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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2005, 09:34:20 PM »   

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I just got a Mikon Controller and display - the device reads EMPTY on the screen.

I hooked up a 9pin straight through Male to Female cable from the laptop and ran the PSP 2.0 program.

Depending on which controller I choose (Con1, Con2, Old) I get a communication error.

What am I doing wrong ? 
 
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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2005, 12:38:32 AM »   

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Is this a conI, conII or a supercontroller? The conI and conII controllers will send to the display the messages from files in this order--JP0, JP1, JP0, JP2, JP0, JP3, JP0 and over again. There are dip switch settings to enable an idle message to display untill a coin in is sensed, then it will display the JP amount as entered in JP0.
  JP1, JP2, JP3 are used to display lesser jackpots and advertising messages. If they are empty, then only the JP0 amount will be displayed. If the dips are set to display an idle message and there is no message in the message file then you will get an "empty" displayed on the display. Also in the conI and conII programs on the laptop, I think on page 3, there is a setting (F3) that enables MSG for message control. This should be ---. I'm writing this from memory so it may be approxamate. When I go to work tommorrow I will get the dip settings for the conI and conII. 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2005, 08:57:39 AM »   

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This is easy....There are no dip switches.

There is a 2 positon switch which appears to be on/off as all the LEDs on the board go off when it is in one position.
There is a second 2 position switch which brings up what appears to be a identification setting. Something like GCON=1.
There are then two small touch buttons. One which increment GCON=1 thru GCON=64 and then back to 1.
The second touch button puts it to other screens with simmilar settings and again I can use that first button to increment the values.
Everything is set to 1.



 
 
 

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2005, 09:15:02 PM »   

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Jay, I think you need this:

And Joey, could you start a Mikohn folder in the database, please.

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2005, 04:19:25 AM »   

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Mikohn Error Codes (pre-1998);

There are two general categories of error codes;
Display & Controller.

Display error codes;
C1 Display has lost communication with controller.
    Perhaps a broken wire or unplugged.
C2 Current value too long for display.
    Parameters incorrectly set.
C3 Verify error on data written to RAM on LED logic.
    Jackfile too long?
C4 PROM limit overflow. (Jackpot value exceeds fixed limit in PROM.)
    Error in current jackpot value? (Too many digits/symbols.)


Controller error codes;
$C.10 Controller checksum failure.
         Usually associated with stand-alone or slave component.
$C.11 Bad reception. (Over 20 over-run framing errors.)
         Usually caused by loose fiber connector.
$C.30 Slave controller does not detect master controller.
         Improper switch setting on controller?
$C.31 Slave polled but not acknowledged (more than 20 failures).
         Error in fiber system. Check all fibers.


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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2005, 12:55:27 PM »   

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Code   Description
C1   Communication loss controller to display
C2   Value too long for display on current programmed JP
C3   Test pattern written to RAM on logic when read back has been corrupted
C4   PROM limit overflow. The current jp value exceeds the fixed limit value in the EPROM
C8   Sentinel Timeout (CHAMII, v3.02 only)
C9   Loss of configuration (CHAMII only)
C10   Checksum of a value in the controller has failed


CHAMII+ DISPLAY ERROR CODES
Code   Description
C1   Communication Link is down
C2   Metered Amount is too large to fit in window
C5   In MultiLink mode: Jackpot Token is not set to 8 in JPOT.DO file (PSP Message Programming)
C10   Progressive is not set up (use PSP to initialize progressive)
C12   Current Amount is greater than Limit
C14   The selected Machine Serial setting is not supported
C15   Progressive not set up correctly (Base>Limit or Base>Current or Hidden>Limit)
C52   In MS10 Machine Serial setting: A serial machine has gone off-line
CON2 CONTROLLER ERROR CODES
Code   Description
C11   Fiber bus communication error in the UART. Over 20 errors have been received from the fiber bus
C12   Programmed JP limit is less than current JP
C13   Over 20 errors have been received from the Tandy 102 or other laptop
C14   Slot machine interface communication error in UART. Over 20 errors have been received from the slot machine interface
C15   Power up JP limit failure
C16   Power brown-out
C17   RAM signature error
C18   Hidden JP (Minimum Value) is equal to or greater than the JP limit (Maximum Value)
C19   Current JP is greater than the JP limit (Maximum Value)
C20   Random Jackpot System Only – Coin-in Buffer
C21   Digit overflow
C30   Slave controller does not detect a master controller
C31   Slave being polled but has not been acknowledged after 20 retries
C32   Slave resend RAM failure
C33   Slave has ACK’d more coins than possible
C34   Master’s fiber pass through has failed after three attempts
C50   MULTI-COM is not responding
C51   Transmission/reception failure
C52   Serial Transmission/reception failure
C53   Serial machine Mystery Pay is not available
C54   Bally MultiComm error: Bad CRC

C55   Bally MultiComm error: Non BCD value
C56   Bally MultiComm error: Invalid group ID
C58   Bally MultiComm error: Wrong sequence number
C59   Bally MultiComm error: Invalid machine ID
C60   Event driven bonus not available.
C61   Event driven bonus Threshold value is 0
C77   Database error
C80   Slave controller does not detect a master present on a Random Bonus game
C81   Slave coin buffer overflow
C82   Random coin matrix buffer overflow
C83   Random coin buffer overflow
C84   Denomination multiplier overflow


SUPERLINK V1.63 AND NEWER ERROR CODES
Code   Description
C10   RAM failure is caused by bad checksum or wrong data type
C11   Fiber port serial error
C12   Jackpot group limit error: Current >Limit
C13   Programming port serial error
C14   Serial machine port serial error
C15   Power-up limit failure
C16   Power failure
C17   RAM signature failure: Causes complete factory reset
C18   Jackpot group limit error: Minimum exceeds Limit
C19   Jackpot group limit error: Random
C20   Random coin-in buffer error: Non-BCD value
C21   Digit overflows: a result was larger than 10 digits
C22   Battery backup data recovered ok
C23   Payout amount does not exist in pay-table
C24   Pay-table is invalid: Payout weights do not add up to 100%
C25   Increment value is too large: Value> 0.100 000 00
C26   Machine denomination mismatch
C29   Controller’s password has been expired
C30   Fiber time-out: Slave has not been polled
C31   Fiber time-out: Slave has not been acknowledged
C32   Slave re-sends RAM failure: Bad checksum or wrong data type
C33   Slave has acknowledged more coins than possible
C34   Master’s fiber pass through has failed after 3 attempts
C35   SIB power-up reset

C36   SIB false jackpot
C37   SIB false jackpot canceled
C40   Merchandise controller: Bonus mode is active
C41   Merchandise controller: Bonus mode is inactive
C42   DCU controller: Jackpot queue is overflow, clear jackpot queue
C50   Bally MultiComm time-out: MultiComm not responding to poll
C51   No serial machine is on-line
C52   Serial machine or SIB has gone off-line
C53   Serial machine Mystery Pay is not available
C54   Bally MultiComm error: Bad CRC
C55   Bally MultiComm error: Non BCD value
C56   Bally MultiComm error: Coin buffer overflows
C57   Bally MultiComm error: Invalid group identifier

C58   Bally MultiComm error: Wrong sequence number
C59   Bally MultiComm error: Invalid machine number
C60   Gaming Device: General Tilt
C61   Gaming Device: Power Up Reset or Game Reset
C62   Gaming Device: Coin In Error
C63   Gaming Device: Coin Out Error
C64   Gaming Device: Game RAM or EPROM Error
C65   Gaming Device: Bill Validator Error
C66   Gaming Device: Hopper Empty or Hopper Error
C67   Gaming Device: Reel Tilt
C68   Gaming Device: Reset During Payout
C70   Gaming Device: Game Door Open
C17   Gaming Device: Game Door Close
C72   Gaming Device: Drop Door Open
C73   Gaming Device: Drop Door Close
C74   Gaming Device: Bill Door Open
C75   Gaming Device: Bill Door Close
C77   Machine ID RAM failure: bad checksum or wrong data type
C80   Slave indicates no response from master
C81   Slave coin-in buffer overflows
C82   Random coin-in matrix overflows: more than 99 coins
C83   Random coin-in buffer overflows: more than 9999 coins
C84   Denomination multiplier overflows: result > 9999
C90   Single/Multi-Link: Controller mode is corrupted.
C91   Single/Multi-Link: Jackpot Group number is out of range
C92   Single/Multi-Link: Duplicated machine number
C93   Single/Multi-Link:Link Number is out of range
C94   Multi – Site: Jackpot coin-in contribution is already reported
C95   Communication between SIB - - Gaming Machine is off
C96   Communication between SIB - - Gaming Machine is on
C97   Communication between Controller – SIB is off
C98   Communication between Controller – SIB is on
C99   Auto-Polling Error: Coin-in values lower than previous poll


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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2005, 03:07:13 PM »   

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You are very welcome................................that's what this site is about, sharing knowledge I hope, without the consequences if you know what I mean...............................................................keep posting

cheers

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2005, 01:58:44 PM »   

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Ozzy,

Thanks for the information...it is greatly appreciated!

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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2005, 03:38:59 PM »   

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Quote from: Jay on November 11, 2005, 09:34:20 PM
I just got a Mikon Controller and display - the device reads EMPTY on the screen.

I hooked up a 9pin straight through Male to Female cable from the laptop and ran the PSP 2.0 program.

Depending on which controller I choose (Con1, Con2, Old) I get a communication error.

What am I doing wrong ?

Check your Chameleon driver PCB setting, A0/A1 etc etc.
 
 

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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2005, 01:48:18 AM »   

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Picture posts per Joey----

First Photo: 1X2 Overhead Sign Driver Board
Second Photo: 32 Machine CON1
Third Photo: CHAM1 /LED5 Driver Board

Descriptions added by CJ
 

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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2005, 03:31:42 AM »   

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dngrs1,

Thanks for the pictures...it's always good to have a visual reference!

Mike><>
 

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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2005, 09:25:33 AM »   

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I know Jay owns both a CHAMI and CHAMII.  Which one are you working on Jay?

Forgot how to do it for the moment, but I got my CHAMII going first with a "Rebirth".  This reset everything to factory and then let it come up with the fake jackpot of something like $1254.32 without it connected to any machine (But the laptop to rebirth it).

 

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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2005, 09:20:06 PM »   

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Check your serial cable connection ...con1 pin out is different from con2 which can use a std pc serial cable


 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2005, 10:21:39 AM »   

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From the descriptions I am currently playing with the Chami II.

I downloaded the manual and killed a tree or two printing it. I am not at home this week so I have not had a chance to read or play.

I envision a trip to radioshack to buy a cable I can re-pin.   

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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2005, 02:48:27 PM »   

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Anyone can tell me off hand if a Mikohn super controller can be used on a progressive not with a chameleon display but using a plasma screen. Or do you need a dedicated pc and program interfaced to the controller for showing animation and jackpot amounts??   

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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2005, 03:49:37 PM »   

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Not knowing too much about the Mikohn controllers, perhaps this helps from the CON2 hardware manual.  Wish I knew the actual answer.  I can't find any info on what the AGL display is??

2.3.1 Visual Display Connections
CON2 supports the following displays:
CHAMII MARK1 SUPREME
CHAMII+ MARK2 AGL
The harness shown in Appendix A (on page 28) can be used to connect CON2s to all displays listed
above, with the exception of the AGL. Visual displays are connected to the CON2 at J5 or J6. If you are
using Mark 1 Animation Displays, read the Caution on the next page.


CJ

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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2005, 04:16:17 PM »   

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The only info I could find on interfacing Mikohn to a plasma was in the AGS software manual.  So I don't think the CON2 alone will be of any use.  This is from the AGS (advanced graphics system) manual.  As you thought, it requires their Plasma PAK which appears to be a computer (which produces the VGA output for the Plasma displays) and a DCU plus other interconnect parts.

AGS 2.03™ User Manual Appendix A
Manual Version A About LCDs and Plasma DisplaYS
April 21, 1999 12 990-240-00
 

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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2005, 04:33:18 PM »   

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I have seen other controllers offered on Ebay in conjunction with a plasma display.

I don't think that the output of a CONx would drive a plasma display without some other intermediary system.

You could possilby use a PC with some kind of serial PLC to receive the display information and then combine the registers with some kind of powerpoint software to drive it.

I would call Mikohn and see what they have to offer. They might have some kind of upgrade program.

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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2005, 12:53:48 AM »   

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Jay, Cactusjack

Thanks for the replies on this one, thought as much. Will try to contact Mikohn.that's if they bother to answer their phones   

Was checking out another system which is very similar to Mikohn and it supports plasma display/progressive/mystery but is very expensive,
www.gamingsupport.com

Maybe they will sell me a package just for the plasma link up, worth a try at least.

Will post if I get any positive feedback just for your reference in future.

cheers  guys

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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2005, 09:42:18 PM »   

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Here are the pics of my units.

resize of pics

Descriptioin of Photos per CJ

Cam1 = CHAMII (CHAM2)
Cam2 = PE+ Slant Top Progressive Glass
Cam3 = "CH2 12 Cell Mini"  LED Display board
Cam4 = 12 Cell Mini Driver PCB (Back View)
Cam5 = CHAMI (CHAM1 / LED5) with 12 cell Mini
Cam6 = CHAMI (CHAM1 / LED5) with 12 cell Mini
 

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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2005, 03:47:46 AM »   

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Mikohn jackpot programming... and Error Codes...

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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2005, 07:03:58 AM »   

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I hate to burden everyone with simple neophyte sh**, but I would like to put together a progressive of WMS 401 Reel slots.  Unfortionately, I do not have the documentation for the Progressive port on the MB and would like to know the pinouts (i.e. c/o pulse, jp pulse, serial, etc.).

Also, I've only got Mikohn Supercontrollers (are they still industry wide accepted) Models Con 2I, Con 2A, Con2IF, and Con2AF.  I've also got Translux Serial and Non Serial (Prism Loader is the nonserial and Total Lux is the serial) progressive controllers.

Will these support WMS progressive systems?

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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2005, 01:57:09 PM »   

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Just got into the shop a new/used 1x2 Mikohn over head display .. 

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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2005, 10:10:38 AM »   

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I have a couple of S+'s that I'd like to "network" together to form a two machine progressive setup. What do I need in order to do this?
 
 
 

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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2005, 10:48:58 AM »   

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Mikon Con1 or Con2 link controller.
PSP software (free download) although some turkeys are selling it on ebay for 60.
Display to plug into the con1/con2.

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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2005, 12:39:50 PM »   

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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2005, 04:06:53 PM »   

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Quote from: Jay on December 02, 2005, 10:48:58 AM
Mikon Con1 or Con2 link controller.
PSP software (free download) although some turkeys are selling it on ebay for 60.
Display to plug into the con1/con2.

wow, doesn't look all that difficult, a coin relay and a jackpot relay for each machine and con1 or con2 (what's the difference between the two) and 1 external 1x2 display.  Where do I get a hold of the psp software?  Where do the relays go for the coin and the jackpot hit?

I have a 10x glass with room for an internal display, can I have the internal display of that machine be the progressive for both, instead of the external?  Also where's a good place to buy this stuff at home for fun prices?
 

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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2005, 07:41:09 PM »   

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Well the first part you need is a con1 or con2 this is the heart of the progressive system.
the wiring harnes is easy to make as it is pretty straight forward "see print above"
You can link up to 32 games with 1 controller. and run up to 4 levels of progressives

JP0 TOP AWARD
JP1 ETC
JP2 ETC
JP3 ETC

The software is PSP and can be found in the download part of this site.

I have a few con1's I am willing to sell if any one wants one..   

 

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« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2005, 07:00:09 AM »   

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Mikohn PSP Program 

Defalt Password for the PSP program.    135642 F10

 
 
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« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2005, 08:01:46 AM »   

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I too have several games with built-in large displays that go across the bottom of the award glass.  Is all I need is a CON 1, the software and the cable to get it going?  There is a 20 pin connector on the board and the number on the board is 321-003-90.

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« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2005, 09:13:56 AM »   

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Joey, Correct me if I'm wrong as I have very little experience with the Mikohn progressives.

