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I got a new Dbv-200 and swapped it out and validator cycles when i turn on slot. It wont even try to accept a bill. Am I missing something or could it be transport?

What kind of slot machine is it in?

It is IGT slant top SP731.

I will try and give more info and can take pics if required. The IGT slant top I bought last week and it had DBV-145 that would not work. I bought a DBV-200 ID023 and do have the vented power supply. The validator seems to cycle properly upon start up but the bezel doesn't light up. The red lights inside head do light up. The only way I can get it to attempt to take bill is by pressing switch that says door is closed. The bezel does light up in the self test.The machine works fine with quarters. I do have a round top s plus with same validator and it cycles the same at start up. The chip is Sp731. The person that sold it to me said validator worked at one time. I hope someone knows where to start looking . Thank You

I'm just wondering if the DBV needs to be "enabled" after swapping the JCM's?
Attached to this post below is the PSR for your SP731 chip.
According to the PSR sheet - the SET015 ( most common one) is needed to enable your DBV...>>>

i will take a look at that and let you know ...

Thank you!
We'll be around...
On the right hand side of the Home page is the link to the JCM ( Japan Cash Machine,Inc.) website.
You will find tons of info there as well as performing a search using the words DBV 200.

Swapping a 145 to a 200 is 'plug and play'. I've done it several times.

Check the dip switches on the bottom of the head. They should all be off.

<edit> I didn't see the part where the 145 was not working either. So maybe it isn't enabled. I think we need a little more background info.

Have you tried putting this head and transport in the round top? It certainly will make things easier to know what is working and what isn't. The second machine can come in handy.

No I have not tried that yet....but the round top is at my brothers house.....but I can try that next.

You can go into self test and see if it's enabled and the denomination is set. If it's not, then you need to use a set chip. If it is, then it's time to start swapping a few things for process of elimination. Of course, you should check all of the cables from the BV power supply to the BV and back to the motherboard. The BV will cycle as long as it has power. So one of the other cables could be an issue.

Also, I am fairly certain that SP731 uses all dip swithes off (ID 023) on the bottom of the head, but you may try flipping #10 (ID 022) on and see what happens. If it doesn't work, put it back. But all other DIP switches need to be off.

I did try that poppo after reading another thread....same result..I will go through the self test and check that ....thanks for everyones help....

Well , I tried working head from my roundtop and it still doesn't work. I am having a tough time using the self-test to check and see if validator is enabled. I do know that through self-test that bezel lights up and it never lights up any other time. Another confusing thing to me is I tried this head in the roundtop and it wouldn't work either.Could the power supply work partially......as far as letting transport cycle but not the head?

When swapping to JCM200's from JCM145's - I think you need
the beefier power supply that has the vents?  :128-

oops...I guess he has one already... :279-

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twizz63,

If the bezel lights up in self test, then it's probably not enabled and you need a set chip. The PSR posted earlier will tell you how to look to see if it's enabled. But generally speaking, press the self test button a few times until you have a 0 in the coins played and a 5_x (x-0,1 or2) in the winner played. Then turn the jackpot reset key until you get a 9_x (9_1 = enabled, 9_0 = not enabled).

Thanks Poppo, I'll go try that right now.

OK poppo, that simplified the process and it says 9 1 in winner paid. So does that mean I should get a set chip? I believe I want the set015 .....correct?.....I just want to be sure I understand. Thanks

Actually that means it's enabled. So there is some other problem.

When you turn on the machine, does the BV cycle and what does it sound like? Does it cycle once or like 7 times? And does it make any sort of  'chuck, chuck, chuck', sound at the end?

If your answer to poppo's question is that it cycles once and settles down, you also might want to check the denomination in the options menu. Remember that there is no decimal. "25" = 25¢. "2500" would be $25.

The DBV might also stay off if:

The denomination is too high.
The DBV limit and/or credit limit is/are set too low  and you have too many credits on the machine OR
DIP switch hopper limit is set too low for older SP chips (like your SP731) and you have too many credits on the machine.


Check the DIP switches on the DBV head as well. DBV200 should have all switches off with the possible exception of switch #10 on SW1. Make sure that none of the switches on SW2 are on. (The one with 6 switches.)

Poppo....it does cycle what seems to be correct. I tried the cash can in other slot as welll. I also checked the dip switches with all off and again with only 10 on. I will try and check those other details.

You said you tried the round top head in this unit correct? Did you just use the head or the head and transport? Unless you find that you have a wrong setting, I would take the the whole RT transport, head and BV power supply and try it.

OK...I will try that next. I did not interchange transports. I was thinking about the switch that shows the door is closed.....could that be shorted or something?..The only time i was able to get it to attempt to take bill was when i opened and closed switch while feeding bill.

