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Thinking about getting a burner. What are your thoughts on this one?
http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4312 (http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4312)
Thanks for any advice, Ford
PS  I don't know crap about them

I do believe that is the one that a lot of people here recommend.

Thanks poppo, :259-  This old boy has to see if he has enough smarts remaining to use one.
Ford

for its price it is a decent one.
Especially since the software developers made sure it works with all Windows Versions including 64 bit that we use.

That's the one I have.
And till the guys here told me that was a
good one I had no idea how to burn chips.
But the software makes it a no brainier to
make backup copy's and to backup the files to your computer.

Depending on what chips you are looking to back up you will most likely want this adapter as well:

http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4289 (http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4289)

It is a 16 bit eprom adapter needed to read and program 16 bit eproms for chips like Base and Key chips for IGT igames and S2000's.

Also I have had the GQ-4X for several years and am happy with it!

CaptainHappy :95-

Thanks guys. You are a big help & if I get one like CaptainHappy said I better get adapter.
Don't know if I should get on eBay or pay a little more & get direct from manufacturer.

Ford, The only way to go!...if this old fart can work it , I know you can too!. And I am here to help out another old fart if needed.

Thanks Coors. I am sure I will need help.
An NLG member was here today & convinced me I should get one.

You may call the MFGR and see if they can do a bundle deal with the adapter... It does not hurt to ask. You may at least save on shipping? Also tell them that you were sent to them by me and Newlifegames. They may remember that I said we would send people their way?

CH :95-

Thanks

For what we're doing on slots should I get the full pack or light pack?
http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_dynamicIndex.asp (http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_dynamicIndex.asp)

I would get the full pack.
I regret not getting it when I bought my burner.

Thanks. Have to count my pennies & go for it.
Ford
 :259- to all for the help

Get the full pack..I did not. But I was only doing IGT stuff at the time. You have other brands and it would not hurt for the little difference in price.

Something tells me you have lots of pennys!!!

Something tells me you have lots of pennys!!!

Tim, if I did I would not have to think about it. :208-

Ford, if money is tight you might consider this 16 bit adapter instead of the one in CH's :95- link.
It's the same adapter but lacks a ZIF socket for the 42 pin chips and is $10 cheaper.

http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4290 (http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4290)

If you're not going to be burning 42 pin chips this might be the way to go, but if you think you'll need to use the 42 pin socket more than once in a blue moon I'd spend the extra $10 and get the one with two ZIFs. You might also want to consider how handy you are at inserting and removing large chips before getting the cheaper one. :71-

Here's CH's :95- original link so you can make a quick comparison.

http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4289 (http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4289)


I have the GQ-4X and am very happy with it. I don't own 100 slots and don't burn dozens of chips at a time. For those who do there are faster (and more expensive) units out there. The GQ-4X will burn about 1 Megabit/min (8 min for an 8 Meg chip). It reads chips much more quickly.

Stat :31-

Another way of saving money would be to buy the burner by itself ("light pack") instead of the full pack. That would save you another $25.

I realize that others have said otherwise, but the extras in the full pack are all intended for PLCC chips. They are those square chips with pins on all four sides. I honestly don't know of any major slots in which you'd find yourself dealing with PLCC chips as a matter of course. If you have arcade games you might need them. I'm sure someone will post if I'm wrong – but again, it's a way of shaving a few dollars off the cost if money is an issue.

You'll use that 16 bit 40/42 pin adapter FAR more than you'll use any PLCC adapters for our hobby, IMHO.


Stat :31-

As Stat has said the light pack would save some money... The only thing that I can think of that we use that uses PLCC chips would be the IGT Spectrum II Progressive displays.

As for the adapter that Stat pointed out, that is an older version like what I have, but it has been backordered for some time now, you should check with the mfgr for more details, but I suspect that they will probably want to steer people to the newer adapter that they have in stock. :103-

CH :95-

Personally I'd get the newer one with two ZIF sockets, but he said cost was an issue. Again, I don't think the slots use many 42 pin chips. :103- I could be wrong. :128- :129-  I agree that you should check the expected arrival date of new stock before ordering the cheap one.