The CON1 or CON2 IS the heart of the link progressive.  Alone, it can tally the "coins in" from a number of machines (all types of manufacturers).  It then, has to talk to a display controller which is often a large overhead display.  It can also talk to display controllers located in each individual machine.

All displays, also need a display controller of some kind to interface to the displays.  So the display panels you may see pop up on Ebay are of no use without the proper controller with the correct software to run them.

Each machine that is part of a link progressive, does not need a display.  If it has a Display, it will need some kind of a controller.  Again, we are speaking Mikohn hardware here.  The only thing a standard say IGT S+ machine needs to add jackpot increment value to an overhead progressive (linked via a CON1 or CON2) is wiring.

If your machine has some kind of display in it, it will need some kind of controller to interface to the display.  From what I know, the typical machine display is called a mini-chameleon.  The chameleon displays are those tri-colored (red green orange) dot matrix LED displays which continually "paint" different colors to each jackpot digit. There are a number of types of displays and display controllers.  The early Chameleons used a CHAMI (that's CHAM one).  Part of the display drivers were on the CHAMI controller board and connected to the LED board with a ribbon cable.  Later, Mikohn went to the CHAMII (and CHAMII+) which had not only a display controller, but also a piggy back PCB which plugs on to the back of the LED dot matrix PCB via two 14 pin headers.  The CHAMII controller is then connected to the piggy back driver board with a 10 pin ribbon cable and a two pin power cable.  Later, they developed the CHAMIII (that's CHAM3) which replaced the separate controller and plugged directly on the back of the LED dot matrix display.

So games, can have a "Stand Alone" Progressive Controller indicated by the label on the Mikon CHAM board (like CH2 / STA).  Some game may have the same controller, but it is a link controller and must be interfaced with a CON1 or CON2 to get its information.  The stand alone controller is just like it states.  All by itself, it can tally coins in from the machine, and increment up to 4 Progressive jackpot levels (I think) and display them on various types of "in machine displays".  When the machine hits a progressive jackpot, it locks up and the Progressive display may change its normal display indicating the win and the value.  Just like any other machine jackpot, it is a hand pay and will be cleared by the attendant at the machine.  The progressive controller then has stored values to allow it to reset and begin counting again.  The increment values (percentages) are also stored in the stand alone controller.

In the case of a linked controller (CON1 or CON2), the CON holds the increment values, the reset and max values etc. and relays this information to the overhead displays or back to each machine's link controller to be displayed in each machine also.

The PSP software spoken of, is used to set up all these devices.  It is DOS software which via a special RS232 type cable, allows the operator to view and or change the values related to how the controller or display controllers work and what form of jackpot (coins or $$$) and the Jackpot hit messages etc..  For CON1 and CON2 communication, it requires a special RS232 cable which has pins 2, 3 and 5 connected straight through, and also has pin 1 jumpered to pin 5 at the connector which plugs into the CON controller plug.  This tells the Con there is something plugged in.  I personally have had no problem using a straight through 9 pin cable when connecting to a CHAMII+.  This is not true of any of the other older controllers (CON1/2).  Additionally, on display controller boards with LINK software installed (CHAMI, CHAMII) the RS232 port will not respond at all.

Keep in mind, IGT also made their own Progressive displays for their S+ machines which (as far as I know) are all stand alone 1 or 2 jackpot displays.  The Progressive Driver board can support up to 4 progressive levels but more commonly is seen as a 1 or 2 level progressive.  Usually it only has simple 7 segment Red LED digits which show up in place of those removable top jackpot labels.  However, on their newer equipment, they now use a system called NETPLEX which is used to talk to various devices inside each machine (displays, ticket printers etc.)  For the NETPLEX machines (S2000), they have their own stand alone dot matrix controllers which control a display which very closely resembles the Mikohn Chameleon displays.

Hope this helps you better understand what may be needed to get those progressives going!

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« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2005, 09:28:58 AM »   

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Anyone know what this one is???  I contacted the seller and he says it's an IGT unit.

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« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2005, 09:47:49 AM »   

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I wish we had a better picture of the board but from the looks of it, I think it is an IGT stand alone 2 level progressive.  Most (if not all) of the S+ SP type chips send serial information for up to 4 jackpot levels to the wiring to the head.  There, another microcontroller board is used to translate this data into display information.  While on the older tiny 7 segment displays, it was nothing more than the numbers, on this dot matrix, it is still apparently just displaying dollar values.  The board and wiring look an awful lot like that standard IGT set up.

Besides paying shipping from Japan, the tuff part would be finding a game title with the proper glass to use these two large displays.  It all appears to be the entire assembly that would go into a 16 inch top box.  But one could assume the seller has that too???

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« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2005, 09:53:58 AM »   

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Actually, the seller says all he has is a 9 inch chop top machine.  He confirmed that it's for a 16 inch machine.   He got it working but can't put it in his machine so it's up for sale.  Shipping from Japan to the US kind of makes is untouchable.   I'd like to find a CON1 or 2 here in the US to experiment with.

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« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2005, 10:02:20 AM »   

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Well, Joey says he has some CON1's for sale.  Give him a hollar!

I guess a CON2 is worth about $1000 on the market although we did see an untested one from a non casino source go for just over $250 a while back on Ebay.  The CON2 is much more versatile and still in use by many casinos thereby keeping the surplus value high.

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« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2005, 10:10:36 AM »   

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Quote from: Cactusjack on December 03, 2005, 09:13:56 AM
Joey, Correct me if I'm wrong as I have very little experience with the Mikohn progressives.

The CON1 or CON2 IS the heart of the link progressive.  Alone, it can tally the "coins in" from a number of machines (all types of manufacturers).  It then, has to talk to a display controller which is often a large overhead display.  It can also talk to display controllers located in each individual machine.

All displays, also need a display controller of some kind to interface to the displays.  So the display panels you may see pop up on Ebay are of no use without the proper controller with the correct software to run them.

Each machine that is part of a link progressive, does not need a display.  If it has a Display, it will need some kind of a controller.  Again, we are speaking Mikohn hardware here.  The only thing a standard say IGT S+ machine needs to add jackpot increment value to an overhead progressive (linked via a CON1 or CON2) is wiring.

If your machine has some kind of display in it, it will need some kind of controller to interface to the display.  From what I know, the typical machine display is called a mini-chameleon.  The chameleon displays are those tri-colored (red green orange) dot matrix LED displays which continually "paint" different colors to each jackpot digit. There are a number of types of displays and display controllers.  The early Chameleons used a CHAMI (that's CHAM one).  Part of the display drivers were on the CHAMI controller board and connected to the LED board with a ribbon cable.  Later, Mikohn went to the CHAMII (and CHAMII+) which had not only a display controller, but also a piggy back PCB which plugs on to the back of the LED dot matrix PCB via two 14 pin headers.  The CHAMII controller is then connected to the piggy back driver board with a 10 pin ribbon cable and a two pin power cable.  Later, they developed the CHAMIII (that's CHAM3) which replaced the separate controller and plugged directly on the back of the LED dot matrix display.

So games, can have a "Stand Alone" Progressive Controller indicated by the label on the Mikon CHAM board (like CH2 / STA).  Some game may have the same controller, but it is a link controller and must be interfaced with a CON1 or CON2 to get its information.  The stand alone controller is just like it states.  All by itself, it can tally coins in from the machine, and increment up to 4 Progressive jackpot levels (I think) and display them on various types of "in machine displays".  When the machine hits a progressive jackpot, it locks up and the Progressive display may change its normal display indicating the win and the value.  Just like any other machine jackpot, it is a hand pay and will be cleared by the attendant at the machine.  The progressive controller then has stored values to allow it to reset and begin counting again.  The increment values (percentages) are also stored in the stand alone controller.

In the case of a linked controller (CON1 or CON2), the CON holds the increment values, the reset and max values etc. and relays this information to the overhead displays or back to each machine's link controller to be displayed in each machine also.

The PSP software spoken of, is used to set up all these devices.  It is DOS software which via RS232 9pin cables, allows the operator to view and or change the values related to how the controller or display controllers work and what form of jackpot (coins or $$$) and the Jackpot hit messages etc..

Keep in mind, IGT also made their own Progressive displays for their S+ machines which (as far as I know) are all stand alone 1 or 2 jackpot displays.  Usually simple 7 segment LED digits which show up in place of those removable top jackpot labels.  However, on their newer equipment, they now use a system called NETPLEX which is used to talk to various devices inside each machine (displays, ticket printers etc.)  For the NETPLEX machines (S2000), they have their own stand alone dot matrix controllers which control a display which very closely resembles the Mikohn Chameleon displays.

Hope this helps you better understand what may be needed to get those progressives going!

CJ

You hit the nail right on the head with your post CJ...   
 
 

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« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2005, 10:20:39 AM »   

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I guess I should have put a price for the con1 with the pics.. 

A shopped out working con1 is going for 350.00 PUT ON EBAY as they are getting really hard to find... "have never seen one on ebay"

and all the meaters in the world won't work if you dont have a con1 or con2.. 
a working con2 is going for 1000.00 but I don't have any   
 
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« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2005, 11:15:35 AM »   

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For Joey........Here are photos of my display board.


I resized your pics lol   

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« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2005, 11:40:19 AM »   

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What you have there is the display......

look at the pics I upload this will help put all the pices in place..   

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« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2005, 12:05:20 PM »   

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idesign I think we can find you the led5 some one out here has one im sure....
The one I have I think is spoken for if not I will be selling it...   
 
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« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2005, 03:45:19 PM »   

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There is a CHAMII+ on ebay but it's missong the all important firmware for U19.  I'd like to bid on it but without this chip it's useless.  Anyone know where this chip can be acquired?

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« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2005, 08:35:32 AM »   

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There is a CHAMII+ on ebay but it's missong the all important firmware for U19.  I'd like to bid on it but without this chip it's useless.  Anyone know where this chip can be acquired?

I can find it but your display is not set up for a CHAMII+  it's a led5 look at the pics on post..
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« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2005, 09:54:24 AM »   

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Hello All. I'm on a quest for information on the Mikohn Spectrum Display. Specifically the driver board part number 341-010-30. Actually any information at this point but the general overview of the problem is this: The display is inoperative and swapping in a known good driver board makes it work again. At this stage of the game in our facility we are not doing board level repairs though I hope one day this changes. I'm after any info on fixes for this board and if they exist, schematics. Thanks to all.

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« Reply #50 on: December 25, 2005, 02:53:45 PM »   

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a pic is worth a 1000 words.   

The photo of the diagram that Joey included is kind of fuzzy but it looks like the connection from the CON1 to the LED5 is from J2, pins 3 & 4 on CON1, to J4 pins 1 & 2 on the LED5.  Can someone confirm this?

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« Reply #51 on: December 25, 2005, 11:11:27 PM »   

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On the Con1...

Depending on the sub species of the CON1 it will have 2 or 3 banks of pins.

On both there is the words written as Display....(8 pins)  on one of my units (designed for 5 machines) this is labled J2
on the other designed for 32 machines it is J3

On the Display connector labled as J2 or J3
Pins 1,2 are get connected to the 2 pin connector on the LED5.
Pins 1,2 are parallel to 3,4  & 5,6 & 7,8 although 8 seems dead on my con1(s).

It was a lot simpler for me to run 1&2 to a screw terminal block that I then used to connect up mutiple LED5s.

Just a matter of note. Look at the circuit board. You will see which side is labled Pin 1.


 

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« Reply #52 on: December 26, 2005, 03:15:48 AM »   

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CON1 CONTROLLER PIN OUT


J1 Input Connector:
Pin #   Function
16-1   Machine Select #1-16
17   Data B (Based on Machine Type)
18   Data A (Based on Machine Type)


J2 Input Connector:
Pin #   Function
16-3   Machine Select #17-30
17   Data D (Based on Machine Type)
18   Data C (Based on Machine Type)


J3 Display Output:
Pin #   Function
1-2   Circuit A+, Circuit A-
3-4   Circuit B+, Circuit B-
5-6   Circuit C+, Circuit C-
7-8   Not Connected

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« Reply #53 on: December 26, 2005, 05:03:30 AM »   

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OK, mine only has a J1 & J2.  I see what you mean. It's more clear when I flipped the board over to the circuit side.   

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« Reply #54 on: December 26, 2005, 12:01:18 PM »   

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I don't seem to be able to communicate with the CON1 and the LED5 using the PSP software.  I'm using a standard RS-232 cable. I don't get any communication errors when I sellect CON1, the MS-DOS screen is just blank with no messages.  Do I need a special configured cable?

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« Reply #55 on: December 26, 2005, 12:17:43 PM »   

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The LED5 doesn't speak to the PC. The 9pin on that is dead with the LINK chip it only speaks to the CON1 though the 2 pin interface at the end of the unit.

With respect to the CON1, Pins 4&5 need to be shorted.

You will know if it is working (even without the LED5 and display) if you go into Jackpot programming.
Set the jackpot at say 12345 Press F1 for a send. You can then 0' that out and press F5 for a Read.
If it re-populates with the 12345 then its speaking ok,

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« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2005, 02:54:52 PM »   

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The controllers I have programmed do NOT use a straight through cable. If you need the pinout email me and I will post.

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« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2005, 06:08:52 PM »   

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Quote from: pinmike on December 30, 2005, 02:54:52 PM
The controllers I have programmed do NOT use a straight through cable. If you need the pinout email me and I will post.

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Which controllers are you using?  CON1?  CON2?

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« Reply #58 on: January 01, 2006, 05:56:02 PM »   

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there's currently a person offering these Mikohn display controllers with a led board.  Are these the ones referred to as LEDS?

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« Reply #59 on: January 01, 2006, 06:20:28 PM »   

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No - these are Display driver boards used for the larger signs right on the back of the sign. They drive the LED modules but require a data feed from another source.

In addition to these boards you also need a Chami or Chamii to feed the driver board.
If the Chami or Chamii are link versions then you also need a CON1 or CON2 to dirive the link boards.

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« Reply #60 on: January 01, 2006, 09:14:25 PM »   

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Does a prom determine whether or not a chami is a link or stand-alone?   I want to set up a mikohn progressive, so correct me if I have my "facts" wrong.  I need.

1. Dispay with driver.
2. Chami or chamII (are these what are known as leds?)
3. a Con1 or 2 if I want linked progressives.

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« Reply #61 on: January 01, 2006, 09:59:24 PM »   

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You are on the mark.....for MIKON equipment.

A couple of the finer points...
- I think its pretty unusual to see the display driver boards being offered up without a display. These are usually pretty integrated.
- The LED5 is a LINK device, usually just used with a CON1/2/
- The CON1/CON2 have no capabilities of driving a display directly and need a LED5
- A ChamI or ChamIiI with the link (Eprom) is a LED5. It is interfaced to the CON1 with a 2 wire data connection.
- A ChamI, ChamII or ChamII+ is usually a standalone device that uses a ribbon cable to connect directly to the display for a in-machine progressive.
- PSP is the software that speaks to either the ChamII+ or the CON1.

You often see payglass on ebay that has the display integrated into topglass.

IGT also sells their own progressive displays. They have small units that go behind the payglass stickers.
 

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« Reply #62 on: January 06, 2006, 10:40:54 AM »   

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Great info on the Mikohn stuff peoples!!!!  I currently have 3 standalone progressive machines installed....altho...i have 3 displays without the piggy back boards....my displays are 12 segment displays....i need them so that i can run text one 1 display and continue using my progressive display at the same time.

not really sure how much these should cost as used/tested...any clue?

I will be asking for these in the "want ad" section also.

thanks!!!!

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« Reply #63 on: January 06, 2006, 11:12:31 AM »   

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Your display boards do have electronics on the backs of them do they not ??
The boards being offered up on ebay would interface to the actual display segments.

Just like you described you usually don't see these things as two separate pieces.

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« Reply #64 on: January 06, 2006, 11:47:23 AM »   

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My 12 segment displays do require the piggy back boards...they have connectors to plug into the actual electronics on the back of the displays which allow you to connect via ribbon cables to the controller.....

dont really need anymore displays laying around...just the piggy back board would be nice so i can run both text and jackpot amounts at the same time.

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« Reply #65 on: January 06, 2006, 12:31:21 PM »   

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If you are running a ChamiII2 and using PSP you could run both amounts and text at the same time.
In the Jackpot.do file you simply need to add in a Jackpot token followed by a 0 (or 1,2,3,4) and you can intermix.

