5 Reel 9 line trouble

[Yoeddy1]

One other little nugget...for giggles I swapped out my 8 meg DSV00051 sound SIMM with a 16 meg DSV00042 SIMM and the 42 SIMM does cause a longer boot time due to the additional amount of memory onboard.  Took the MM2 Lite board off too...no hang at all.  Might try taking your sound board off and booting to see if it makes a difference.

[stayouttadabunker]

Boy oh boy... that's a lot of problems coming on by moving a machine a few inches eh?
Did you have any problems with this machine before?

I'm still thinking something came loose if it was working before you moved it.
It's too bad you don't have a spare MPU on hand to shove in to rule
out the power supplies ( You've said you've swapped those too!)

Personally, I'd stick my known good board into the problem machine to see if the problem is the machine's.
However, if that blows - then you've got zip.
If you had spare kamikaze chips- I'd put those in the "bad" board and stick it in the known good machine.

I have a question though...
wouldn't changing the SB with something else wipe out everything like a clear chip?
Or would you just get a "Incompatible Eprom" message?

[cruisepl]

Boy oh boy... that's a lot of problems coming on by moving a machine a few inches eh?
Did you have any problems with this machine before?

I'm still thinking something came loose if it was working before you moved it.
It's too bad you don't have a spare MPU on hand to shove in to rule
out the power supplies ( You've said you've swapped those too!)

Personally, I'd stick my known good board into the problem machine to see if the problem is the machine's.
However, if that blows - then you've got zip.
If you had spare kamikaze chips- I'd put those in the "bad" board and stick it in the known good machine.

I have a question though...
wouldn't changing the SB with something else wipe out everything like a clear chip?
Or would you just get a "Incompatible Eprom" message?

I had no problems at all before I moved it, in fact I had already moved the Triple Lucky 7s and my Reel Touch.Triple Stars was the third machine that I needed to move this morning

I did take the power supply out of 7s and put it in Stars but that did not solve the problem, I also put the Stars MPU into 7s and got stuck on the testing memory message. Im at a loss right now without a 97 chip so Im gonna pack it up and take it with me on my trip.  Im not going to gamble and put the good MPU into the bad machine. Im pretty sure there are problems with both the power supply and the MPU.

The real kicker is that I only slid this machine a few inches on the formica countertop so I could clean up around it. Last night I was changing the counter top that sits on top of my slot stands, I had the Triple Lucky 7s machine set too far forward and it fell off the stand, the top of the machine bounced off the bar and then the machine landed upright on the floor. After I put it back on the stand it worked fine. Not so much as a scratch on the machine, no broken or cracked glass, nothing wrong at all. The bar on the other hand has a couple nice dents in the top.

I would have thought for sure there would have been problems with that machine instead of one that I moved less than a foot.

[CaptainHappy]

Boy oh boy... that's a lot of problems coming on by moving a machine a few inches eh?
Did you have any problems with this machine before?

I'm still thinking something came loose if it was working before you moved it.
It's too bad you don't have a spare MPU on hand to shove in to rule
out the power supplies ( You've said you've swapped those too!)

Personally, I'd stick my known good board into the problem machine to see if the problem is the machine's.
However, if that blows - then you've got zip.
If you had spare kamikaze chips- I'd put those in the "bad" board and stick it in the known good machine.

I have a question though...
wouldn't changing the SB with something else wipe out everything like a clear chip?
Or would you just get a "Incompatible Eprom" message?

I had no problems at all before I moved it, in fact I had already moved the Triple Lucky 7s and my Reel Touch.Triple Stars was the third machine that I needed to move this morning

I did take the power supply out of 7s and put it in Stars but that did not solve the problem, I also put the Stars MPU into 7s and got stuck on the testing memory message. Im at a loss right now without a 97 chip so Im gonna pack it up and take it with me on my trip.  Im not going to gamble and put the good MPU into the bad machine. Im pretty sure there are problems with both the power supply and the MPU.

The real kicker is that I only slid this machine a few inches on the formica countertop so I could clean up around it. Last night I was changing the counter top that sits on top of my slot stands, I had the Triple Lucky 7s machine set too far forward and it fell off the stand, the top of the machine bounced off the bar and then the machine landed upright on the floor. After I put it back on the stand it worked fine. Not so much as a scratch on the machine, no broken or cracked glass, nothing wrong at all. The bar on the other hand has a couple nice dents in the top.

I would have thought for sure there would have been problems with that machine instead of one that I moved less than a foot.

I am going to go out on a limb here.... It sounds like the problem is the Stars MPU since the problem sounds like it is following the MPU.  "I also put the Stars MPU into 7s and got stuck on the testing memory message." Have you by chance checked the battery voltage on that MPU with a Digital Multi Meter???

Just a thought as the battery issues cause funny things to happen...

CaptainHappy

[knagl]

I'll throw in my $0.02.  I suspect that the memory got corrupted somehow when the machine was powered off after experiencing the reel tilt, rather than being reset as it needed to be.