P.S. Hmmm. One more post makes 9K. :79-

Looks like 9000 now.... You did not hold out for an earth shattering post.....  :200- :208-
 :105- :293- :259-
CH :95-

WAY TO GO. 9000 , now go for 10,000. :244- :244- :136- :wa

Got one coming w/adapter.
Thanks guys
Ford

Now you have to get some blank chips to play with. And have fun backing up all the chips you have to a safe place. I use cheap thumb drives and keep a backup in a fire proof safe. Lost too many hard drives to trust them.

Here is 71 used ones for $17. They have a few more auctions of these chips.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/slot-machine-assorted-mbo-eproms-lot-71-/290628872401?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D290628473416%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D4034664673495731294 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/slot-machine-assorted-mbo-eproms-lot-71-/290628872401?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D290628473416%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D4034664673495731294)

Good advice.
I don't know what # chips to look for or where a good place is to get them.
I'll be doing Bally 6000 & IGT 2000

Thanks, It's a place to start.
I put a bid in.
Ford

When buying chips, don't do the newby thing and ignore chip speed. Don't buy any chips that you do not know the speed. For the S2000 you will used 27c4002 for the SB , Clear and Key chips. Get 120 or 100 ns if possible. (27c4002-120) , 27c080 or 27c801 for the SG chips, 27c1001 or 27c010 for the version chips. IGT S-Plus uses 27c64 200ns or faster for 10Mhx boards or 120ns or faster for 16Mhz for the SS Reel chips (use 100 or faster if you plan to use the SS chip in a s2000 board.) 27c512-150 or faster for the SP chip

Bally I have no idea

Also keep in mind if you buy used chips you may/will need a UV eraser.

Ford, don't bid too high on those chips, In my buying experience the chips with the yellow lables are poker machine chips which tend to be 27c256 and 27c128 chips which you will have no use for unless you have old PE or PE+ machines. You can blow up the picture and read 256 on a few.

 :136- :105- :136-

I would not bother with the 27c64 when a 27c512 will work fine with either an offset or by filling all 'banks'. The 27c512 seem to be cheaper too anyway.

I agree, just giving him some info to remember when falling into GOOD deals on e-bay. The 512's are the best way to go on S+ chips. I bought a case of a 1000 27c512-100's brand new in the tubes at a local auction for $0.22 a piece a few years ago. I use them for everything.

I ordered a burner and eraser a couple days ago and also ordered eproms in various sizes.  I didn't know about the ability to use 512s in place of the smaller eproms.  Sice I have never done this before can you tell me what burning with and off set means? 

The 27C512 holds 8 times as much data as a 27C64. So think of it as having 8 'banks'. To use a 27C512, you have two options.

1. Load the data using offset C000 which put it in the correct 'bank'. How to set the offset will vary depending on the burner software.
2. Create a file that has 8 copies of the data. One in each bank. There are several ways to do this, but I use the 'DOS' command:

copy /b 1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin 27512.bin /b

where 1.bin is the original file and 27512.bin is the resulting file that you just burn directly to the 27512. I use this in a batch file and just rename the original file to 1.bin before running it.

Thanks poppo.  I will give that a shot when the burner gets here.

You can download the gq-4x software from MCU Mall and it will run in demo mode without the programmer. That way you can play around with it and get use to where things are.

tHANKS. i DOWNLOADED IT , now I can play
Ford

You both are going to find this free program ( there are others ) to be helpfull . http://mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/   Stat turned me onto it and I would be lost without it.

You know I think when you get a fellow that knows what he's doing, he finds the hard way of doing it. At least for me it's the hard way but not to him. Take this copy /b 1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin 27512.bin /b   I'm lost. Now here's the way Stat says to do it, again I'm lost and he's the one that taught me how to do it. 

Quote from Stat a couple of weeks ago

The fastest way I know of is to use HxD with keyboard commands. Press <ctrl>A once, then <ctrl>C once, then <ctrl>V  8 times (or whatever – the first paste overwrites the original data, so it's 8 pastes, not 7). Then use the mouse to "save As" (there is no keyboard equiv.)
DON'T PRESS <ctrl>s. That will overwrite your original file.