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right.....i can do that but i need the piggy back for the displays to connect via ribbon cable........2 of my machines are set up with 2 displays....one to run text and one for the progressive jackpot...i need the piggy back board to hook the text up while im running the progressive.....only problem is...i dont have enuf piggy back boards to run them all at the same time.

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Yea i think you are right....i would think that there has to be parts laying around in someones shop or parts box's but i could be wrong....hoping someone might have an option in here.....

thanks for your help!!!

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« Reply #69 on: January 06, 2006, 04:02:25 PM »   

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Quote from: idesign on January 06, 2006, 03:24:04 PM
I think you are going to find it difficult if not impossible just finding the piggy back boards without the display.   

My thoughts on the missing piggy back boards:

The same display board is used for both the CHAMII+ and the CHAMIII.  The CHAMIII is actually the piggy back board (instead of a separate driver and controller board).  As the Glass (game kit) was pulled off the floor and converted to another game title, the CHAMIII were put back on the shelf.  The glass and LED displays (which are double sided taped on pretty damn good) are left on the glass and untimately sold off when they clean house.

So, yes, it will be difficult to find just the old CHAMII+ driver boards.  But more and more displays, missing the board, will show up over time.

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« Reply #70 on: January 06, 2006, 04:15:03 PM »   

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OH arent you just a bundle of good news!! 

i would be knocking on casino tech's doors bribing any of them that i could but dont live near any!!

Thanks!!!

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« Reply #71 on: January 06, 2006, 04:17:13 PM »   

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So how did you end up with these piggy backless boards to begin with?

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« Reply #72 on: January 06, 2006, 04:37:17 PM »   

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i bought 1 from an auction on ebay, i knew it didnt have the back but wasnt to concerned...bought a couple of kits that the display was attatched but no board

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« Reply #74 on: January 07, 2006, 02:16:50 PM »   

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Hi Joey,

Will a Con1 work with a Mikohn 250 Supreme 2x3 Meter?

Thanks!

 

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« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2006, 03:38:44 PM »   

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I don't think so you need a con2 super controller to drive that sign..

I seen one at http://www.usedcasinoequipment.com  last month for sale for 1300.00
You mite want to give them a call.... and see if they have any..   
 
 

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« Reply #81 on: January 08, 2006, 03:18:45 PM »   

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That's not the correct board.   The board he is loking for is for a Mikohn display and can be seen in this auction on ebay:


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« Reply #82 on: January 09, 2006, 01:19:56 PM »   

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I notice that on Mikohn stuff, the "overhead display are described as" 1 x 2 display, Does this mean two line displays?  And on the LED5 displays 12 cells, does that mean 12 characters?

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« Reply #83 on: January 09, 2006, 01:31:19 PM »   

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I notice that on Mikohn stuff, the "overhead display are described as" 1 x 2 display, Does this mean two line displays?  And on the LED5 displays 12 cells, does that mean 12 characters?

Not really.

On the 1 X 2. It is indicating that it is made up of two of the larger panels - end to end.  A 2 X 3 is two panels tall, and three panels wide.  You might have noticed some of these larger display panels showing up on Ebay individually for anywhere from $150 to $300 per panel.

On the LED5 or Mini Chameloens, the 12 cell indicates how many Dot Matrix LED "Blocks" they used on the board.  These blocks are 5 dots wide and 8 dots high.  In this case, that pretty much does translate to 12 characters wide.

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« Reply #84 on: January 09, 2006, 01:37:46 PM »   

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The word MEGABUCKS just fits nicely.
MONAGHAN MEGABUCKS can be displayed either scrolling or alternating.
Its just over $1800 having started off at $250 (1000 coins) which was the top payout on EarthQuake.

So not exactly Mega yet .....

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« Reply #85 on: January 09, 2006, 02:59:15 PM »   

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The ultimate in NLG teamwork would be to have all our progessives linked through a vpn, now that would be cool!!!  Whoever hits the NLG progressive wins an all expenses paid vacation to your very own living room couch, plus bragging rights until the next person wins??

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« Reply #86 on: January 09, 2006, 08:20:44 PM »   

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The word MEGABUCKS just fits nicely.
MONAGHAN MEGABUCKS can be displayed either scrolling or alternating.
Its just over $1800 having started off at $250 (1000 coins) which was the top payout on EarthQuake.

So not exactly Mega yet .....

Darn If I can just get the modified paytable chip to work we can test how all these progressive settings work out.  Still working on the checksum issue.
 

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« Reply #87 on: January 10, 2006, 07:16:16 PM »   

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Does anyone know what the two jumpers are for on the Piggyback board for the Mini Chameleons?

Anyone have a part number for the 2 pin power plug, or the Ribbon cable plugs? 

I would guess that the Mini Chameleons require a 5 Volt supply, Am I correct?

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« Reply #88 on: January 10, 2006, 07:23:26 PM »   

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Not sure on exact part numbers for connectors.

The 2 pin power connector is standard 0.156" Molex inline.

The Header is standard 10 pin (2X5)  IDC type header 0.100" centers (neumerous makers).

The power going to a 12 cell Mini Chameleon is +5VDC regulated while the power going to the CHAMII+ control PCB is +10.5VDC but 12VDC works just fine since it is regulated down to 5 on the CHAMII+ board.

 

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« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2006, 02:44:24 PM »   

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Purchased a Mikohn con1 from joey_lc on E-bay.  Now where do I get the other stuff to link up my 2 S+'s
 

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« Reply #90 on: January 17, 2006, 03:17:01 PM »   

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All you need to do is configure the harness to connect your machines, no hardware required. Common between machines are joined together, serial return is dito and the coin in signal is pinned out from each machine accordingly.

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« Reply #92 on: January 18, 2006, 09:54:43 AM »   

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I don't have a display yet.  I wanted to obtain an external display.
When you say "external" display are you talking one of the Large Overhead Displays (often refered to as a meter)?

If so, they come in a bunch of different arrangements.  Basically, they are classified as 1 X 2, 2 X 3, 3 X 5 etc.  This refers to the number of LARGE panels used to make up the display.  There is currently a seller on Ebay which has the individual Panels. Minimum, you would need 2 panels to make a 1 X 2.  That would be one panel high and two panels wide (1X2).  You would then also require a power supply, a Controller board and all the necessary wiring. The CON1 is not the display controller but rather the progressive data controller.  The CON1 gathers the coin data and sends this out to the IN MACHINE DISPLAYS and the OVERHEAD DISPLAYS. 

The CON2 is basically the same as the CON1 but offers more features and has a more contemporary way of linking more units.  However, according to Joey, the CON2 is not compatible with the older hardware (LED5, CHAMII, Old Sign 1X2).  And therefore, the Newer CHAMII+ only speaks CON2 and not the older CON1.

The Overhead sign parts are usually contained in a gold display box which is then part of a larger sign (Those pretty Neon and Chase Light Displays above a bank of machines).  Of course, these can be quite costly unless they are game specific and the game is no longer on Casino's floors. Of course, buying all the individual parts, you might be able to put together a Generic Overhead and then build an enclosure for it.

IF you are talking the smaller displays which are normally found in a Machine itself behind the top pay glass they are usually 2" by 15" and of course, you could also mount those in a display box.  There are two basic versions of these.  One is often refered to as an LED5 which has intergrated drivers on the controller board for the LED display.  These LED5 displays are often smaller than the standard progressive window you find in most S+ Progressive top Pay Glasses.  The other type is from the CHAMII line (Chameleon 2).  There are CHAMII (no Plus sign) which as far as I know, are link only (not stand alone).  These require data sent to them by a link controller like the CON1.  There are also CHAMII+ which can be both link and stand alone.  Stand alone meaning it can sit in an individual machine and drive an LED display and tally coins in and progressive amounts in that machine.  The CHAMII line uses 12 cell mini chameleon displays which had an add on piggy back driver board as part of thier display board.

There is also a CHAMIII which intergrates a lot of these various boards and plugs directly on the back of the 12 Cell Mini Chameleon.  These are rather new and still used by the casinos so it is unlikely you will find these on the resale market.

I am not aware of what the actual board inside an Overhead sign are called.  But there is also a board made after the CHAMII+ which is called a SUPREME controller.  It can apparently be used for both an In machine Link or stand alone as well as controlling an overhead display.

Rumor has it, the Ebay seller with the Panels also has the various other MIKOHN components.  You might want to send him an email.  He also appears to be very knowlegable on the product.

One NLG member was trying to put togther a deal including everything necessary to link 3 S+ machines.  The cost for the Equipment was in Excess of $1000 with only a generic 1X2 sign.

Good Luck on your search and keep us posted if you get one up and running.  It seems that Progressive displays is a very desirable step after someone becomes and owner of a few slot machines.

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« Reply #93 on: January 18, 2006, 12:03:18 PM »   

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I don't really want a MEGA display sign, there is a picture in the auction of a sign on a golden (appears metallic) box.  Jay also has a picture of his setup in the restoration thread where he set up a display in the tracking bracket.  The big sign that says Megabucks (on top of the tron game) is in the lines of what I'd like to have, is that a 1x2?  I have a couple of glasses with the progressive windows 2x15, but If I use those, then whenever I would make a game change, I'd loose my display, that's why I want to go external.  I've written the guy in e-bay (some guy in LV that was selling the displays with the display boards I assume) to see what he says.

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« Reply #94 on: January 18, 2006, 12:12:58 PM »   

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I don't really want a MEGA display sign, there is a picture in the auction of a sign on a golden (appears metallic) box.  Jay also has a picture of his setup in the restoration thread where he set up a display in the tracking bracket.  The big sign that says Megabucks (on top of the tron game) is in the lines of what I'd like to have, is that a 1x2?  I have a couple of glasses with the progressive windows 2x15, but If I use those, then whenever I would make a game change, I'd loose my display, that's why I want to go external.

Yes, Jay's Overhead is a 1X2.  Jay and Joey's photos are of the same exact hardware. The player tracking bracket is a custom modification he did on his own - Which I have to say was a great Idea!  This way, his display stays with the cabinet and he CAN change out games without them needing to be progressive glass titles.  His player tracking units are LED5's witht the smaller displays.  Keep in mind, he also had to modify the cabinet a bit to get the PCB to fit.

What you want to do is about the simplest form of Progressive.  The CON1 can connecto up to a number of machines and then drive the data to an overhead Meter.  I have to say, Jay's is the first one I have seen come up for auction on Ebay and it still took the handy work and resources of Joey to get it all together for him.  The Guy in Vegas selling panels has already stated he does not have any "signs".

As I recall, we found a few sign sellers by doing google searches of key words like Mikohn 1X2 and such.  However, I was affraid to ask about pricing after seeing a few sites that DID list prices.

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« Reply #95 on: January 18, 2006, 12:16:36 PM »   

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so would it be easier to obtain a 2x15 led5 and chameleon and put that in a box (as far as cost and availability is concerned)?  I"m going to google to see what I can come up with.  I'm kind of a patient guy when it comes to saving money, so if it is way out of hand, I'll just keep my eye out on e-bay for parts.

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« Reply #96 on: January 18, 2006, 12:23:54 PM »   

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Quote from: ninja66 on January 18, 2006, 12:16:36 PM
so would it be easier to obtain a 2x15 led5 and chameleon and put that in a box (as far as cost and availability is concerned)?  I"m going to google to see what I can come up with.  I'm kind of a patient guy when it comes to saving money, so if it is way out of hand, I'll just keep my eye out on e-bay for parts.

Yes, that would be a realistic route to take since you already own a CON1 now.  However, I think the 2"X15" display is actually rather rare for an LED5 setup.

Thanks to Joey, I have a number of CHAM2 boards I am going through for him.  However, I don't think we have any spare LED displays to go with them.  I also have some LED5 boards I am working on for Jay but again, we have no spare LEDs to go with them.

There was an ebay seller a while back that was selling the LED5 units.  He claimed to have 8 at the time.  But a few other NLGers have since purchased from him.  Hopefully, one of them can post some contact info if they want to "give up their source".  These were the smaller LEDs.

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« Reply #97 on: January 18, 2006, 12:42:13 PM »   

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Just so I get my terminology correct, are the led5's the chameleons with the link chip or am I totally off.  From your post I gather that what you don't have is the physical LED board with the display driver on the back?

Also I thought that the 2x15 displays were used commonly with the chameleons for in-machine displays

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« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2006, 01:27:01 PM »   

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Quote from: ninja66 on January 18, 2006, 12:42:13 PM
Just so I get my terminology correct, are the led5's the chameleons with the link chip or am I totally off.  From your post I gather that what you don't have is the physical LED board with the display driver on the back?

Also I thought that the 2x15 displays were used commonly with the chameleons for in-machine displays?

It is difficult to get the terminology correct as sometimes these things are called something different than what is actually screened or printed on the PCBs.  The Chameleon name is what Mikohn calls their Tri Color LED dot Displays.  They also make some displays I think they called Proton which are only really LARGE LED digits and can display the numbers only (no dots).  I am guessing these are the much older overhead stuff.

The LED5 board uses a special LED board since some of the drivers are on the actual controller board (no piggy back board).  It is connected with a 20 pin ribbon cable, no power harness.  As far as WE know, the LED5 board can only be used in a link system.

The 2"X15" LED board is silk screened as a "CHAM2 12 CELL Mini" and can be driven by both a CHAMII and a CHAMII+ (has piggy back driver PCB).  IT is connected with a 10 pin ribbon cable and uses a 2 pin power connector to feed +5 to the display electronics. This same Display can be driven with a CHAMIII (3) in place of the piggy back driver board.  The CHAMIII does not use a ribbon cable since it is plugged directly onto the display PCB.  As far as WE know, a CHAMII can only be used in a Link System.  A CHAMII+ can be used as both Link and Stand Alone.

And yes, the 2"X15" display would normally be what is found behind a progressive window.  However, I know of two different sizes of 12 cell displays which are both used with the LED5 controller board.  We don't actually know what game(s)/Platforms were designed to use the smaller display since most of the IGT and Bally Glass has a window which measures 2 inches by 15 inches.  The LED bricks on the smaller board measures 10 1/4" by 1 1/4"

I personally don't have it straight as to whether an LED5 is actually a  CHAM1.  The controller board that Joey calls an LED5 is silk screened as follows "2 inch Chameleon Slave Rev A"  It would be assumed that the first Chameleon controller board would not be refered to as a CHAM1 until the CHAM2 came along???

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« Reply #99 on: January 18, 2006, 01:47:30 PM »   

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so In essence what I would need is a 2"x15" display LED, and CHAMII and a power supply for the CHAMII (As I already have a Con1), plus some box to put it in.   

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« Reply #100 on: January 18, 2006, 01:54:59 PM »   

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Quote from: ninja66 on January 18, 2006, 01:47:30 PM
so In essence what I would need is a 2"x15" display LED, and CHAMII and a power supply for the CHAMII (As I already have a Con1), plus some box to put it in. 

Sounds about right to me.

 

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« Reply #101 on: January 18, 2006, 04:43:20 PM »   

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Joey Here is what I have on the 9 pin con1/con 2 data cable (RS232 Cable)

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« Reply #102 on: January 18, 2006, 09:01:34 PM »   

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I have two large manuals and I am not sure which one it is in. I think it is the Con1 manual but it might be the Chamii+ manual.
In either case one of them they have all the switch settings for each of the boards. The LED5 unit that CJ described in the earlier post matches up switch for switch with the Cham1. 

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« Reply #104 on: January 19, 2006, 08:48:27 AM »   

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Sounds like you got a dam good deal at $75.00 each I was just about to list a led5 on NLG Auctions.... but no where near that cheap... 
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« Reply #103 on: January 19, 2006, 08:29:27 AM »   

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WOOT WOOT!!!  Just found 2 sets of ChamII's with 2x15 displays for $75.00 each!! on their way!!!
 
 
 
 

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« Reply #108 on: January 19, 2006, 09:23:45 AM »   

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« Reply #109 on: January 19, 2006, 09:52:00 AM »   

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Can the ChamII's be changed to Stand Alones by replacing the eprom?

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« Reply #110 on: January 19, 2006, 11:31:58 AM »   

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Can the ChamII's be changed to Stand Alones by replacing the eprom?