If the door is opened mid-spin (or if the machine thinks the door was opened mid-spin), it will cause a general reel tilt.  Any reels that were already stopped will remain stopped (like reel 1 in this case), where the remaining reels will slowly and continuously spin.  The way to reset this error is to open the main door, turn the jackpot reset key, and close the door.  My thought is the combination of the reel tilt and the power being cut somehow corrupted something in memory on the board.  I'd for sure try a 97 clear chip before dismissing the board as junk.

[Buzz]

It took 27 post before Jay told us what the problem is.   He dumped UNLucky 7s on the floor and Super Star got Pissed off at him. Slot machines have feelings ( most of the time it's just greed )

Bunker I've found ( Thanks to Blueridge ) I use SG000363 game chips in everything. ( unless it's a special game ) same holds true with the version, I use VS011GX1 in every game. If he switched his two Base chips, it might work, and then again might have to do a clear. I think I would have already had all the chips off the board and checking the legs.

Kevin  I kind of think your 100% right. But then again I'm usually wrong 90% of the time.

[cruisepl]

Captain, I have not checked the battery voltage. I have to work my 24 hour shift tomorrow then Im leaving Wednesday night for Ohio. I may have time to check it before I leave but it may be just as easy to bring the machine with me.

Im thinkin knagl may be onto something here to because I got the reel tilt while I was moving the machine by pushing on the right side of the machine possibly causing the door optics to become misaligned and the machine to think the door had come open during a spin. I must have pushed the max bet button when I started moving the machine and then moved the door enough to get the optics out of alignment. After the reel tilt the reels spun pretty quick though, not slow like tilts I have seen before.

When I get to Ohio I will have more time to look it over and I will have access to the 97 chip so I will try that first and then if I have to I will replace the power supply and the MPU. Those too should be readily available.

Too late to do anything else with it tonight, Ill keep an eye peeled here for any more suggestions to try before I leave town. As soon as I can I will post the findings and results.

Thanks again for all the input

Jay

[cruisepl]

UPDATE:

Im am back from my trip and thanks to dirtbuster01 my machine was fixed and running perfectly in about 5 minutes.  To refresh everyones memory I was moving a machine the other day and hit the max bet button. I continued to move the machine while the reels spun but shifted the door optics enough to cause the machine to think the door opened mid spin.  Without a 97 chip and with credits on the machine I could not clear the reel tilt or do a ram clear etc.

The solution was to take the ram chip located at U18 and put it in U45 and put the ram chip from U45 in U18. This evidently will clear the RAM and clear any tilts you may have. After the switch the machine booted up perfectly and even kept all my denominations. The only thing I lost were the credits that were on the machine to start with.

 Only took a few minutes and seemed easier than using the clear 97 chip. By the way I took everyones advice and did pick up a clear 97 to have around for the next time I do something stupid.

Again thanks for eveyones input and help.  Hope this helps someone in the future.   K+ to dirtbuster01

Jay

[Buzz]

Jay  I'm really happy you got it fixed. And just think something good came out of the ordeal, I didn't know about switching U 45 and U 18 "THANK YOU"   

[stayouttadabunker]

Switching U45 and U18 clears the machine? Cool! 
One would think it would screw up the chips!

[cruisepl]

Switching U45 and U18 clears the machine? Cool! 
One would think it would screw up the chips!

I would have never thought of it either but it worked. It just cleared the tilts and like I said lost the credits that were on the machine but no big deal there. The machine remembered all of my other settings like the touchscreen button configuration/denominations, sound options, left the bill validator enabled, have not tried the printer yet but it probably left that enabled too.

Glad something good came out of my error and everyone could learn something.

[StatFreak]

Switching U45 and U18 clears the machine? Cool! 
One would think it would screw up the chips!

I would have never thought of it either but it worked. It just cleared the tilts and like I said lost the credits that were on the machine but no big deal there. The machine remembered all of my other settings like the touchscreen button configuration/denominations, sound options, left the bill validator enabled, have not tried the printer yet but it probably left that enabled too.

Glad something good came out of my error and everyone could learn something.

K+ Jay.  It sounds like this little trick might make life a little easier for S2000 owners. 

Stat

[Yoeddy1]

Wow interesting!  I wonder if that is a documented known trick with IGT?

[stayouttadabunker]

Wow interesting!  I wonder if that is a documented known trick with IGT?

Hell no! We know more than IGT technicians!  
AND...we didn't have to go to school for it!   

[StatFreak]

Wow interesting!  I wonder if that is a documented known trick with IGT?

Hell no! We know more than IGT technicians! 
AND...we didn't have to go to school for it!   

NLGU. Goooooo Slots!!!     "...and in the news tonight, the NLG Slots hit three runs on the line tonight, putting the Phillies on tilt and clinching their slot in their first World Series since 2002."  (Here's hoping that I don't have to amend this in the next few minutes -- the game is almost over...  )

Ahh, yes, Good ol' En-Ell-Goo!


Stat