I can do it in 15 seconds flat from start to finish (does not include using the burner). It does include the time it takes to open the original file in HxD, copy, paste x8, save new file and close HxD. I just timed it. 

(Hint: You don't have to take your pinky off of the <ctrl> key. Just press and hold it, then hit A, C, V, V, V, V, V, V, V, V)

SF

I open the file with HxD, copy it once and paste it 8 times, save as, then burn the new file.  The only thing I have to remember is copy, paste and know how to count to 8  ( 4 if it's a 27C256 chip ) !!  I guess I'll just keep on doing it the hard way.

Ford  here is a thread you need to read about Bunker's GQ-4X.  If I was you I would write down everyone name that told you to buy one.  Bet your Christmas card mailing list will have a few names less when it's all said and done!!

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=1947.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=1947.0)

Thanks Buzz. That is a good thread. Bunker always goes into good detail.
I didn't go through the whole thread yet, but I'll go over it a few times & bookmark it.
When I start I'm going to use some old game chips first so I don't screw up a good game.
Ford

That is why you can just put it in a batch file (i.e. 27512.bat) and forget about it. You then just take the original file, rename it to 1.bin, and double click the batch file. Done.  Actually what I do is I have a 'working' folder, for example c:\burner. That folder has all of the conversion batch files and that's it. So then I stick a COPY of the original file in there, rename it and run the batch file. Then I can just delete the 1.bin file when I'm done. The next conversion will overwrite the output file 27512.bin.

You can also create different ones for different chips. For example

/b 1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin 27256.bin /b

and call it 27256.bat

Of course it's just all a matter of personal preference and any of these methods will work.

Ford, The Hxd program Buzz suggests is great to have and well worth getting, (that is the program I used to make Sally's mastercomm chip)

But you can do the cut and paste right in the GQ-4x screen. I will try to make a movie of reading, saving and then burning a SS chip to a 27c512 chip using cut and paste right in the GQ-4x program.

A video would be great. For an old buzzard like me I would learn more from that then from book.
I printed the manual out & looking that over.
When you have a chip with window in can you erase it with any kind of ultra violet light?
I have one about 8 inches long I use to repair windshields on cars.

OK Ford, Here is video # 1. Simple backup how-to. the first thing to play with is backing up all your chips to a file.

And a windsheild repair UV light will not cut it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cNtRZIDHzE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cNtRZIDHzE)

When the video starts, click on the You Tube logo lower right side to watch it in You Tube and you can play full screen so you can read it.

there is a large number of eprom erasers on eBay.
I bought a ANGO LA6T Professional Ultraviolet EPROM
Eraser for $10 plus shipping. Works great for the few chips
I burn and messed up.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANGO-LA6T-Professional-Ultraviolet-EPROM-Eraser-/250859958721?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a686b31c1

GREAT VIDEO COORS.  :244- :244- a picture is worth a thousand words.
That really helped me.
Ford

Proten, I'll have to look into getting one of those to.

Part II for you Ford

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeiPtYEItVs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeiPtYEItVs)

I ordered one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/EPROM-Chip-UV-Ultraviolet-Light-Eraser-Eraseable-Timer-/120803409085?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c2071bcbd#ht_4430wt_1392

THANKS COORS.
Great job. Now I can't wait for it to come. Those videos were a big help.
 :259- :136- :136- :136- :136- :136-

Bad part is they come from Hong Kong

Your welcome !!

and the blank chips I sent you went out in the morning mail, So you should have them before the burner. Also I thru in a few extra for you to play with. Nothing worse than having a new toy and waiting for stuff to come from China!....Enjoy

MCU Mall has the UV erasers too!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Low-cost-Tool-007-EPROM-chip-UV-ERASER-4-27C256-27C512-27c1028-/310345943261?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item48420f48dd (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Low-cost-Tool-007-EPROM-chip-UV-ERASER-4-27C256-27C512-27c1028-/310345943261?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item48420f48dd)


This is the one I have

What program do you use to print you labels?