To the best of "our" knowledge, no a CHAMII (CH2 not plus) cannot be anything but a link driver.  Therefore, you will need a CON1 to send the progressive data to it.

And the latest information I just learned is that the CHAMII+ cannot be used with a CON1.  It will only speak CON2.  This has not been totally verified but does come from a reliable source = Joey!.

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« Reply #111 on: January 19, 2006, 11:51:47 AM »   

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oh well.  I got the Con1 from Joey anyway, so I'll just have to use it all the time then.  So my ChamII's with the con1 plus some creative wiring and I'm all done.  What is the difference between PSP 1.0 and PSP 2.0?

 

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« Reply #112 on: January 19, 2006, 12:25:35 PM »   

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Quote from: ninja66 on January 19, 2006, 11:51:47 AM
oh well.  I got the Con1 from Joey anyway, so I'll just have to use it all the time then.  So my ChamII's with the con1 plus some creative wiring and I'm all done.  What is the difference between PSP 1.0 and PSP 2.0?



Actually, the wiring is not all that "Creative".  As I understand it, there will be two wires to feed the data from the CON1 to all the in machine displays.

Then, there will be two wires to feed the coin in signal from EACH machine you want to contribute to the progressive amount back to the CON1.

So, if your CHAMII are all self contained (power supply, display etc) Then you will have two sets of two wires going from each machine back to the CON1.

 

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« Reply #113 on: January 19, 2006, 04:19:10 PM »   

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Found this on a post at http://slot-techs.com/ forum so i kind of borrowed it for reposting here...
 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #114 on: January 19, 2006, 04:23:10 PM »   

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Yeah, that was posted in response to a question I had regarding the RS-232 cable connection to a CHAMII+.  I ended up just jumping pins 1 and 5 on the pc side of the CHAMII+ with a little wire wrap wire and a touch of solder.  Works like a charm now.

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« Reply #115 on: January 19, 2006, 04:25:00 PM »   

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« Reply #117 on: January 20, 2006, 08:22:25 AM »   

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Ninja66.....does your contact have any displays?  I have 4 of the LED5's, just need the displays for the award glass.....

thanks!!

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« Reply #118 on: January 20, 2006, 04:58:38 PM »   

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THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS I AM DOING FOR A FRIEND.

CHAMII+ IN- MACHINE STAND ALONE PIN OUT......

WORKING IN THE GAME END OF IT NOW.
 

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« Reply #119 on: January 20, 2006, 05:06:31 PM »   

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What version of the firmware is on that board?  I hear the latest is Version 2.11.

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« Reply #120 on: January 20, 2006, 05:08:18 PM »   

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« Reply #121 on: January 20, 2006, 07:55:15 PM »   

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« Reply #125 on: January 23, 2006, 08:48:32 AM »   

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Anjhurin thank you for the Technical Bulletins the mikohn stuff  data sheets/Technical Bulletins/manuals/ and other stuff is verry hard to come by..................     Mikohn did not want to give up nada........... 

I will move your files over to the down load database asap.....

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« Reply #126 on: January 24, 2006, 09:27:56 AM »   

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Does anybody know if the Mikohn PSP program works under Windows XP? I've got it installed on XP now with com port 1 enabled using a usb to serial cable. I am getting strange errors like "no acknowledgement from controller 1" and error loading data from controller 1". The cable I have is good, it's been tested on another computer. It does send info back and forth to the controller. Sometimes you have to hit the f1/f2 buttons a few times but it does work sometimes. But more times then not it locks up and I have to kill it. Any thoughts?

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« Reply #127 on: January 24, 2006, 09:31:23 AM »   

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I have a desktop and a laptop, both with Windows XP on them and they communicate fine using PSP 2.0.  PSP 2.03 is a bit problematic at times.  I presume you have pins 1 and 5 jumpered on your cable or the Mikohn device you are trying to communicate with?

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« Reply #128 on: January 24, 2006, 09:39:24 AM »   

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PSP is a true dos program.... and as far as I know XP dose not offer a true dos environment...... Thanks Bill Gates 

it works grate with Win  98.SE Dos.....   

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« Reply #129 on: January 24, 2006, 10:36:54 AM »   

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I think your mileage will vary with PSP.  I have an older Dell laptop with Win98SE on it and it doesn't work on it.  I also tried Windows ME and it didn't work either, but my XP machines run fine.  Go figure.

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« Reply #130 on: January 24, 2006, 11:10:21 AM »   

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doesn't run on my laptop with windows XP.  Idesign, is your filesystem on your xp machines NTFS? or FAT?

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« Reply #131 on: January 24, 2006, 11:13:34 AM »   

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I think your mileage will vary with PSP.  I have an older Dell laptop with Win98SE on it and it doesn't work on it.  I also tried Windows ME and it didn't work either, but my XP machines run fine.  Go figure.

idesign,

Did you re-try these Computers now that you have a working cable with pin 1 jumpered to pin 5 at the Mikohn device?

CJ 

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« Reply #132 on: January 24, 2006, 12:32:11 PM »   

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No dice on the WIN 98Se or the ME with the jumper.  XP works fine for me so if it aint broke.........

I will try a Thinkpad tonight with WIndows 2000 Pro and report back

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« Reply #134 on: January 24, 2006, 02:18:53 PM »   

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On XP - You can right click on the ICON and set it to compatability mode. This specifically will hook in some emulation to allow for hardware emulation - if you have a fax modem program running or other application that would communicate with these ports it can interfere. I have heard through other forums that there is PSP 3.0 that is a 32bit app. I can't find it on Mikons site so I currently am labeling it vaporware.

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« Reply #135 on: January 24, 2006, 02:24:44 PM »   

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OK, I just installed PSP on a Thnkpad running 2000 Pro.  Works perfectly

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« Reply #136 on: January 24, 2006, 04:25:00 PM »   

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Could you please include the version of PSP in your messages and replies. It would help us 'success wannabes' when we do a search for PSP answers. This would keep us from bouncing back-n-forth between which version works with which O/S.

I'll get to the success plateau soon,
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« Reply #137 on: January 24, 2006, 04:44:32 PM »   

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Hi Bill,

Take a look at the attached photos with and without that film you sent me.  It looks a lot better than even in the photo.  The lighting isn't the best in this room.  The funny part about it is that I didn't even laminate the film onto the glass, I just slipped it behind the display which is pretty tight to the surface of the glass.  I can't even tell that the film is just sitting there.

Jeff
 

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« Reply #138 on: January 24, 2006, 04:49:17 PM »   

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Great looking machine - that film makes a world of difference. What is it ?

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« Reply #139 on: January 24, 2006, 04:50:38 PM »   

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I have a desktop and a laptop, both with Windows XP on them and they communicate fine using PSP 2.0.  PSP 2.03 is a bit problematic at times.  I presume you have pins 1 and 5 jumpered on your cable or the Mikohn device you are trying to communicate with?


Yes I do have the cable pinned out correctly, like I said I've tested it on another (win 98) computer and it works ok. On the XP machine I have the compatibility set to work for win 98 and it still is quirky. Keeps locking up with different errors. I've also tried 2.0 and 2.03 versions with the same result. What the heck is going on?   

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« Reply #140 on: January 24, 2006, 05:12:35 PM »   

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Great looking machine - that film makes a world of difference. What is it ?

It's auto window tinting.......Mr. Bill can provide more info about it.

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« Reply #141 on: January 24, 2006, 05:19:07 PM »   

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Quote from: idesign on January 24, 2006, 09:31:23 AM
I have a desktop and a laptop, both with Windows XP on them and they communicate fine using PSP 2.0.  PSP 2.03 is a bit problematic at times.  I presume you have pins 1 and 5 jumpered on your cable or the Mikohn device you are trying to communicate with?


Yes I do have the cable pinned out correctly, like I said I've tested it on another (win 98) computer and it works ok. On the XP machine I have the compatibility set to work for win 98 and it still is quirky. Keeps locking up with different errors. I've also tried 2.0 and 2.03 versions with the same result. What the heck is going on? 

CJ made mention to me that it just may have something to do with the serial ports varying from machine to machine.  I have the same problem with an old Dell using 98SE.

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« Reply #142 on: January 24, 2006, 06:28:08 PM »   

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I would certainly try running CMD, moving to full screen (CTRL ENTER) then running PSP manually.
You should also check if you have any other software running that might be accessing the com ports.

You can also check to make sure that XP sees the computer the same way as how DOS wants to see it.
Right click on My Computer, Choose the Hardware tab, Go down to the COM & LPT settings.
On the resources tab of that entry you want to ensure you are using 03f8-03ff and IRQ 4
This is the native DOS range of that hardware. Secondly go to the advance button and perhaps lower the
FIFO settings.

 

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« Reply #143 on: January 24, 2006, 07:27:02 PM »   

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Hi Bill,

Take a look at the attached photos with and without that film you sent me.  It looks a lot better than even in the photo.  The lighting isn't the best in this room.  The funny part about it is that I didn't even laminate the film onto the glass, I just slipped it behind the display which is pretty tight to the surface of the glass.  I can't even tell that the film is just sitting there.

Jeff



Congrats,
That does look a lot better. As I like to say . . . . . . . . . .Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Jeff, is that a 'made for progressive' glass or did you modify the tracking bracket?

And yes everyone, it is ordinary 20% transparent smoke auto tint.

Thanks for proving my theory Jeff,
 

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« Reply #145 on: January 24, 2006, 08:16:24 PM »   

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Any particular place you recommend picking that up - Walmart ?

Any auto parts store should have it. Unless you have a need for it, don't buy a bunch. Since Jeff said it works so great, I'll dish-out some of what I have left for the NLG members. I just need to find a more afordable way to mail it. It needs to ship flat or rolled. Any kinks will ruin it.

Jeff, did I send you enough to 'pass it along"? You pull off a couple feet and then mail it to Jay.  I paid for the first postage, you pay the next, Jay you pull some off and mail it to . . . . . . ? Is that what they mean by "paying it forward"?

Just a thought,
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« Reply #144 on: January 24, 2006, 07:44:48 PM »   

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« Reply #147 on: January 25, 2006, 04:04:37 AM »   

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Quote from: idesign on January 24, 2006, 04:44:32 PM
Hi Bill,

Take a look at the attached photos with and without that film you sent me.  It looks a lot better than even in the photo.  The lighting isn't the best in this room.  The funny part about it is that I didn't even laminate the film onto the glass, I just slipped it behind the display which is pretty tight to the surface of the glass.  I can't even tell that the film is just sitting there.

Jeff



Congrats,
That does look a lot better. As I like to say . . . . . . . . . .Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Jeff, is that a 'made for progressive' glass or did you modify the tracking bracket?

And yes everyone, it is ordinary 20% transparent smoke auto tint.

Thanks for proving my theory Jeff,
Mr. Bill
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That glass, and a few others that I have are made for progressive at the bottom of the glass.  The opening is 2 X 17.5 instead of the usual 2 X 15.  All the glasss with that size opening are custom games for a casino.  I was lucky when I bought the glass I could also get a display to go with it.   The one in the photo is a Haywire Deluxe.  It's in my original RT slot, an older machine, that didn't have an internal player tracking system.  The player tracking system was hung off the side near the top of the machine.
 

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« Reply #149 on: January 25, 2006, 11:42:24 AM »   

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Hey Jeff and fellow PSP enthusiasts,
Could you please include the version of PSP in your messages and replies. It would help us 'success wannabes' when we do a search for PSP answers. This would keep us from bouncing back-n-forth between which version works with which O/S.

I'll get to the success plateau soon,
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Bill, the PSP software I am always referring to is the software located in the NLG download database under Mikohn.  There is only one version in there and that's the one to use.

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« Reply #150 on: January 25, 2006, 02:12:09 PM »   

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ok, got my chamII's today.  It is identical to the eariler post that Jay placed describing his unit as a ChamII.  The prom on it says C2 V2.05 and the board has a label that says Cham 2,C/S LOG, 8Mhz.  When I power it up, the dipslay shows some options after I step through the options it eventually says "EMPTY".  I should be getting the con1 tomorrow. This thread mentions a two wire connection to the con1, but I see no 2 pin header (other than the power) on the board.  Where do I connect it to the con1?
 

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« Reply #151 on: January 25, 2006, 03:19:56 PM »   

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ok, got my chamII's today.  It is identical to the eariler post that Jay placed describing his unit as a ChamII.  The prom on it says C2 V2.05 and the board has a label that says Cham 2,C/S LOG, 8Mhz.  When I power it up, the dipslay shows some options after I step through the options it eventually says "EMPTY".  I should be getting the con1 tomorrow. This thread mentions a two wire connection to the con1, but I see no 2 pin header (other than the power) on the board.  Where do I connect it to the con1?
 

The LED5 or CHAM1 has a 2 pin connector.  The CHAMII has a 6 pin connector at J4.  RX- is at pin 4 and RX+ is at pin 5.  If it doesn't receive data from the CON1, try flipping the wires around.

CJ

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« Reply #152 on: January 25, 2006, 05:11:27 PM »   

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great, thanks.  Where are you getting the connectors to build the harnesses for the S+ boards to the con1's?  According to the con1 book, it uses IDC CE156F20-4's, but everywhere I look, I have to buy LARGE quantities.  Know of a good source to buy just a few?

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« Reply #153 on: January 25, 2006, 05:22:32 PM »   

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Quote from: ninja66 on January 25, 2006, 05:11:27 PM
great, thanks.  Where are you getting the connectors to build the harnesses for the S+ boards to the con1's?  According to the con1 book, it uses IDC CE156F20-4's, but everywhere I look, I have to buy LARGE quantities.  Know of a good source to buy just a few?

The 0.156" spacing is the size for power, CON1 to CH2 link etc.  The 0.100" spacing is for the CON1 with 32 machine interface.

Here is a link to Mousers online catalog page 991 of AMP 0.156" IDC connectors:

http://www.mouser.com/catalog/624/991.pdf

Here is a link to Mousers online catalog page 988 of AMP 0.100" IDC connectors:

http://www.mouser.com/catalog/624/988.pdf

They sell in single quantities and their website says - no minimum order.  However, as I recall there is a service charge if you don't spend $25 but maybe they dropped that???

 

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« Reply #154 on: January 26, 2006, 08:44:31 AM »   

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 ok, I'm planning out my harnesses now.  Which are the two pins that are required from machines to con1?  The electrical wirings on the S+ have a connector "j12" which as the pins I suppose you use for this application.  They are

1  Prog Winner
2  Prog In
3  Prog Ret
4  Prog Out

Reading the con1 manual, the two wires necessary are a comon plus a data wire.  Which one of those four are  the common and which one is data wire.  My guess is pin 3 is common and pin 4 is data.  Is that right?
 
 

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« Reply #155 on: January 26, 2006, 08:48:02 AM »   

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As you are facing the machine, assuming your mother board is mounted in the rear of the machine, it's the 2 left pins on J12.

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« Reply #156 on: January 26, 2006, 08:52:13 AM »   

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ok, I'm planning out my harnesses now.  Which are the two pins that are required from machines to con1?  The electrical wirings on the S+ have a connector "j12" which as the pins I suppose you use for this application.  They are

1  Prog Winner
2  Prog In
3  Prog Ret
4  Prog Out

Reading the con1 manual, the two wires necessary are a comon plus a data wire.  Which one of those four are  the common and which one is data wire.  My guess is pin 3 is common and pin 4 is data.  Is that right?

Yes, Prog Return and Prog Out. Perhaps, Jay or Idesign can tell you which one goes where?  One of them is common to all machines, and the other is specific to each machine.

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« Reply #157 on: January 26, 2006, 08:55:30 AM »   

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Pin 3 common
Pin 4 coin in /Jackpot signal

See attachment for connector on S+ mother PCB

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Pin 3 common
Pin 4 coin in /Jackpot signal

See attachment for connector on S+ mother PCB

And on the CON1, flip the board over on the PC side to see which pins are all tied together as the common pins.
 
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« Reply #160 on: January 26, 2006, 11:25:10 AM »   

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As far as I remember Con I, J1, pin 18 is common throughout machines,  pin 17 not used and pin 16 (mach 1) though pin 1 ( machine 16) is coin in for progression of meter depending on increment rate.
Then you will have J2 pin 16 = machine 17 throught pin 3 = machine 30 coin in ...............