What switch? The cash box door? If so, best to just remove the switch and short the wires together.

If not, what switch are you opening and closing when the machine should be closed for normal operation.  :103-

Cash can door switch removed.

The machine would tilt and not play with either the main OR the cash box door open, so if the machine isn't tilting, the cash box door is not the problem.

It's been several days since last post, but I tried the transport from roundtop and same result.  I did try and light the bezel in self test again and it wont light up now. I am still a little slow with the testing procedure ,but I have checked again and validator is enabled. I believe I was at right location for denomination .....and it was set at 5 and hopper limit at 600. Even though it seems to be enabled , should I purchase set chip?.....any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks

If the bezel lit before in self test and now doesn't, I would be checking all of the cables. The BV only need 12V to power up, but the other signal lines run through the BV power supply. Might try swapping that too.

If you are going to get a set chip, you might as well get a clear chip too. While a clear should be a last resort, sometimes it does fix odd problems.  

I think I will try the power supply swap...I think I might take a few pics also .....maybe trained eyes may spot something. Thanks

Pictures always help.  :89-

here is a few pics

hopefully this will help

sorry they are not better

Well, there is your problem. There is no BV.  :72-


What is plugged into the second plug from the front on the BV head?

the lighted bezel.....i tried to take a mini movie so you could here it cycle but couldnt load that type of file.

Here are a couple I made.

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=13265.msg118226#msg118226 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=13265.msg118226#msg118226)

this is a shot of transport from below and you can see tabs I believe.

That looks fine.

I added a third video to the link above that shows what a bad cash can optics would sound like. It 'almost' sounds normal.

Have you tried swapping BV power supplies yet?

For future reference, just use Youtube and put the url directly in your post.


StatFreak :31-
:nlg-  Global Moderator

Thanks for the you tube tip stat.....and poppo I definitely don't have that clunking noise. I guess I will try the power supply swap....I was able to light bezel in self test again.....I might give you tube a try with video. thanks guys

Something sure seems intermittent. When you swap the power supply, check all of the connectors really good. Including J6 on the motherboard.

i UPLOADED ONE ON YOU TUBE

OOPS  THAT DIDNT WORK

http://youtu.be/zqnbxhKJxwUTRY (http://youtu.be/zqnbxhKJxwUTRY) THAT

Awesome video clip twizz!  :3-

It's a little shaky and it's a darn good thing you're not a plastic surgeon...
or the patients will look like the Mummy all the time... :5-  :303-

Well, it sounds right. So can you list again just what you have swapped (and from where to where).

thanks guys

Ok ..I switched transport, head from working roundtop.  I have not tried the power supply yet. I did try this cash can in the roundtop which worked fine. I do get the bezel to light in self test......which seems odd to me that it would not light at startup.

Self test is just that - it is only checking to see if the bezel will light. Eveything else has to be working for the BV to turn it on. We already determined that the BV should be enabled.

Out of curiosity, what is yout hopper and BV limit set to? If it is set to like 0, the BV will never enable.

Max Hopper Pay <7>   Programmable only if DIP switches 1 and 2 are set for self test selection (on position); otherwise, this page is for display purposes only.  Determines the maximum number of coins that may be paid out of the hopper.

Bill Acceptor
Credit Limit <7>   Determines the maximum amount of credits that can be accumulated before the bill acceptor is disabled.  The limit must be less than the max hopper size or $2,500, whichever is less.

I  moved the dip's to 600 on hopper and i will check the other now.

I am trying to understand these self test procedures but when i press the self test two times it says 0 in coins played and 63 in winner paid. is that normal?

It 'could be'. But don't worry about that setting for now. Just keep pressing the self test until you get a 7 in the coins played. The numbers on the coins paid will be the hopper limit. The next press of the self test should still have a 7 in the coins played, but will be the credit limit will be displayed.  (this is for a SP731 that you said you had).

Poppo...I set those both to 9999.....is that ok?.....

That's fine. Maybe be a bit high because if you hit a big jackpot it will want to pay it from the hopper. But mainly we just wanted to be sure the BV was not being disabled due to a setting being too low.

So, if swapping the BV power supply does not help and if you are sure all of the wiring is good and connections are good, then perhaps it is time to run a clear. Of course you will need a set chip because the BV will not be enabled after that.

Jim ....I was referring to the switch on validator door.

The question remains under what conditions did it try to take a bill? Actual use, self test? Have you tried jumpering that switch?

I went and tried test 27 right after bezel light and bezel was lit and it would start to take bill and spit it back out. I now cant get back to that setting. I can try that switch bypass, but that was only time it would attempt to take bill. And that was by making game think door was opened and shut several times. I thank everyone for help and advice......I'd be even more lost  without it!