Mostly
MicroSoft Word

or my label maker - Brother p-touch PT2430PC

:212-

While I'll still use HxD to page copy my data files, I like your method. I used to do everything in DOS; they had to pull me kicking and screaming into WinBlows 95. :97- :97-

For those who choose to create a batch file, I strongly recommend Poppo's suggestion of using a working folder with a copy of the original file to prevent the accidental overwrites that will inevitably happen from doing any harm.

For those who don't understand batch files, they are basically text files with an extension of .bat which when executed, run each line in the file as if it were a DOS command typed in manually. There are also some special commands that can be used to test conditions and select different branches of instructions.

Just run notepad and paste Poppo's text into the file, then select "Save As" and make sure to add ".bat" to the end of your file name to override the default ".txt" extension. Double clicking on the batch file will run it. To re-edit it, right click and choose "Edit". It should open in notepad.

If the batch file is designed to make 8 copies of a file, it doesn't matter what size the original is. If the original is 64k chip it will make a file for a 512k chip. If the original is a 1mb chip it will make a copy for an 8mb chip.

<EDIT> Here's exactly what should be copied into the batch file. Remember to rename the copy of the original file "1.bin" before running the batch. The finished file will be "8.bin" (or "4.bin")

To copy 8 times over. I used the name 8.bin instead of 27512.bin because it will work for any sized chips. I'd call the batch file "Make 8X.bat"


To copy 4 times over, create a different batch file.  Call it "Make 4X.bat"

Once you copy the new "8.bin" or "4.bin" file back to the original folder, don't forget to rename it properly so you know what it is. :96-

Coors,  :259- for taking the time to create those videos. :71-  However, my concern with paging the files in that manner is that it introduces a large margin for human error and is very slow. If someone accidentally misses the first or last byte when selecting the original file or accidentally clicks on the wrong address for any of the eight pastes, the file will be corrupted.

Using a batch file as Poppo suggests or using my keyboard method in HxD with <Ctrl>A and multiple <Ctrl>V commands are both guaranteed to always select the correct amount of data and to always paste it sequentially with no overlaps or gaps.

That's just my 2¢ FWIW.


Stat :31-

You do not need the trailing /b, but you do need it as the first argument for the copy command.

copy /b 1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin+1.bin 8.bin

Works just fine, I suspect the copy command ignores the trailing /b.

Oh if I ever find a E(E)PROM programmer for a Mac I will have to show the mac users how it is done in HexEdit

Foster you might be right, but I actually checked before posting (because I had the same thought), and here's the official syntax for the copy command.
Note that the [/A |/B] switch can be specified for every source and destination file. It certainly seems redundant to me :103- , but I didn't want our members posting back that it didn't work.

Stat :31-

I never had a problem leaving of the trailing /b DOS, Windows CMD will not change file type when copying a file, unless you force it to do so.
I have never tried to do a copy /b 1.dat 2.txt /a or a copy /a 1.txt 2.dat /b, I think we would get some strange results.

IF you leave it off (unless they changed the default action) it can truncate a file due to a End Of File (EOF) marker being in the file.
DOS EOF is a CNTRL-Z or ASCII 26.

The /B forces the copy command to use the actual file size or length and ignore any special ASCII codes (not act on them)

One of these days I will have to tell you how I kept people from using DEL, ERASE, FORMAT and a few other dangerous Commands in DOS on my computer(s).

With little experience with DOS, I for one prefer and use Coor's way of copying and paste. If I need to copy and paste eight(8) times, I would copy four times and then copy that four and paste one more time. If you take a good look at the last line of the original file before copying and then after pasting check the last line of the new file they should match. This pretty much eliminates human error going undetected.
Make sure you save the new file with a new name so the original is preserved!

Another thing I do with my old GQ-2X is ID any chip I put in the burner before reading/writing. Pressing ID shows me the chip size and manufacture as seen by the burner. (some old chips do not have this capability) This tells me everything is good before I proceed. Not sure if the GQ-4X does this automatically?

Those were nice video's Coors,  :259-

My burner just showed up.  Looking forward to playing with it.  I guess I will practice on an extra chip.  Blank chips are still apparently on the slow boat from china so I won't be writing anything for awhile.