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« Reply #161 on: January 26, 2006, 12:16:24 PM »   

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ok, I've connected the con1 to my computer and can load and read jackpot data correctly.  I've also connected pins 1 and 2 of the con1 j3 connector to the pins 4 and 5 of the j4 connector con the chamII.  The status led's on the cham2 are as follows led1 red, led2 green , led3 off, led 4 red (fast blink).  The display reads "EMPTY"  Shouldn't it display the jackpot amount?  I've tried doing the test (menu option 8) and tried to do the cham tests, but noghing changes.

THe chamII also has some settings you can change and are set as follows
GRADR=255
IDADR=1
JPGRP_A=0
MFILE_A=0

What else needs to be done to get it working right.
 

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« Reply #164 on: January 26, 2006, 12:49:29 PM »   

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I must admit it's been a long time since I worked with Con I, 1990 I think, as mentioned before "my brain might be a little frazzeled"as mentioned in previous posts by posters but what the heck. I might have the page confused and obviouse no other experts with con I on line at the moment, the page I am reffering to is the currency setting............................might be page 3   ??????????? aghhhhhhhhhhhh what the hell, just wait for the real answer......................just trying to help..................still convinced it was page 4, if so looks like some other settings might be incorrect in your PSP upload.

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it still says empty.  I sent page four.  Shouldn't the controller test screen work?
 
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« Reply #162 on: January 26, 2006, 12:19:24 PM »   

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I might stand corrected as somtimes I do (Radical Ozzy) but try to send page 4 of the PSP, well not so much try ...........but send page 4.

Hope it helps

 
 
 

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« Reply #165 on: January 26, 2006, 12:50:40 PM »   

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Well, I am in no way a CON1 expert but I did work with Jay and Joey getting Jays machines linked so here goes:

Actually, the empty message should go away the minute the CON1 is hooked up to the CHAMII correctly.  I read somewhere that it is sending the jackpot info about 5 times a second.  Empty indicates the Jackpot file is empty on the CHAMII and of course, the Farad CAP on the board will only hold the CMOS data for a few hours if that.

Is there a difference in any of the CHAMII LEDs when you connect or disconnect the link to CON1.  I am pretty sure one of the LEDs should indicate DATA being received at the CHAMII.  If no activity, try swapping the two wires going to J4 on the CHAMII.

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« Reply #167 on: January 26, 2006, 03:57:48 PM »   

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Hm... The Led should flash regardless of the wires. Its not polarity sensitive.

There are two states on my LED5 display driver (Chami 1 Link) . In one mode it only shows the progressive amount and in the other it uses the message contained in JPOT.do. If JPOT.do is empty then that is the message you get.

You can go to the message page - fill in the Jpot.do file with some message - one of those can be a Jackpot token which displays the amount. Subsequently you then Press F1 to LOAD the message down to the display system.

Per Oz's earlier note Pins 1 - 16 go to each machine and Pin 18 is used as a common. Again polarity does not matter. These 2 wires go to the left two most pins on the machine.

 

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« Reply #168 on: January 26, 2006, 04:09:26 PM »   

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Quote from: Jay on January 26, 2006, 03:57:48 PM
Hm... The Led should flash regardless of the wires. Its not polarity sensitive.


No, that's exactly what I was trying to determine.  It would only flash if it was hooked up correctly.  When he turned it around, it stopped flashing.

This makes me think that you are getting data from the CON1 to the CHAMII.

I can't find any chart on the CHAMII but on the CHAMII+, the MFILE determines what and how the Jackpot is displayed.  You might want to try changing it to some other number than 00.  On the LED5, this is done with dipswitches like Jay has mentioned.  On the CHAMII+, it is done through the PSP software jackpot setup page.  I am not sure how on the CHAMII.  If you are seeing it as an option when you slide the switch over and use the two pushbuttons on the CHAMII board itself, then try and change it to another number and see what happens.

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« Reply #169 on: January 26, 2006, 04:14:32 PM »   

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If I set the Mfile option to anything other than 0, it displays $0.00 (in various styles dependin on the mfile option number).  The jackpot is set to 10,000.00 on the con1.  As CJ pointed out if I reverse the leads on the con1-chamII connection, the 4th LED stops blinking.

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« Reply #170 on: January 27, 2006, 12:41:47 AM »   

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Oh nooooo!!!!

From page 82 in the manual that CJ posted on PSP 2.0 software!!! here http://newlifegames.net/techforum/index.php?topic=809.msg3857#msg3857

• CON1 controllers use only CHAMI displays.
• CON1 controllers can use only one Random Game and cannot mix other game types with it
(that is, no additional progressive jackpot games).
• CON2 controllers can use both CHAMI and CHAMII displays. For CHAMIs, a Gateway is
also necessary.
• CON2 controllers using CHAMI displays can run up to four Random Bonus games.
• CON2 controllers using CHAMII displays can run up to eight Random Bonus games.


So it looks like I either need:

a Con2 controller
a LED5 (ChamI + display)

in order to get my linked progressive going.

Or get a chamII+ and use it standalone mode together with one of my displays from my ChamII's.

 

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« Reply #171 on: January 27, 2006, 05:48:16 AM »   

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From my experience so far...The Cham1's use a different size of display than the Cham11's
The physical size of the display is smaller and the ribbon cable that interconects the display is smaller.

Now I also run a 1x2 (large overhead display) from my CON1 and it has a board in it that has 2 wheels (1-16) and I am not sure what that boards name is but it interfaces to the 2 segment display that has the same ribbon cable interface that the CON1 uses. I found the settings for this board in one of my manuals - I will try and look it up and get back to you.

 

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« Reply #172 on: January 27, 2006, 08:44:57 AM »   

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Quote from: ninja66 on January 27, 2006, 12:41:47 AM
Oh nooooo!!!!

From page 82 in the manual that CJ posted on PSP 2.0 software!!! here http://newlifegames.net/techforum/index.php?topic=809.msg3857#msg3857

• CON1 controllers use only CHAMI displays.
• CON1 controllers can use only one Random Game and cannot mix other game types with it
(that is, no additional progressive jackpot games).
• CON2 controllers can use both CHAMI and CHAMII displays. For CHAMIs, a Gateway is
also necessary.
• CON2 controllers using CHAMI displays can run up to four Random Bonus games.
• CON2 controllers using CHAMII displays can run up to eight Random Bonus games.


So it looks like I either need:

a Con2 controller
a LED5 (ChamI + display)

in order to get my linked progressive going.

Or get a chamII+ and use it standalone mode together with one of my displays from my ChamII's.



I meant to say I need either a con2 controller to get my cham2's going
OR
a LED5 with display to interface to my con1

Or I could buy a standalong CHAMII+ logic board as it shares powersupply and display with the older chamII's
 
 
 

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« Reply #173 on: January 27, 2006, 10:29:38 AM »   

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The standalone ChamII+ can drive two displays and I believe there is a way to gang your displays together to make them longer.
There is a setting that specifies the length. I don't believe the ChamII+ can drive a ChamII link.

I own a ChamII link thats with CJ so I have a vested interest in how to drive this and by what ?

 

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« Reply #174 on: January 27, 2006, 11:04:12 AM »   

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I know the ChamII+ cannot drive anything else as it is a stand-alone or part of a linked group or standalone+secondary link.  It does share the display hardware with the chamII from what I gather though.  So I only need to get the chamii+ logic board as I have everything else.  I won't be able to link two machines, but at Least I'll have the multi-colored progressive display working.  And if I put the whole assembly inside a box and just have the machine harness come out, I can move it from one machine to the next and not have to depend on the award glass with the 2x15 window.

I believe that chamII and higher can only be driven by a CON2.  I read in one of the docs posted by CJ that there is something called an "Aquarius" something or other that is also supposed to be able to drive a chamII.
 
 
 

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« Reply #175 on: January 27, 2006, 11:34:31 AM »   

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Quote from: ninja66 on January 27, 2006, 11:04:12 AM
I know the ChamII+ cannot drive anything else as it is a stand-alone or part of a linked group or standalone+secondary link.  It does share the display hardware with the chamII from what I gather though.  So I only need to get the chamii+ logic board as I have everything else.  I won't be able to link two machines, but at Least I'll have the multi-colored progressive display working.  And if I put the whole assembly inside a box and just have the machine harness come out, I can move it from one machine to the next and not have to depend on the award glass with the 2x15 window.

I believe that chamII and higher can only be driven by a CON2.  I read in one of the docs posted by CJ that there is something called an "Aquarius" something or other that is also supposed to be able to drive a chamII.

Even though I would be shooting myself in the foot for getting another cheap CHAMII+, here is the link to a current Ebay auction for just the board:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6248331846&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

And to really make it fun.  Lets all sign up for www.bidnapper.com and snipe the auction so no one will know what and who will get it until it closes.  It will then truly go to the highest bidder!!!!!!

Good Luck.

And yes, you are correct, it will directly replace a CHAMII on the power supply and use the same display board.  That is exactly what I did with the hardware Jay provided me (I had board and display, no power supply or harnessing).

CJ

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« Reply #178 on: January 27, 2006, 07:16:45 PM »   

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Up for auction is a Cham II+ Standalone Progressive Controller for slot machines using the serial return protocol like the IGT or Bally series. It will also work with Atronic, Konami, P&M, Sigma and Williams machines. The Cham II+ can operate in three modes – Standalone, Linker (where a separate controller like a Con 1 or Con 2 sends progressive data to the Cham II+ to be displayed) or Linked Combo (Standalone and Linker data displayed).

Angharan, Noting the blurb above Ninja seemed to be having some trouble getting his CON1 to talk to the Chamii ? do you have any information on this ?? He seemed to think that he needed the CON2 to talk to it.

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« Reply #180 on: January 30, 2006, 04:22:36 PM »   

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This thread is kind of long and I may be asking for something that already been asked but is there any documentation out there for the CHAMII?  not the Plus.

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« Reply #185 on: February 03, 2006, 08:17:47 PM »   

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Ok, after reading several of the manuals posted here and elsewhere, I think I can confidently conclude the following:

Con1 will drive only ChamI (AKA LED5) display hardware.  I believe the new CHAMII's (including the chamII+) use RS422 as the serial interface to communicate with the Con2, whereas the old Con1 used something proprietary to communicate with the displays.

Con2 will drive CHAMII, CHAMII+,Mark1, Mark2, Supreme, AGL, And ChamI (with use of a gateway).

CHAMII+ is also a stand-alone controller and can be configured to be a linked display with a CON2.  No need to change eprom as it appears to be a configurable option.

CHAMII+ will use the same display hardware and power supply as a CHAMII (in essence the CHAMII+ replaced the CHAMII, as it has more options, can be a stand-alone controller or a stand-alone/linked, where the secondary jackpot can be a linked jackpot).

Can anyone correct me on this.

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« Reply #191 on: February 06, 2006, 10:50:41 PM »   

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Quote from: idesign on February 06, 2006, 05:31:46 PM
There is also 5 CHAMII+ boards up on ebay at the same time.  No power supply though.

Keep in mind that you can use a PC power supply to power these CHAMII's.

And yes, I purchased this exact type from April. They work, but it is obvious to me now that they must be reconfigured (programmed) for my IGT. IIRC, mine came out of a Bally machine shipment.

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« Reply #193 on: February 24, 2006, 05:13:32 AM »   

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Hi,Today I tried to connect CHAMII to IGT S+ machine.But C14 was shown on the display.
If possible,please let me know what is wrong.Thank you

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« Reply #194 on: February 24, 2006, 05:52:23 AM »   

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C14 error code on ChamII is..................The selected Machine Serial setting is not supported

Maybe check you have M-08 and MS-04 settings for Igt S+

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« Reply #195 on: February 24, 2006, 05:56:55 AM »   

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is it a chamII or a chamII Plus?  you can only connect a chamII Plus to an s+.  The chamII is a linker only and requires a con2 supercontroller.  If the board has 1 eprom, is a chamII plus.  If it has 2 eproms, it's a chamII.

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« Reply #196 on: February 24, 2006, 06:00:11 AM »   

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I presume you are talking about a ChamII+ and not a ChamII ?

ChamII are driven off of a CON2 or a CON1 + Gateway controller and are not connected directly to the S+ unless you count the display connected to the glass.

The settings that Oz indicated are within the PSP program. There is a copy in the download database if you haven't got it along with a manual for the ChamII+ 

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« Reply #197 on: February 24, 2006, 06:36:30 AM »   

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Thank you for your quick response!!!
I am happy!!!

Dear Ozzy,
>Maybe check you have M-08 and MS-04 settings for Igt S+
I read this message.
http://newlifegames.net/techforum/index.php/topic,964.msg4961.html#msg4961
But I couldn't understand M-08 and MS-04 settings.If possible,please let me know the
detail of them.Coin in signal can be inputed to CHAMII+.The value can be changed,when
coin is inserted.Well I am Japanese,my English is not perfect......Unnnnnn.Thank you!!

Dear rickhunter,
My Logic board is CHAMII+.It has 1 EPROM.The label shows stand alone.
Unnnnnn.Thank you!

Dear Jay,
My logic board is CHAMII+;.I use PSP Ver 2.03.
M-08 and MS-04 is within PSP?? Thank you!

 

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« Reply #198 on: February 24, 2006, 06:48:10 AM »   

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When you select option 1 in the PSP menu your PSP "Jackpot Programming" will be displayed. This is where you set the jackpot base amount, currnt jackpot amount, increment rate, jackpot limit. Also by pressing key F4 you can set your machine type Igt S+ M-08
. With key F8 you can set protocol, MS-04
 should work ok.


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« Reply #199 on: February 24, 2006, 07:00:07 AM »   

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I successed!!!
You are GREAT!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #200 on: February 27, 2006, 05:38:26 AM »   

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Thank you for your reply.My Machine works very well!!
Well I have one more question.
CON1 J3 Display output is as follows.
1-2 Curcuit A+,Curcuit A-
3-4 Curcuit B+,Curcuit B-
5-6 Curcuit C+,Curcuit C-
7-8 Not Connected

CON1I J3 Display output is as follows.
1-2 Data A+,Data A-
3-4 Data B+.Data B-
5-6 Data C+,Data C-
7-8 Data D+,Data D-

LED4 Logic board J1 Display Connector
Pin 1 Data -
Pin 2 Data+

In machine Linker logic board J4 Display Connector
Pin1 Data-
Pin2 Data+

Q1
Can I connect CON1 to LED4 or In machine linker logic board?
I know I can connect CON1I to LED4 and linker logic board.
But they have difference "Data" and "Curcuit".

Q2
In case I connect CON1I to LED4 or Linker logic board,
Does it work without GATEWAY logic board?
Can I connect them without GATEWAY logic board?

Q3
CON1 and CON1I can be worked  by D.C. 9V?
I found CON1 in Ebay,the auction show CON1 need D.C.9V.
Does CON1I need same voltage?
 
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« Reply #201 on: February 27, 2006, 08:31:59 AM »   

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I think Con1 and Con1i are the same voltage but one of them has a higher milli-amp draw.

I have my CON1 ---> LED4 --> 1x2 display
There is no linker board required.

I believe the Linker boards are only needed from Con1-->Linker-->ChamiII--> Display

The CON2 can speak directly to a ChamII without a linker.

Do you have any linkers ?? there are a number of us looking for these as there are a number of ChamIIs around that we can't drive with our CON1s.

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« Reply #202 on: February 27, 2006, 09:55:33 AM »   

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Jay, I think Linker is what they call a NON-Stand Alone display controller (as opposed to Stand Alone).

What I think you are actually trying to find is a "Gateway"???

 

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« Reply #203 on: February 27, 2006, 11:25:56 AM »   

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You are correct...I did mean gateway...

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« Reply #204 on: February 27, 2006, 08:14:57 PM »   

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Dear Jay
Thank you for your qucick response.
The photo attached is GATEWAY.

>I think Con1 and Con1i are the same voltage but one of them has a higher milli-amp draw.
I will try to use 9V switching power supply.THANK YOU!

