & Associates, Inc. has reviewed this device, including game operation,

hardware, and program source code. Based upon our review, we have found that the Red,

White, and Blue 7’s device is not a casino-style slot machine. The outcome of each game is

based solely upon the player’s skill and acumen in activating the stop buttons at the

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appropriate time in an effort to attain a desired outcome. Thus, with the game outcome being

based on a predominance of skill, the device satisfies the following requirement from

California Penal Code Section 330.b.f:

“…amusement machines or devices, which are predominantly games of skill, whether

affording the opportunity of additional chances or free plays or not, are not included

within the term slot machine or device�

We have also found that the task of converting this machine into a casino-style slot machine

would be quite cumbersome for an individual without intimate knowledge of the electronics

and software program design of these devices, and/or the knowledge to rewrite the software

and replace the chips on the circuit board.

Nick Farley & Associates, Inc. has performed extensive research and analysis to determine

the findings and conclusions of fact presented in this document. However, we realize that

not all information may have been disclosed or provided for our review. If any parties

dispute our findings, and may present evidence or information contrary to our findings, we

would welcome the addition of this information for our consideration. In such an instance,

we reserve the right to amend or revise this document.

This document has been prepared by Nick Farley & Associates, Inc. for the California

Department of Justice for the benefit of Reel Vegas Slots, Inc. and Double D Gaming, Inc.

Distribution of this document is limited exclusively to Nick Farley & Associates, Inc., the

California Department of Justice, Reel Vegas Slots, Inc., and Double D Gaming, Inc.

Unauthorized copy or distribution is prohibited.

If you should have any questions or require additional information, please feel free to contact

our office.

Sincerely,

Nick Farley

President

EW

File: CAAG-CA-RVSI-07-01-EW

cc: Mark Anton, Reel Vegas Slots, Inc.

Martin Caplan, Double D Gaming, Inc.
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