 :244- Did not receive mine yet. Keep us updated how you are making out with it.
Ford

Just received email. THEY ARE READY TO SHIP MY BURNER. Here I thought it should be here soon. :208- :208- :279-

received care package today. Thanks coors. Now when burner comes I can play.  :244- :244-
Ford

Don't get the 055 adapter, it's junk. Get the 054. It's 10 bucks more I think, but works MUCH BETTER!!

I have the 54 adapter coming

What commercial does this come from???

ANTICIPATION, anticipation is making me wait! :199- :183- :184- :185- :280-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLoyg3JKRQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLoyg3JKRQ)

You will appreciate it even more when you get it! :97- :89- :71- Hopefully you will get the toy before the weekend! :71- :71- :71-

CH

I could NOT burn an SB chip at all with the 055.
I got the 054 adapter and haven't had a single problem!

When you start playing, if you are sure none of the legs on the eprom are folded over, CHECK AGAIN!! & then CHECK AGAIN!!
That's why my Bally is still down!!

Interesting... :129- :103- I think that I have an adapter from before the 054 as I have had it for many many years, (I had it before the GQ-4X even! Picture attached.) and I ran into a problem with some 4002 or 4096 chips not programming. They would blank check fine, but fail immediately when I tried to program them... Most, if not all, (CRS) were Hitachi parts, and I just assumed that I got a bad lot of parts. (more than 10-15 failed I think...) Maybe it is the adapter, and I may want to invest in the 054 that I always keep suggesting to people???

 :259- for making me think....

CH :95-

EDIT: Add picture from cell phone after fighting to get it to cooperate!

Don't forget that the song was written by Carly Simon and released back in 1971, eight years before Heinz paid her to use the song in the commercial. She was quoted as saying that she wrote the song while waiting for Cat Stevens to pick her up on their first date.

What's odd is that they appear to be identical except for the extra ZIF socket. :103- Maybe it was a quality control issue?

I'm not a DOS person. I'm going to use Coors way.
Ford

Look at the monkey wrench that I throw in when you see the picture that I was finally able to attach... I have a DINOSAUR adapter, no PLCC even! :208-

All that I could think is that the newer one may have a better PCB design???

CH :95-

CH :95-

With the 055 I could lock a chip in and lift it out quite easily. With the 054, I tried to pull it out but didn't want to bend the legs. It is MUCH tighter in the 054!
Has to be a quality issue!

You don't need to be. The HxD method I suggested is done in Windows in that program. Using keyboard commands isn't necessary but is much faster than using the mouse. The keyboard commands don't work as they should in the GQ-4X software (I tried it) which is why I use HxD. HxD is just easier because the program was designed to edit and manipulate binary files while the burner's software was primarily designed to load and write, or read and save files. Editing is not its strong suit.

As for Poppo's suggestion, you won't be using any DOS there either. He's already given you the "DOS" code. All you have to do is paste in into a new textfile and save it as we explained. From that point on, you will just be using Windows to copy files into your work folder and then double clicking on the batch file program icon to run it. If I had video capability I'd make a video showing you how easy it would be to use. If you tried it once you'd never use the GQ-4X program to create paged files again.

I got my burner and UV eraser about a month or so ago. Is M27C4002-10F a good SB chip?
I paid less than $2.50 a piece for them.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/8p-M27C4002-10F1-M27C4002-DIP-40PIN-EPROM-IC-B20-/260830513825?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbab5caa1 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/8p-M27C4002-10F1-M27C4002-DIP-40PIN-EPROM-IC-B20-/260830513825?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbab5caa1)

-10 is a 100ns chip and should be fast enough for your slot applications. $2.50 is a good price for 4mb chips.

FORDSBS and Uniman (and anyone else who's interested),

Here is a zip file with directory and a set of 2x, 4x, and 8x batch files all ready to go. Just save it where you'd like to have your working directory and then select "Extract to here." It will create a work folder which will already contain the three batch files and a sample 1.bin file.

The sample bin file is 8k (for a 64k chip) and just has the text "start of file" on the first two lines and "End of File" on the last two lines. The rest if blank (FF).