>I have my CON1 ---> LED4 --> 1x2 display
>There is no linker board required.
Does it mean SIGNAL "Circuit" is same to "DATA"?
CHAM1 In machine Linker logic board I said is
http://newlifegames.net/techforum/index.php/topic,848.20.html
Cam5 and Cam6.It may be LED5...

Dear CJ
Thank you!!
I attached the photo of GATWAY.Please refer to it.


 

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« Reply #205 on: February 27, 2006, 08:50:11 PM »   

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On the CON1 you have support for 4 data outputs.

Mine are connected to 3 LED5s (also known as CHAM1) and a LED4 which drives the overhead sign.
The LED5's and LED4 take a simple 2 wire input from the CON1

That post you linked in was a ChamII (connected to the Royal flush poker glass) that I could not drive from the CON1, nor could I program it direct etc. I had also tried to use the CHAM1 as a standalone and that did not work until I got the CON1.

Others are now running the ChamII+ which will work standalone. But a number of us also own ChamII's that until we either get gateways or CON2s are not doing us much good at all.

 

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« Reply #206 on: February 27, 2006, 09:14:44 PM »   

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We can run the self-test on our ChamII's 

Thats about it. For now.

Jay, since you have multiple displays, have you tried running a multi-level jackpot using mikohn stuff.  I take it that you would program Jpot0 and  jpot1 and assign the displays accordingly.  Do you then just setup the S+'s for dual level link and that works?

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« Reply #207 on: February 27, 2006, 11:13:15 PM »   

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Thank you for your response!!
On the CON1 you have support for 4 data outputs.

>Mine are connected to 3 LED5s (also known as CHAM1) and a LED4 which drives the overhead sign.
>The LED5's and LED4 take a simple 2 wire input from the CON1
Oh!I will try to connect CON1 to LED5s and LED4s.

>That post you linked in was a ChamII (connected to the Royal flush poker glass) that I could not drive from the CON1, nor could I program it >direct etc. I had also tried to use the CHAM1 as a standalone and that did not work until I got the CON1.
I wanted to link to " cam5.jpg (68.77 KB, 500x375 - viewed 106 times.)"and " cam6.jpg (86.08 KB, 500x375 - viewed 110 times.)"
On http://newlifegames.net/techforum/index.php/topic,848.20.html
I think it is CHAM1,LED5,In machine Linker logic board.

I think GATWAY is no need......

Thank you!

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« Reply #208 on: February 28, 2006, 06:28:27 AM »   

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Rick,

You can do this very easily. You simply set the dipswitches to display the value you want.
The downside of this is then it only displays the values, no messages etc.
Of course with the multi-level link all machines contribute to all jackpots by some fractional amount.
So its not like you can put a machine specific value up either.

If you put it into the setting where you get messages you can program the message with different jackpot tokens.
A token is where you tell it to display Jackpot 0,1,2,3 ....but again you can't direct a specific message to a specific machine or display.

This is one of the reasons that I installed the IGT internal progressive (second level) into each machne is so I have a machine specific progressive as well as linked overall progressive.

I have a second Con1 that I have been thinking of hooking up in parallel - not sure how these things would like that - and doubtful that it would be casino approved... not that my basement actually falls into any gaming regulation, nor does the hoop on my driveway but you do want to play by some set of rules.... The goal would be to put up one set of messages on the 1x2 sign and a different set on the displays in each of my machines.

The other thing that I thought of that would be cool would be to have a message scroll across all of the 3 machines like it was one long display. But unlike the 1x2, 1x3 etc modules there is no way to daisy chain these small LED5 displays together to do that.

I need to research the CON2 to see if it has some of these features/abilities....

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« Reply #209 on: February 28, 2006, 07:59:39 AM »   

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The different set of messages on the 1x2 and machines should work.  You don't actually have to have machines connected for the messages to scroll by.  You would just program your messages on the second Con1, connect that to your 1x2 and do not connect your slots into that con1.  Then after two minutes it will just display the Mess.Do file over and over as it would never come out of idle.  The other con1 would display your jackpot info and whatever different message you want.

When your box arrives I should be able to do one machine with my Mikohn Stand-alone as top jackpot and the IGT LED unit as secondary.  Should be cool.

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« Reply #210 on: February 28, 2006, 08:49:18 AM »   

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I have thought about that but I want it alll.....
I can buy cheap signs (realtive to Mikohn)  if I want to just do just text.... lots of those on ebay.... I however want the Jpot integration etc. Different odomotor speeds, different messages if its in play/not in play etc. Still just bouncing the thoughts around....

I use a 1271 as my game chip and a Set90 chip to program the progressive.(download a set90 psr)
One of the settings asks about whats primary, whats link etc. This number needs to be a 2 which means link is primary and secondary jackpot is standalone. The next settings asks how many levels of progressive do you have. Choice is 1 or 2. I choose 2.

Just a note here. There are 4 places where you can plug the display into the board. If you are using this as your secondary progressive then you have to be in position two. This caught me out the first time.

The only watch out for on this set chip is the option around bill validator on/off (default is off). You can go in set all the options for denomination. Set that it is self test selectable and then put your game chip back. The UGGGH ! have to do it all over again if you forget this one little option. I can't figure out why this would even be there... if you set your demonimation to something other than 0 wouldn't this kind of indicate you want it ON ? live and learn.

These IGT internal units have capabilities for up to 4. But the IGT S+ only lets you put in a 1 or a 2. SO if you are not running any other progressive you could use two displays with one unit. I hear that certain the Video Poker games can handle 4.

The boards for these things are mounted on this large metal tray. These I believe are designed for use in a round top. Both my 16" and 9" machines actually have metal standoffs on the left side of the top box. In my case I pulled the board off the tray and the standoffs line up perfectly. Power etc for the board comes from the S+

Mounting these in my 9" were interestng. The dual slide brackets are too long. In fact when I got these things in,  the brackets were all rolled up like some one had used needle-nose and rolled the metal.  I used a pair of linesman plyers to get them semi straight then a vice to flatten them back to looking semi-decent. However this did little for me when I went to use them. I ended up measuring where the lower display window was then bending the bracket at right angles. Using a drill I made a small hole through the metal on the top of my machine -- had to be very careful not to drill through the top of the machine. I then followed up by using a shallow sheet metal screw. This gives me the ability to move side to side. Should be fairly obvious when you have these in your hands.

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« Reply #211 on: February 28, 2006, 08:59:51 AM »   

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I have thought about that but I want it alll.....
I can buy cheap signs (realtive to Mikohn)  if I want to just do just text.... lots of those on ebay.... I however want the Jpot integration etc. Different odomotor speeds, different messages if its in play/not in play etc. Still just bouncing the thoughts around....


As the con1 doesn't use serial return, maybe you could just splice up both con'1's off the same conection. That way you have duplicate jackpot information on both con1's?

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« Reply #212 on: February 28, 2006, 09:29:22 AM »   

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That was my inital conjecture....but I will need to try it out to see if it will actually work.....

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« Reply #213 on: March 20, 2006, 02:38:14 AM »   

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I wish we had a better picture of the board but from the looks of it, I think it is an IGT stand alone 2 level progressive.  Most (if not all) of the S+ SP type chips send serial information for up to 4 jackpot levels to the wiring to the head.  There, another microcontroller board is used to translate this data into display information.  While on the older tiny 7 segment displays, it was nothing more than the numbers, on this dot matrix, it is still apparently just displaying dollar values.  The board and wiring look an awful lot like that standard IGT set up.

Besides paying shipping from Japan, the tuff part would be finding a game title with the proper glass to use these two large displays.  It all appears to be the entire assembly that would go into a 16 inch top box.  But one could assume the seller has that too???

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REFERENCE REPLIES 35-36.

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Attached is a better picture of a similar board, or who knows maybe the same board. I bought this on ebay last week (Not from the listing that was mentioned in the above quoted post.) thinking I could find information for it, so I come to the experts!!!  Attached are a couple of quick pictures, and a listing of the markings on the system. It sure looks like the one quoted above, but missing the meters/displays!     It is also missing the eprom at U34!   

I have a meter that is part number 341-002-00B 12c, 2in disp, which I was hoping would work with this, but I am not sure as this display has 20 pin connection on it, and the unit pictured below has a 40 pin connector. I am guessing that the unit normally drives a dual display and maybe it uses a combined display cable, and I am wondering if this 40 pin IDC can be split into two 20 pin IDCs for two displays??? I have been trying to find a unit to use the above meter on, but have had no luck. I think it is CHAMI. Now I also have CHAMII+'s but I am missing the displays!     ALL MISC PARTS AND NO COMPLETES!

Do you or anyone else have instrucions or other data for this IGT progressive unit??? I wonder if I can get it going??? Thanks to all in advance for any help they can provide!

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PCB ASSY NO 7550720 @1994 IGT It says SPECTRUM there as well so I assume it is a spectrum controller?   
It also has a sticker: 755-072-02 A 0300 Paradise, RWK
U35 eprom is M27c256B-90B1, labelled SD0094 03/03/98 (1-256) @IGT L98-1463
U34 is empty/missing
It has an 8 position dip switch on board.

Seller stated in listing: This is a stand-alone progressive unit for an IGT S+ slot machine. This unit was taken from a working machine and looks to be in excellent condition. What you see in the picture is everything that is included; the power supply, the board with eprom, ribbon cable and the other needed cables as shown in the picture. These are very difficult to find and this is the only one I have so bid accordingly. Winning bidder pays $8 S+H. Thank you for looking and Good Luck!

Here are a couple pictures. I hope it helps to get this unit working.... I have not tested anything yet for fear of messing it up. By the way I think I have a glass that it would fit in, but I do not have the display meters! Go figure always almost all the way there!!!       

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« Reply #214 on: March 20, 2006, 09:37:46 AM »   

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I believe you have the IGT controller for the display shown below.  There was another one on Ebay recently.  The picture showed the large ribbon cable with two ribbon header connectors (daisy chained) for the two displays.  This would require IGT type displays and would not be compatible with Mikohn hardware.  So, no, I don't think you can split the ribbon down to smaller connectors.

From the picture, you will also notice there is only one Eprom.  So, you empty socket should not be an issue.

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« Reply #215 on: March 20, 2006, 07:44:59 PM »   

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Time to answer this old burning question ??? How to get a con1 to work with the new mikohn stuff......

 If I'm right   a con1 will chat with a CHAM if you use a gateway.... We will know in a day or two..... 
 

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« Reply #217 on: March 27, 2006, 09:18:15 AM »   

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FYI

A photon display is the earlier 7 Segment Numerals only type Meter (progressive display).  It would only display Numbers - no text. No scrolling, just counting up numbers.  I think they were made in both the in-machine type as well as the large signs.

This makes me think that Nevada Barry, has now junked the 3 signs he had a while back.  I asked him if they had any boards or displays in them and never got an answer back.

 

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« Reply #218 on: April 02, 2006, 08:05:34 AM »   

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captainhappy here are pics of your s-slot gateway board hooked to a LED5.   

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« Reply #221 on: April 02, 2006, 02:01:07 PM »   

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captainhappy here are pics of your s-slot gateway board hooked to a LED5. 

Ohhhhhhhhhh Yeahhhhhhhhhh!     

It works... I guess that I will not worry about replacing the little LEDs on the 9 led board now!   

Thanks for verifying this setup last night!   

I can't wait to make this baby work! I guess that I need one of the setups:   

Lit up and working 3 Mikohn LED5 Link progressives.
We are starting the bidding at 95.00 for Each progressive Unit. if you win all 3 we will combine the shipping cost.
What all you get...
(1 power supply. 1 LED5 Driver Board. 1 Display Board. and 1 Power and ribbon cable.)

BUT I NO NEED NO $$EXPENSIVE CON1...... Yeah!!! (I am saving for a CON2) I guess I do need to change the eprom on the LED five though??? Or do I not have to because this particular gateway acts like the CON1 in this case???   

Send me the invoice via paypal and I can take care of it like we discussed. I will PM the address that you asked for. I forgot yesterday.

Captain Happy! HAPPY!   
 

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« Reply #222 on: April 03, 2006, 09:56:33 PM »   

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Captainhappy here are the pics of the 1x2 in the box. 

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« Reply #223 on: April 03, 2006, 10:44:33 PM »   

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Looks sweet.  ... I especially like the legs.... you can mount that on top of two 9 inchers and have a 16 in inbetween. Any suggestions as to where to get a set of legs like that ??
 

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« Reply #224 on: April 04, 2006, 05:35:34 AM »   

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Home Depot and Lowe's have this stuff available as special order and some in stock in the cabinet dept. It is used as bar rail footing. Chrome and polished brass.
Meter looks cool!.... ..............Now if I could just get my big board working.........................

Hey.............anybody tried a Con1 talking to a supreme?
Thanks!     Tim

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« Reply #225 on: April 04, 2006, 06:36:43 AM »   

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Hey.............anybody tried a Con1 talking to a supreme?
Thanks!     Tim

That won't work.....you need a CON2 to talk to a Supreme.

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« Reply #226 on: April 04, 2006, 07:15:38 AM »   

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I uploaded the Supreme Manual a while ago. Its in the Mikon Section.
http://newlifegames.net/techforum/Downloads/MIKOHN/Supreme%20Display%20User%20Manual.pdf

The manual is somewhat non-specific in indicating that it connects to a controller....(see page 18). However the words CON2 show up a couple places in the manual but CON1 does not. It also has the settings similar to the ChamII displays so I really don't think it suports CON1 interfaces as they have none of these.

Have you got it working from your PC yet ?
 

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« Reply #227 on: April 04, 2006, 03:56:59 PM »   

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The supreme just arrived today so I will have to take a little set up time to see if I can blow this up. There are no cables included (looks like it takes both 12V and 5V plugs for the board) so I am going have to make my own but I have all the parts, as we have several Fry's electronics stores here in the DFW area ( kind of like a radio shack on steroids the size of a Wal Mart) and I cleaned out several of the peg boards in the store......Amazing how fast all those little bags at under a dollar can add up to megabucks!  I downloaded the manual...THANKS!.... and thanks to a GOOD friend   , I just might get my hands on a CON2I!  I had figured that if you did not see one at the show....my chances of getting one were pretty slim.....and if I did find one that it would make my glass cockpit in my airplane seem cheap in comparison!
So................now the 54 dollar question.........do I get the work done in my woodshop that I need to do tonight and stay on schedule....................or play hooky and see if this lights up. Guess I will flip a coin...Heads I win, tails the woodshop looses.        Tim

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« Reply #228 on: April 04, 2006, 05:07:33 PM »   

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Tim,

I bet you used a two sided coin and are working on the display!     (or was that implied in your definition for heads and tails???)

We have a couple of Fry's here as well. I have to restrict myself from visiting there, otherwise the credit card crys out in pain!!!   

Looks like you are going big time with the CON2I !!!!!!!!     

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« Reply #229 on: April 04, 2006, 05:15:46 PM »   

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Coin landed on it's edge so I get a little time to play and then back to the woodshop. What I have learned so far is this big massive power supply (1/3 bigger than the CHAMII units) that the supreme is mounted to is only putting out 5 volts and both positive and negative at that. I opened the unit to read the ratings and indeed it is one big 5 V at 32 amp powersupply with 5 outputs, 3 for the display board and one for the supreme board and an extra , which means that this puppy takes 2 power supply's. I have a regulated 12 volt that is a radio shack unit designed to run CB radios etc. Probably will do good enough to test the unit. Wonder if Joey has any extra power supply's?  The supreme has both wired and optical connectors so this would have probably run the board that was on Ebay last week also. Well....times up...off to the woodshop.  Tim

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« Reply #230 on: April 04, 2006, 05:25:28 PM »   

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Tim,

I bet you used a two sided coin and are working on the display!     (or was that implied in your definition for heads and tails???)

We have a couple of Fry's here as well. I have to restrict myself from visiting there, otherwise the credit card crys out in pain!!!   

Looks like you are going big time with the CON2I !!!!!!!!     