But was this during normal operation or while doing the self test?

Don't be discouraged twizz!
The guys are going to ask you a lot of specific questions !
Just do your best to answer them as best you can and you'll
get to the bottom of it!
New Life Games members and vendors NEVER give up until your
machine is up and running like a smooth diesel engine!

(I guess I could of used a better analogy!  :96- )

okay, let me try again...

New Life Games members and vendors NEVER give up until your
machine is ...uh...running the way you want!!!


(Is that better?   :72- )

Perfect.....thanks STAYOUT......poppo that was during self test. I will go swap power supplies and see what happens.

If the power supply does not help, it may be a good idea to back up a bit and find out why it is intermittent during self test. Maybe something to do with that switch you were having to mess with to get it to work at all???

Well, I got a set chip and after procedure, I now have bezel lit and it accepts but then spits out every bill I had. I may have left the #10 DIP on  when I was searching for answers. Is that how it would behave if ID was wrong? Another thing is the denomination was set at 5.....which should have been 25. I will pull head and check that DIP.....unless someone suggests otherwise. At least I'm going forward, instead of backwards. :103-

Yes, try dip switch #10 the other way.

The denomination (while wrong) won't make it not work. It just determines how many credits to give for a dollar. Some people set it up as $.01 so they get 100 credits for every dollar. A quick way to add credits for home use.

But where did you see the denomination at 5? Normally when you use a set chip it defaults the denomination to 0 when you get to that setting.

I will go flip Dip # 10 then. I used the instructions from here. Not only the denomination was at 5....I remember it being at 5 before, but the validator was at 9 1 as well.

Well....the DIP was at 10 and I changed it back....still won't accept any bills. It does hold them for 3 or 4 seconds before it spits them out.

Does it just stop and hold it and spit it out, or do you hear things 'running' (i.e. the transport trying to grab it). Are you using $1s

And your credit limit is high correct? Becasue any bill that would exceed the limit would get rejected.

Poppo, it doesn't seem to be running. It acts like a working one....keeps it so long you expect to see the credits register. I have tried 1s 5s 10s and 20s. I will go through some of those other settings again and see if something will work.

You can run a test mode directly on the BV to see if it will accept bills. The head LED will flash any errors.

BTW, does your BV head say ID022/023 on it?

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If it's holding the bill that long then the DBV is successfully reading the bill and accepting it. The delay is caused by the dbv waiting for confirmation from the machine to take the bill. (The bill won't be stacked until the DBV receives confirmation.) The bill is rejected when the DBV doesn't receive an answer or if the answer is to not accept it. If the DBV were not reading the bills, it would spit them out quickly.

There's a possibility that the power supply is an issue (it also contains the board that interfaces with the machine) or it could be the harness, or it could be your software settings.

Following up on stats reply.....

The DBV 200 and DBV 145 both have the same electrical interfaces and sometimes when the head gets upgraded (from 145 to 200) they forget to change the power supply.
The 200 head has a higher amp draw than the 145 and using the 200head with the 145 supply can produce flakey results (like you are describing).

If you look at the power supply the proper 200 power supply has slots in it, the older 145 supply doesn't.

Cheers

From the first page.  :209-
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If course now that I dug that up, it also says the ID which is what I asked a few posts ago.  :25-

I just wanted to let everyone know I finally got this working. I just decided to try the set chip again and it took bills and registered credits. Thanks for the help !

 :105- :3- :3-   :259-   It's been a long thread. :96-

Do you think that you might have made a mistake configuring the set chip options in prior attempts, or do you think that the machine just didn't save the settings correctly?

I'm not real sure.....it was only second attempt. I was shocked it worked, but thanks !

Now you can post pictures of your working slant top! When you hit something good, post a picture in the best hits at home thread.

Stat :31-

FYI, and I'm not sure if this is what happened. But it you if you set the denomination, but power down the machine before 'saving' it (by pressing the self test button again) it will reset to 0. This would cause the machine to behave like yours was. It will take the bill, validate it, but then ultimately reject it due to a zero denomination. This is why it's important to set the denomination, press the self test button again to save the setting, and then turn off the machine.

With a set 15 (not a set 90) I would always change the denom then power down or only go to the next setting if you come back to the denom setting with a set 15 it would be 0 again.

It may be set chip dependent, but I know some will not save the setting if you power it down on the denomination without at least going to the next setting. A SET058 also resets to 0 if you go back around again.

I agree with Foster and poppo. As with the regular S+ settings, I've always advanced one press of the test button after my last change to be sure it's saved, and when using the set chips, I never complete the cycle back to first page. That's always worked for me.  Just my 2¢.