All you have to do is double click on any of the batch files to make an expanded (paged) version of the 1.bin file. Click on all three and see how fast and easy it is to make three new files! :71-

To put it into actual use, copy a file you want to expand from another folder into this one. Delete my sample 1.bin and rename your copied file 1.bin. Then double click on any of the batch icons to make you new file(s). Take your new file (8.bin for example) and rename it something that makes sense to you, then copy it back to your original folder. That's it.

Enjoy,

Stat :31-

????? What do I use to open Bin files?
Ford

The burner software or hxd (or any hex editor)

They are good but I use this guy:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-ST-27C4002-UV-EPROM-M27C4002-4M-DIP40-/280712780489?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415bc91ac9 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-ST-27C4002-UV-EPROM-M27C4002-4M-DIP40-/280712780489?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415bc91ac9)
I have them in 2 days , not 2 weeks. But if you are not in a hurry yours is a good deal. My guy will deal off e-bay for a few dollars cheaper. he is in California and carries all size chips you need. He will combine shipping and discount multiple pruchases of mixed chips. been dealing with him for at least 2 years with out any issue. Gladly replaces any chip with an issue (only had 2 bad ones in a few hundred) never bent pins and clean erased chips. great communication.

 

  http://www.buyicnow.com/fincat.php?cat=79      Out of 5 or 6 hundred never got a chip that wasn't erased, never a trace of a label or a bent leg. If your in a hurry at check out you can chose DHL and it cost about 20 bucks more, but you will get them in 3 days.  Check out the discount.

I second this guy. Buzz turned me on to him and I've been very happy with my two large orders. The chips were in great shape and inserted into anti-static foam, not stacked like auditorium chairs after a party.

I noticed that on chips like the 27C512, no speed is listed.

I'm new @ this chip thing.
What's the  10F1-10XF1-12F1-12F6-15-F1 ETC. after the STM27C4002?

The speed. Tyically -10 =100ns   -12 = 129ns etc. The letters are package type, temperature rating, other features.

Thanks poppo. I keep learning. What we want is lower #?

Faster is usually better. But no need to pay a preimum for super fast chips if the system will never make use of it. For example a 16mhz S+ needs 120ns or better. I would not pay much extra for 90ns if I can get 120ns for less.

OK Looking at 3 different chips, exactly as they appear on the chips.... 1 says

  M27C256B
         -12F1
        5880H
   ST  9901E

another one says

ST
M27C256B
12F1 L
9G003 V5
MYS 8B 432

another the third one says

ST
M27C256B
12F1 L
9G002 V5
MYS 9G 831

ARE THESE CHIPS ALL THE SAME CHIPS?

 :200-

For all practical purposes - yes.

Yes, You can use most any 27c256 -12 chip or faster in their place . It is a 27 series 256K chip @ 120NS.

So it's ok then, for say, my personality chips to use one of each? They don't both have to be exactly the same. And does that apply for the mains also?

Same size and speed you will be OK.

I got a chance to try out my burner tonight.  No chips to write but I was able to back up some of my universal with no problem.  Most importantly I backed up my CEIs which I could probably never replace.  I did encounter a strange thing with the CEI one chip it told me that it could not id the chip but it read it fine.  Is that an issue? When My chips show up I want to try that one on a fresh chip and make sure all is well with the backed up file.

Some older chips do not have the capability of being ID'd. As long as it doesn't say it's damaged should be ok. Read it a few times and look at the checksum to make sure it matches each time.

Another chip question.
For a Bally 6000 U28 & u43 chips that are in are on m27c2001. The 2003's I have are on 4001.
Can I burn from a 4001 to a 2001.

My burner should have been here today & did not come.

my chips showed up to and I was able to burn one and test it.  At first I had trouble it went through the write process but remained blank.  I unplugged the burner from the usb hub and plug it directly into the back of the PC and it worked.  It must not have had enough power.

M27c2001 is a 2meg chip and the 4001 is a 4 meg chip. So a 4001 will not fit on a 2001. But someone may have copied a 2001 file to a 4001 chip using the copy and paste 2 times.