Captainhappy

I know when I go in there (Fry's) that I had better look to see if there is enough in the checking account in case of a "Man......I got to have that!"...and or a "That sure is COOL!" attack. Last time I went in there it was for a couple of ribbon connectors (J5) and it was over 150.00 at checkout!     WHOA.............Just got an Email from the person with the CON2I..........ZOOM............I'M outa here!!!!........................Tim

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« Reply #232 on: April 04, 2006, 08:00:58 PM »   

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Well guys and gals...............................looks like I will be able to give you a play by play post of (how to blow up...most likely ) a mini linked casino. Should only take a couple of years or so to complete, as I will have, by Friday, finally all the parts to make it work. Too bad that a brain is not included as standard equipment
6 IGT S+ units linked to a CON2I with 6 CHAMII+ units (OH......yeah I have 6....or rather I have 8 with Joey's 2 comming ...no make that 10 with the 3 extra I purchased from April as spares.......+ units ; and I no longer need + units, just the CONII's so I guess a little trading can be done in the near future)  with a 15" display on all 6 IGT's  and a supreme controller powering the BIG Mikohn display board linked as the big progressive jackpot. And the Big board is capable of almost any kind of graphics displays mixed with the progressive.
Man..................Did I just say all that?.........................Me?... ...............................Well.......   Hey....Whats that burning smell..................Yup................Mikohn sure does make some really cool toasters!   IC Tea anyone?   Tim

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« Reply #235 on: April 05, 2006, 05:04:16 PM »   

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Howdy! Joey's stuff arrived today  (packed like it could survive a trip to Mars and back!) so I have enough power supply's and cords to test the big board and supreme. Have 10 min to spare so........I plugged it all in. Man.......does it work! Questions so far........The DOS psp works to set an amount so I could see more than just 000$ but it will not set any kind of JPOT.DO files. I can flip the dollar sign back and forth and it always re sets by putting a big PT in front (or rear) instead of the dollar sign. The jackpot files are listed as JPOT.DO, 1 thru 16, and then ALL. Tried all of them.....all exactly the same except when I switch the jackpot from normal to special and then it gets rid of the PT and puts back the dollar sign.............until I update the total and the PT is back. C1 also continues to flash between the total no matter what I load.
And it communicates with the windows downloader............but does anyone know what I should tell it? The supreme came with a CD with a bunch of sample 1 X 3 graphic files...........but how do I get them to the display?
Also it will not hold the progressive total when I reboot it...simply goes back to 0.00 until re load it (DOS). Does mean that the battery is dead on the board?   Well...........test times up for today................   Thanks!   Tim

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« Reply #236 on: April 05, 2006, 05:10:50 PM »   

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The manual for the supreme is in the database. They show how to edit all sorts of files that get uploaded... some of these files simply contain the names of other files......

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« Reply #237 on: April 05, 2006, 06:19:55 PM »   

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Not sure what type of battery that board uses.  Their older stuff used what is called a Farad Cap.  It looks like an electrolytic capacitor but instead of its value being in Microfarads, its in Farads.  Will hold some memory for a few weeks or more, recharges fairly quickly when on.  The newer stuff uses a 3 or 3.6 volt lithium battery (not rechargable) and should have at least 3 volts across it when power is off.

 

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« Reply #238 on: April 05, 2006, 08:20:23 PM »   

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Thanks!  I get cold feet when I use the windows downloader after frying one of my CHAMII+ units...Gulp!   The Battery (I guess this a battery) is twice as thick as the ones on the CHAMII units and says Japan 701 on the rim. It has 3.78 volts showing.............so I guess it's good.   Gulp........On to the downloader.....  Thanks!   Tim

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« Reply #240 on: April 05, 2006, 09:03:03 PM »   

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Jay, he messed it up by playing around the the default.pdf files in the ChamII+.  Removing the Flash RAM chip made the unit functional as it just defaulted to standard rom settings.  He just needs to have someone re-flash a copy of a "default" falsh chip.

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« Reply #241 on: April 06, 2006, 03:29:01 PM »   

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Well.............I sure messed it up in a flash!   It was the first time I had tried using the windows downloader to actually program something. Just coppied one of the samples in the instructions. What worries me is I open the downloader and in the left box I see program files that are not related to the Mikohn stuff....but are the same type and are on my computer only. I might have accidentally sent one of those. Thats why.........Hint...Hint..  .I have been asking for something to say that will not fry the supreme to see if I actually know what in the   I am doing.
Still have not figured out how to run the sample graphic files that are on CD that came with the controller. There are a slew of DOS based programs as well on this CD,along with the windows downloader version 2.0 which I think is the same that we have on the forum download.
The Captain has the FLASH ROM that I fried and is going to try a re flash Gordon on it so I can send it back into outer space again.  Well..........Off to the wood shop..............Mikohn test time later....................Thanks!   Tim

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« Reply #242 on: April 07, 2006, 05:08:40 PM »   

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Hey Howdy Hey!  Well......this is the on going toy story........or how to fry a bunch of Mikohn stuff...........just add juice!
In my mind it's Christmas... .........because my desk has wall to wall mikohn stuff on it! ChamII+ units with power supply's and displays, a supreme controller with a big   power supply, one monster display, and a 2" high flat box that calls itself a CON2I. Now........... if I only had one of those tools that work with the push in wire connectors, and the connectors, and an adapter and or a 12VDC transformer for the CON2, and................well.....you get the drift. As Jay has said......."in for a penny......in for a pound!". Maybe it should be changed to "pounding" as I hear the Captain is being pounded as we speak, as we are both basically working on the same project : Multiple IGT S+ units all with CHAMII+ (or CHAMII) progressive displays, linked to a CON2I supercontroller that is linked to a supreme controller with a supreme overhead display.
 OK: What needs to happen.....................
1. Were to put all this stuff? Do we hide it? For what all this cost, should it be proudly displayed and when someone asks were the speakers are for our home built high power stereo, we simply slap the   out of them and tell them the story of how a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away,  how Jay had to do battle with Darth Vader just so we common folks could see the light? Actually it should read light show!
2. Hook it all together.........and keep doing it until we get it right.
3.Plug it in.........................and hope that the FLASH ROM is not used to take pictures.
4. Programming...............Everything has to be programmed with it's own stuff. Hey Joey.......How about a ride in my plane? Free Peanuts!5.Fix the stuff that we break in the process of fixing the other stuff.
6.Cross every finger and throw the switch!...................And hope we do not generate a 30 second news bite at 10 PM, or 11 for you west cost folks.
7. ENJOY!.........................   

To Be Continued........................Tim

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« Reply #243 on: April 07, 2006, 09:00:20 PM »   

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OK...1st question......my CON2I..........it has something not shown on the drawings in the manual. The Board (sticker) has con2I standalone marked on it and the J1 connector has only 10 pins on it. ?  Otherwise everything on the board seems the same.  Thanks!   Tim

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« Reply #245 on: April 08, 2006, 05:05:35 AM »   

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Here are the pictures. I can not find anything in the downloads that show a con2 with that small a J1

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« Reply #249 on: April 08, 2006, 05:42:28 AM »   

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With only 10 pins and 9 as the 1st machine and 10 as the 2nd....................is this a single machine version? If so I guess that the machines could be hooked together but what about the output to the CHAMII+ units. Will there still be 6 communicating with the con2 or will it just think there is one? I wonder if the board is still wired for multiple machines.............then it would be as simple as taking the correct spot off the circuit board were the big J1 would normally be but if you look at the pictures there is one open IC position.
Bottom line....is this worth what I paid for it?      Thanks!    Tim

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« Reply #251 on: April 08, 2006, 06:31:16 AM »   

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I just looked at the manual and linked in this case means multiple CON2's for master and slave controllers which is not what you want to do, so your CON2I should be fine.
 
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« Reply #250 on: April 08, 2006, 06:03:21 AM »   

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« Reply #252 on: April 08, 2006, 06:55:19 AM »   

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I see what you are referring to on J1.  You say you have only 10 pins vs. 40.  So with pin 1 being common, and pins 2 thru 8 being NC, you have only pins 9 and 10 to connect machines to the CON2.  Can you flip the PC board over to verify that pins 2 thru 8 have no traces to them.

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« Reply #253 on: April 08, 2006, 08:33:47 AM »   

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Tim call me and i can tell you how to fix this .....   this is a old mikohn trick   

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« Reply #254 on: April 08, 2006, 11:06:56 AM »   

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Thanks everybody!.................I will try to call Joey later on..........but.......I have lost my voice! Half of my employees this week have been sick this week, coughing in my face....so I knew that I was going to get this one. So don't be surprised if I tend to sound a little squeaky!
Well.........Thats a relief!     Sounds like Joey has the cure!  I'M STILL GONA GET IT GOING! Well...sooner or later. Still a couple of more hours in my wood shop left for today, so I will give Joey a buzz and if I the fumes from the 5 gallons of lacquer that I'M spraying today don't totally blow my mind, hopefully I can put Joey's good advice to use. I usually go flying on sunday morning but with this bad cold........I must ground myself.......so that frees up time to play with the Mikohn stuff!  Well......lunch break is just about over.....Thanks again!    Tim

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« Reply #255 on: April 08, 2006, 11:43:41 AM »   

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Guinnea Pig, ERRRRRRRRR....AAAAAAAH.......UUHH....OOPS I mean: TIM,

You better drink some OJ, take vitamins, whatever as we need you to be at full strength! You need to figure everything out, get it hooked up, and then documented with photos for each and every step so that all of the people out there (tons of em, right! Think of this task as a public service announcement.) with CON2I's can easily follow your lead!  (Like step 1 take a valium with Ozzy's favorite Vodka, take picture , step 2 go to garage and get screwdriver, photo , step 3 repeat step 1, photo , step 4 go back to garage for wire strippers, photo , step 5 repeat step 1, photo ........ Do we see a pattern forming here. It should help keep the anxiety down!) We can't have you down and in bed, enless of course it is a cot in your game room office!   

Seriously, I hope that you take it easy and nip this thing in the bud. I hope you feel better! Being sick sucks!

For those of you out there that do not know us, I am not really such a   , and Tim is probably laughing away at the inside jokes and humor! Hopefully it cheers him up! Someday they will get broadband to the poor guy with all the cool toys, and we can watch the video when he goes skeet shooting with his   MODEM

   

I can't wait to get a package! Worst case is that I will not be able to get to it for a long long while! Such a bad month with Taxes, and associated accounting crap!       Calgon take me away.       

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« Reply #257 on: April 08, 2006, 03:04:06 PM »   

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I have these units in large progressive units, but i also have one just in a box. Can anyone tell me what it is? I have seen them hooked up with the supreme controllers on the Cham 2 meters before. April

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Here is another mystery. I have this unit brand new in a box. Both boards are the same. One has never been opened out of the package. The other was opened to look at. The CD software is still in original packaging. The box is from Comtrol. Any ideas? 

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I have these units in large progressive units, but i also have one just in a box. Can anyone tell me what it is? I have seen them hooked up with the supreme controllers on the Cham 2 meters before. April

April,

WHat are the connections on this box? The cable looks like the type used for power. MK1 may be an abbreviation for MARK1, which is a graphics display. There are some references to MARK1 in the con2 hardware manual, but nothing really goes in to too much specifics.

Page 5 as displayed on manual pages, not adobe page 5 briefly mentions MARK1
Page 17 as displayed on manual pages, not adobe page 17 briefly mentions MARK1

ADP-S connection cable is shown in appendix G. But no clue to what ADP-S is.
ADP-S may stand for ANIMATION DISPLAY ___________ -__________ I would have to guess that this is needed with big displays and supreme contollers to do the Animation Functions, and to connect with CHAMII for progressive functions, otherwise thje big sign like I am getting may only do progressive meter and not the animation graphics that it should do with the supreme also??? Kinda makes a little sense to me since you have seen it hooked up to Big Displays and Supremes?

I am a novice, we probably need the assistance of the experts here, these are just my guesses. I am not sure what help it is other than an attempt.   

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« Reply #260 on: April 08, 2006, 06:58:19 PM »   

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If we did things up right we would all install security dome cameras with live web feeds to NLG. Then if we needed help with a setup we could just rewind the security feeds.

But who gets to turn in the tape to America's funniest videos and win the 1st prize?   We could start our own TV show.............. Progressives.................the final frontier............these are the members of the NLG.......It's on going mission.........to explore strange new displays..............to boldly go were no N-L-G member has been before....................CON TREK!     We already have the Captain.........................Joey ..Scotty, head engineer...........Ozzy...Mr Spock..................Jay...Dr McCoy...........................

Joey.......................If you are reading all this BS.............I will call you tomorrow...the voice is GONE!

Live long and prosper......................Tim   

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« Reply #261 on: April 08, 2006, 09:36:17 PM »   

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Quote from: Jay on April 08, 2006, 01:09:37 PM
If we did things up right we would all install security dome cameras with live web feeds to NLG. Then if we needed help with a setup we could just rewind the security feeds.

But who gets to turn in the tape to America's funniest videos and win the 1st prize?   We could start our own TV show.............. Progressives.................the final frontier............these are the members of the NLG.......It's on going mission.........to explore strange new displays..............to boldly go were no N-L-G member has been before....................CON TREK!     We already have the Captain.........................Joey ..Scotty, head engineer...........Ozzy...Mr Spock..................Jay...Dr McCoy...........................

Joey.......................If you are reading all this BS.............I will call you tomorrow...the voice is GONE!

Live long and prosper......................Tim   

Tim,

So does that mean that you would be either Sulu or Checkov?? I think both of them flew the enterpise if memory serves me correctly?? I think as far as I know you would be the only one qualified to Pilot the starship.... Though with all of the gamers we have here, some may think they can fly cause they played flight simulator!

I just got off of the phone with Joey, and he said to tell you that the problem can be solved with some soldering, part stuffing, and connector changing. I guess Mikon sold some less expensive units that were "standalone" by altering a full unit and not populating some parts. So it requires a little work and Joey's knowledge to get them converted to the full unit. He said to give him a call when your voice gets better.

Go to be early and rest up. Hope you feel better!
 

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« Reply #262 on: April 09, 2006, 09:46:45 AM »   

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Quote from: lemans1969 on April 08, 2006, 03:04:06 PM
I have these units in large progressive units, but i also have one just in a box. Can anyone tell me what it is? I have seen them hooked up with the supreme controllers on the Cham 2 meters before. April

April,

WHat are the connections on this box? The cable looks like the type used for power. MK1 may be an abbreviation for MARK1, which is a graphics display. There are some references to MARK1 in the con2 hardware manual, but nothing really goes in to too much specifics.

Page 5 as displayed on manual pages, not adobe page 5 briefly mentions MARK1
Page 17 as displayed on manual pages, not adobe page 17 briefly mentions MARK1

ADP-S connection cable is shown in appendix G. But no clue to what ADP-S is.
ADP-S may stand for ANIMATION DISPLAY ___________ -__________ I would have to guess that this is needed with big displays and supreme contollers to do the Animation Functions, and to connect with CHAMII for progressive functions, otherwise thje big sign like I am getting may only do progressive meter and not the animation graphics that it should do with the supreme also??? Kinda makes a little sense to me since you have seen it hooked up to Big Displays and Supremes?

I am a novice, we probably need the assistance of the experts here, these are just my guesses. I am not sure what help it is other than an attempt. 

There is a plug on the outside for your 9VDC power supply. Then there is a 8 pin plug on the inside of the box on the board marked J3. The top 4 pins are marked A+ A- B+ B-. There are two connectors for fiber optic cables. The only other thing I see on the board itself is converter/booster. part # 321-006-10. Here is a pic of the actual board. April
 

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« Reply #263 on: April 09, 2006, 01:20:33 PM »   

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Joey......Went to the Doc this morning and got a shot.................voice is comming back but I thought maybe I should first show you what they have done to this board to try to prevent someone like me from doing what we want to do before calling you. Here is a front shot were they have ground through the board leads and the extensive work done on the back. If you feel like this just might be a little too much for a novice, I would be willing to pay you to fix this, pay freight both ways and for all parts. I have 600.00 in it now so I might as well do it right. If you still think that I can do this......................well...GULP...........................................Joey  Me

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« Reply #264 on: April 09, 2006, 01:25:40 PM »   

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Front View................all I really want is to link 6 machines with maybe a 7th and 8th position just in case I decide to knock down a wall or two in the future. I don't need the 24 or 32 machine capacity. Thanks!   Tim

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There is a plug on the outside for your 9VDC power supply. Then there is a 8 pin plug on the inside of the box on the board marked J3. The top 4 pins are marked A+ A- B+ B-. There are two connectors for fiber optic cables. The only other thing I see on the board itself is converter/booster. part # 321-006-10. Here is a pic of the actual board. April

April,

The picture may help Joey, as it is definately his expertise that will be needed here!