I recommend that people using the GQ-4X:
1 Do connect it to a USB hub unless powered
2 Get a power supply for it. If it is like the GQ-2X I had it is a 12V 1A supply.
my GQ-2X quit reading and burning chips until it is powered by a separate Power Supply.

Ford  I'm going to word this like you are a two year old. please don't take offence.

You have a 4 gallon bucket and you need to fill it with using a 2 gallon bucket.  You must fill the 2 gallon bucket twice to completely fill the 4 gallon bucket. This is how 2 and 4 meg chips work.  You must fill a 4 meg twice with  files from a 2 meg chip.  You can not fill a 2 gallon bucket with a full 4 gallon bucket and not have something left over. ( This didn't come out the same way I'm thinking, but I think the idea is there. )  Someone  :99- me.

Not trying to confuse you but as a example, if you had a blank 27C801 ( 8 meg) you could copy your 27C4001 files into in by doing a offset twice. ( 4 meg chip cost about 2 bucks, 8 meg about 6 bucks )

The only reason a chip is ever programmed with a offset is because the programmer (human ) didn't have the correct chip in the first place. ( Boy I can hardly wait for the responce to that statement )

Ford In a PM I made you a offer and I will make you, or anyone else the same offer in the open forum. If you ever have a need for a offset and are not sure how to do one, send me the chip and I will do the offset for you and send it back.  I'm quite sure a few other members will make the same offer. David says it takes him 15 seconds, I'm old and it took me 25 seconds.

Well, you asked for it.  :96-

The statement is true, but it may be by choice. I personally see no reason to 'stock' two different types of chip when one will do.

Thanks Buzz.
Coorslight just walked me through it & I did it.
Can't wait for burner to come now so I can try it .

 :105- Ford !!

You get an A+ today on your report card !! :3- :3- :wa :wa :136- :136-

Well Coors , you get  :259- for being a GOOD TEACHER.
Ford

Is this a good chip for Bally Mains?

http://www.buyicnow.com/fincat.php?cat=131 (http://www.buyicnow.com/fincat.php?cat=131)

They will work

A 27c2001 and a 27c020 are pretty much the same and will work in place of each other

Same goes for:

27c4001 and 27c040

27c1001 and 27c010

27c080 and 27c801

27c4002 and 27c4096

I think this chip mixing & matching has confused me more than anything so far........
 :279-

I'm getting pissed. My burner was shipped on 11/8/11 from Washington, PRIORITY MAIL.
I ordered from MCUmall Electronics Inc.
I checked tracking & it shows it went from Washington 0n 11/9/11. Tracking said it should be
delivered on 11/12/11. Nothing fast about USPS priority.
Hope it makes it on 11/15/11.

LOL I usually order stuff and completely forget about it... :89-
So, every time I open my mailbox or come home and see a package on the doorstep -
I get surprised!  :72-

You're watching grass grow or waiting for water to boil... :208-

That's the problem with priority mail. It's not guaranteed. I had a package take 2 weeks to go 500 miles.  :60-

Go with snail mail...it's not any slower and much cheaper!  :71-

Depends on what you are mailing. You can fit an awful lot into a flat rate box.  :89-

USPS = USELESS, STUPID, PEOPLE, SHIPPING
One of the SB chips I ordered had a big boot print on it. Let me think......  :103- Did they drop it and step on it abd ship it without any conern of it's condition?

ABSOLUTELY!!!
I knew when I opened it what I would fiind. An Eprom with half it's legs folded over by a BIG OLD ARMY BOOT STOMPING ON IT!  :208-

USPS = MORONS
 

Ah, now there's your mistake Poppo! It wasn't their speed that was the problem, it was their sense of direction. :127-  It actually left the post office via the back door, traveled 24,400 miles (give or take a few hundred) and had a grand tour of the world before dropping dead on your doorstep. :96-  :25- :30-  :208- :208- :208-

Stat :31-

Sort of like UPS. A package that comes to me first goes to San Antonio (30 miles East), then goes to Uvalde, (50 miles West and they practically drive by my house on the way), and then it has to go out for delivery and come the 50 miles back to me.  :25-

Given his current stock (looking at available speeds and prices), instead of buying the TI TMS27C020-12JL for $1.50/ea base price,
why not buy these instead:
http://www.buyicnow.com/fincat.php?cat=504 (http://www.buyicnow.com/fincat.php?cat=504)   SST SST27SF020-70-3C-PH  for $1.45/ea base price?