Mark, Captainhappy

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« Reply #268 on: April 10, 2006, 02:49:21 PM »   

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Hey There..................Voice is 1/2 back so ...................Joey look out       
Another question.........................as it is right now my Con2I is a standalone with wires for only 1 machine. What would they use this for? Maybe one of those big monster size machines?  Why would they not just use a supreme?  Thanks    Tim

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« Reply #271 on: April 10, 2006, 04:02:46 PM »   

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Hey There..................Voice is 1/2 back so ...................Joey look out       
Another question.........................as it is right now my Con2I is a standalone with wires for only 1 machine. What would they use this for? Maybe one of those big monster size machines?  Why would they not just use a supreme?  Thanks    Tim

A Supreme is used for a sign only, if you use it with a machine you need a CON2 to drive the meter.

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Hello,

Can I jump in and ask some stupid questions? This thread has been read close to 4,000 times and seems to be of great interest.

1) What is a progressive control?
2) Are you guys setting them up at home?
3) If it is at home, what's the driving force?

Sorry for my ignorance.

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Quote from: cessnac182golf on April 10, 2006, 02:49:21 PM
Hey There..................Voice is 1/2 back so ...................Joey look out       
Another question.........................as it is right now my Con2I is a standalone with wires for only 1 machine. What would they use this for? Maybe one of those big monster size machines?  Why would they not just use a supreme?  Thanks    Tim

A Supreme is used for a sign only, if you use it with a machine you need a CON2 to drive the meter.
The Supreme manual has it doing all kinds of things, running in place of a CHAMII. My board has machine in and out, con2 in and out and display (can drive 4, just like a CHAMII+). 

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Hello,

Can I jump in and ask some stupid questions? This thread has been read close to 4,000 times and seems to be of great interest.

1) What is a progressive control?
2) Are you guys setting them up at home?
3) If it is at home, what's the driving force?

Sorry for my ignorance.

1) A progressive Controller is the device which gathers the coin in information from multiple games and advances a "progressive" Jackpot count display (often refereed to as a Meter) to be either displayed on a large over head sign, on an In-Machine Display (also called a meter) or both.

2) YES they are!

3) Total Insanity, boredom, trying to out-do the Jone's, bad genes........  Just something else to do once you own a couple of Slot machines.

CJ

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Quote from: diecaster on April 10, 2006, 04:46:49 PM
Hello,

Can I jump in and ask some stupid questions? This thread has been read close to 4,000 times and seems to be of great interest.

1) What is a progressive control?
2) Are you guys setting them up at home?
3) If it is at home, what's the driving force?

Sorry for my ignorance.

Hey......there are NO stupid questions here.................Can not learn unless you ask.   A progressive display is a jackpot that Gets bigger with every coin in............so the more it is played......the bigger the jackpot. The displays can be small digital on the glass like on my IGT's or it can be an external or internal big displays, which is what we are talking about. I have 6 IGT's in my home office (see the pictures a few pages back) and I am going to set them up in a linked (every coin in from all 6 adds to the central mega jackpot......first one who hits it takes all!) configuration.
Note Picture....progressive is on top...........gets larger with every coin in.
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« Reply #277 on: April 10, 2006, 05:27:52 PM »   

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Quote from: diecaster on April 10, 2006, 04:46:49 PM
Hello,

Can I jump in and ask some stupid questions? This thread has been read close to 4,000 times and seems to be of great interest.

1) What is a progressive control?
2) Are you guys setting them up at home?
3) If it is at home, what's the driving force?

Sorry for my ignorance.

1) A progressive Controller is the device which gathers the coin in information from multiple games and advances a "progressive" Jackpot count display (often refereed to as a Meter) to be either displayed on a large over head sign, on an In-Machine Display (also called a meter) or both.

2) YES they are!

3) Total Insanity, boredom, trying to out-do the Jone's, bad genes........  Just something else to do once you own a couple of Slot machines.

CJ
Ditto on the "total insanity"......................actually they use a driving board, in this case a Mikohn CHAMII+, that gathers coin in info and sends it to the display...AKA...a Meter.   Which is what I should have on my brain showing how many bucks I have spent on this total insanity of mine. I think the people that have sold me all this stuff actually are the jackpot winners!     Tim
PS: Now thats what I need..........a crane machine filled with "Slotness Elmo's"...to quote Jay.
 
 

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The Supreme manual has it doing all kinds of things, running in place of a CHAMII. My board has machine in and out, con2 in and out and display (can drive 4, just like a CHAMII+).

The Supreme is a display.  A Supreme can not function as a stand alone like a CHAMII+.  It needs a controller to fucntion as a meter.  Reread the manual

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« Reply #285 on: April 11, 2006, 04:16:12 PM »   

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Thats what I get for skipping through it.    The controller does the work. I did miss read it. The supreme in each machine is being used like a chamII. But that means that each machine has a CHAMII also? Boy.........if you did it like they have in the typical set up picture you would have as much invested in the displays as you do the machine!  Ouch! Thanks....Tim.

PS:  HELP..............I have all kinds of demo graphic files on CD that came with the supreme. How do I get them to load?  There are several PSP's also on the CD but when I use them they say that there is a communication problem, but the old PSP works fine but will only send jackpot info to the supreme.    Thanks!

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Tim,

What are the measurements of your big sign? Looks good lit up! Yours must be bigger than mine?   

And to answer what you were discussing earlier, mine is supposed to be out of a "Big Bertha!" I will be in the same boat as you!   
Display is supposed to be 1x2, 30" long and 4" tall.
My board is a 1 X 3, apx 4" high without the frame and close to 4' long....1/3 longer than your big Bertha. So it seems like we both have standalone CON2's. I wonder if Joey has had a chance to look at the modification pictures. Well................I picked up one of those cold touch soldering irons.....so that puts me at 4. Might as well use them.....Gulp!...............Hey April...............got any more of these con2's just in case I fry this thing?   

Thanks!   Tim

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« Reply #287 on: April 11, 2006, 04:47:29 PM »   

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Thats what I get for skipping through it.    The controller does the work. I did miss read it. The supreme in each machine is being used like a chamII. But that means that each machine has a CHAMII also? Boy.........if you did it like they have in the typical set up picture you would have as much invested in the displays as you do the machine!  Ouch! Thanks....Tim.

PS:  HELP..............I have all kinds of demo graphic files on CD that came with the supreme. How do I get them to load?  There are several PSP's also on the CD but when I use them they say that there is a communication problem, but the old PSP works fine but will only send jackpot info to the supreme.    Thanks!

Are you using the same cable that you use with a CHAMII+?  Is it jumpered from pins 1 & 5?  If so, have you tried a straight thru cable not jumpered?  Not sure if the Supreme uses the same cable as the CHAMII+.

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« Reply #292 on: April 11, 2006, 07:56:23 PM »   

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Quote from: cessnac182golf on April 11, 2006, 04:16:12 PM
Thats what I get for skipping through it.    The controller does the work. I did miss read it. The supreme in each machine is being used like a chamII. But that means that each machine has a CHAMII also? Boy.........if you did it like they have in the typical set up picture you would have as much invested in the displays as you do the machine!  Ouch! Thanks....Tim.

PS:  HELP..............I have all kinds of demo graphic files on CD that came with the supreme. How do I get them to load?  There are several PSP's also on the CD but when I use them they say that there is a communication problem, but the old PSP works fine but will only send jackpot info to the supreme.    Thanks!

Are you using the same cable that you use with a CHAMII+?  Is it jumpered from pins 1 & 5?  If so, have you tried a straight thru cable not jumpered?  Not sure if the Supreme uses the same cable as the CHAMII+.
The connector for the cable shows (in the supreme manual) the 1 and 5 pin to ground, so I figured that I would use the same cable. I have not tried the std cable, but I will try it. I think I just might be having a serial port problem. The "old" on the CD appears to be identical to the one I downloaded from NLG and have been using on the CHAMII+'s.. But when I use the old directly from the CD program, it has a communication problem, so it just might be a config problem. Theres a bunch of PSP's on this disk, a download, upload,.......etc. Next time I get to play with it I will write down all the names.
Oh well.....................one of these years...........Thanks!   Tim

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« Reply #293 on: April 12, 2006, 02:53:02 AM »   

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Quote from: idesign on April 11, 2006, 04:47:29 PM
Quote from: cessnac182golf on April 11, 2006, 04:16:12 PM
Thats what I get for skipping through it.    The controller does the work. I did miss read it. The supreme in each machine is being used like a chamII. But that means that each machine has a CHAMII also? Boy.........if you did it like they have in the typical set up picture you would have as much invested in the displays as you do the machine!  Ouch! Thanks....Tim.

PS:  HELP..............I have all kinds of demo graphic files on CD that came with the supreme. How do I get them to load?  There are several PSP's also on the CD but when I use them they say that there is a communication problem, but the old PSP works fine but will only send jackpot info to the supreme.    Thanks!

Are you using the same cable that you use with a CHAMII+?  Is it jumpered from pins 1 & 5?  If so, have you tried a straight thru cable not jumpered?  Not sure if the Supreme uses the same cable as the CHAMII+.
The connector for the cable shows (in the supreme manual) the 1 and 5 pin to ground, so I figured that I would use the same cable. I have not tried the std cable, but I will try it. I think I just might be having a serial port problem. The "old" on the CD appears to be identical to the one I downloaded from NLG and have been using on the CHAMII+'s.. But when I use the old directly from the CD program, it has a communication problem, so it just might be a config problem. Theres a bunch of PSP's on this disk, a download, upload,.......etc. Next time I get to play with it I will write down all the names.
Oh well.....................one of these years...........Thanks!   Tim

Just guessing here, but maybe rather than "old" you have to select CON2 or SUPREME if they have it when you first start up the PSP. Also on the WIN DOWNLOADER program be careful of the default settings on it. When I played with it I had to change some com port settings form the top drop down menus. They also have address settings for the sign I think. Maybe the sign has dip or rotary settings that change the address for it???

Someplace I thought that I read that the cable may be different for CON2 vs. CHAMII+, but maybe it was CON1 that I read???

Just some guesses until I can finish up some stuff and get my goodies coming! I will have to ship it slow boat to make sure that is arrives after tax       deadlines!       

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« Reply #295 on: April 12, 2006, 03:21:25 AM »   

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Tim, I would get that sign. This way you could be at 28000 feet and still know what your progressive is at.

From what I have read about the supreme. It looks like the animation files get downloaded and then the progessive information gets displayed on top.

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« Reply #296 on: April 12, 2006, 03:35:48 AM »   

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Now thats what I call a BIG   Sign!  Only the  Slotness Monster could find such a monster size sign! Hey........I could run a full size picture of my Cessna on it with room to spare.............................I guess I'd better get the 1 X 3 to work first.


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Check your six! I am gunning for your post count!!   

Your new avatar reminds me of when I got to "fly" the F-16 simulator system that I helped design most of the computer systems for. (Note the quotes I am not a pilot! I was able to take off, Fly really really fast, do corkscrews, and even kill an aircraft carrier. Landing was the tough part, I thought that I was a bunker buster!!! They had me shoot the landing approach about 6-8 times, mostly for their enjoyment of course!)  We will have to talk about that some time, also did work on Helicopter trainers, F18, F22, etc!  Examples below...file shots, no I am not in the pictures! (did not want anyone to get confused by the rank insignia on the guy in the last shot.. Captain... But Air Force type! I was affiliated with the Navy, even thought the Nickname was before the Navy!) Pretty close to your Cessna right?     At least yours gets off of the ground!   
If anyone would appreciate these things I figured that you would get a rise out of them. ---> What was I thinking there are alot of gamer guys here as well. Think of it as a really really really COOL video game! One that tricks your senses so much that you can feel it in the pit of your stomach... Designed to trick you optically to get the true feeling of flight! Also it takes more than a few quarters to play it!!!!!!! HA HA HA
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« Reply #298 on: April 12, 2006, 10:38:26 AM »   

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Quote from: idesign on April 11, 2006, 04:47:29 PM
Quote from: cessnac182golf on April 11, 2006, 04:16:12 PM
Thats what I get for skipping through it.    The controller does the work. I did miss read it. The supreme in each machine is being used like a chamII. But that means that each machine has a CHAMII also? Boy.........if you did it like they have in the typical set up picture you would have as much invested in the displays as you do the machine!  Ouch! Thanks....Tim.

PS:  HELP..............I have all kinds of demo graphic files on CD that came with the supreme. How do I get them to load?  There are several PSP's also on the CD but when I use them they say that there is a communication problem, but the old PSP works fine but will only send jackpot info to the supreme.    Thanks!

Are you using the same cable that you use with a CHAMII+?  Is it jumpered from pins 1 & 5?  If so, have you tried a straight thru cable not jumpered?  Not sure if the Supreme uses the same cable as the CHAMII+.
The connector for the cable shows (in the supreme manual) the 1 and 5 pin to ground, so I figured that I would use the same cable. I have not tried the std cable, but I will try it. I think I just might be having a serial port problem. The "old" on the CD appears to be identical to the one I downloaded from NLG and have been using on the CHAMII+'s.. But when I use the old directly from the CD program, it has a communication problem, so it just might be a config problem. Theres a bunch of PSP's on this disk, a download, upload,.......etc. Next time I get to play with it I will write down all the names.
Oh well.....................one of these years...........Thanks!   Tim

I think you have to run the install on the CD to make it work properly.  This will put the program on your HD and configure it to your COM port.  I had this problem myself until I installed it on my HD.  Also make sure your COM port on your computer is set correctly.

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« Reply #299 on: April 12, 2006, 03:31:31 PM »   

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You know..............that just might be it!  I have been opening them up from the CD. I will try that later on...........Thanks!


And...............that F22 simulator sure blows the doors off my yoke and rudder pedals that I have on my desk! I practice instrument approaches on MSFS. And...........for you computer pilots out there.....if you can fly the sim...you can fly the plane! The sim is much harder than piloting a real aircraft!   Well ......november two one niner two papa (my favorite toy) sure is easier!

Thanks!   Tim

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« Reply #300 on: April 15, 2006, 05:49:09 AM »   

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Good Morning! Hope all of you are having a good holiday weekend and......of course....the dreaded 12 midnight IRS deadline.
On the big display I have finally got all the files (thanks to Idesign's idea) able to load and send using the windows downloader to the supreme......................But I have messed something up and I can not figure out how to get it back. The only thing I have not tried is to send the info thru the CON2...........as all this has been directly to the supreme.
After downloading all the PSP files in a separate folder (there are a lot of psp's and graphic files on the CD that came from the supreme from emptyfootprints) I was able to send any or all to the supreme as long as I open the downloader FROM THAT FOLDER ONLY. I kept getting a (example of one) ERROR: unable to open COINSMIX.etc.......(what I was sending) on the 1 X 3 meter. At the time the display was centered (see previous photos) using dazzle, and it would switch from JPOT.DO to any of the other MFILES, all with a centered display, the correct font and color. The manual says that if you load too much info that some of the stuff will not display correctly and the downloader showed that there was a lot of stuff in there. There is a drop down on the downloader that resets the board and a clear flash. Well............I cleared the flash .........meter reset but it is acting like it is a 1X1, only using 1/3 of the display (left side) and only in red..................and it switches from the C1 (because I do not have the CON2 hooked to it) to the current jackpot total (will only go to 6 digits...what will display in the 1/3rd space) and then shows a demo message that morphs from a green "MIKOHN" to "GAMING" and then repeats the c1 , jackpot etc. It thinks it is a small board. But when I do the display test it does everything perfect, using the entire 1 X 3. And on re-set it uses all 3 sections until it finishes the opening readouts.
I have sent it every file. The only thing I can change is the jackpot amount.............and that's with the OLD psp. But the font and color will not change, nor the odometer.......and the demo message keeps running.
does Anybody know how I get it back to using all 3 panels?  And do we have a copy of the programming instructions for the CON2/Supreme that the manuals mention using.......PN 950-051-00?
Thanks!   Tim