Not only are they a heck of a lot faster and less expensive, they're flash chips (EEPROMs), so you won't be sitting around waiting for them to be erased.


Stat :31-

Which brings up a good point. We have all been talking about burners, but nobody has mentioned the likely need for an eraser (for UV eproms).

This was posted by Coorslight.

Also keep in mind if you buy used chips you may/will need a UV eraser.

Even if you buy new ones you may need/want to erase them at some point.

This isn't the right question for this topic, but what does this mean?
Am getting this on my Bally 6000
83F-0 Invalid SafeRAM™ EPROM Wrong EPROM's used for SafeRAM™ Clear.

Burned on the wrong chip?
Burned em to M27C2001

They are the leave in type.

I use the chips & get that sometimes. I'll do another clear & it works.
But then I'm taking chips out & putting back in.

Problem is, I can't do a clear!

Do you have a set of regular clear chips to try?

I get this error error with those...

83F-1 Invalid Main EPROM Wrong Main EPROM's detected after SafeRAM™ Clear

What chip should you burn them on? My regular clears are on 27c2001.

OK, just wanted to make sure. Mine were on an odd ass chip when I got them.

Got my burner today. (8 days)
Got my Eprom clear today. (2 days) Both came from same place.
  GOOD DAY.
Tried burner &  it looks like chips came out OK.
Will try them tonight .
 :136- :wa

Whoo woo!!!  :wa
Another truly addicted soul!
Haha! Anybody that has one is in knee deep!  :89-

I think Wallet deep would be more accurate.. :208- :208- :208- :208-

 :71- :71- :71- Have fun with the new toy!!!

CH :95-

What chips can you use where the chip is a 27C801. It's a sound chip for bally 6000.
Thanks, Ford

27C801 is also for S2000 SG chips.

Thanks. I have my notes on IGT 2000's @ work. I have to look through them tomorrow.

27c801 or 27c080....pricey ones  :8-

thanks, have to go through old chips & see if I have one

$6 each shipped from china...Hope you do not need too many !!

@ that price I'll go through what I have. I don't need it that bad

Ford  The Williams 550 I got from Kirk takes 8 M27C801 for a game change.  See why I buy them 100 at a time.


I think I located some M27C801 sold in lots of 50 for 4 bucks each. Let me know if your interested.

I've been playing with my burner & I love it.
Thanks to all for help & advice.
 :259- to coorslight & Buzz for the EXTRA help.
Ford

Glad that you are happy with it, and are having fun!!! :71- :71- :71- Soon you will be teaching the newbies how to backup like a pro!!! :89- :89- :89- :244- :244- :244-

CH :95-

You know what's fun to do? I like to stare at that little blue dot in the front till I see stars...
WOW............. What a rush!!!!

     :136-

Does anyone have any problem using the GQ-4X burner with windows 7 64 bit?

Work great with Windows 7 64bit once you get past the install issue that is addressed on their forum

I had a problem with it on my laptop with windows 7.  You have to download the drivers and manually install them and it should work ok. 

I forgot to reply, sorry.
Got the usb driver and it works perfectly now, Thanks,

JR

These burners are OK. I just did my first my first mastercom 250. Got it on second try.
THANKS TO MY TEACHER YESTERDAY.  :wa
Next time I try I'll likely have a problem.

And who said you can't teach an old dog new tricks?? :208- :208-

Congrats Ford and you did it all by yourself!! :136- :136- :293- :105-

Congrats Ford and you did it all by yourself!!

No I did not do it myself. It was your instructions that did the trick.
First time it would not load.

What chip was it on? Was I correct with the 512? If so I have about 40 of the w27E512 electrically erasable ones here .I can send a few to make your playing a little faster and save the light bulb in your eraser. :200-

The one that was in was 29f040b . That is what I put it on

thats right I forgot they are on flash chips