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Hello I just got this wild cherry slot machine 3 coin Slant top...

On ths candel both lights are flashing when the door is closed and open.. Tryed resting it with the key and the test button...

It shows 12 in the winers payed and change light flasing also... im guessing the 12 it is showing is a error code???

When closing the big door the real dont spin and reset it self.. nothing happends at all...

It wont take any coins... it just drops them back out... it dont have the bill acepter....

Attache are some pics.... Please Help.....

Some more pics..

You need to replace the battery on the MPU board

Will have to reset the the machine using the rom chips?????

Only if you have a bill validator installed.
If so, then you'll need a SET chip to re-enable the DBV.

If there's no DBV, then you may get a [61-x] error code which are easy to clear.
When & if you get a 61 error, let us know and we can walk you through the procedure.
If you'd like to learn by yourself.
Here's where you can get some info!...>>>

http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/ (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/)

A lot of times after a battery change you get stuck in the 61-0 loop. Might be a good idea to have a clear and set chip on hand. You will need them at some time or another.

You should not have to even with a BV. The EEPROM stores the BV enable data. A bad battery is no different than pulling the CMOS which will get 're-loaded' when clearing the 61.

Ok.. Thank you for all your help.... I orderd the battery so i should have it this week...

I will let you know when i get it...

Thank you again..

Mark

Dose any one know where i can get the clear chip and the reset chip just in case i need them?????

I all ready orderd the battey... Just waiting for it to come in to me...

Dose any one know where i can find a slant top manual for this wild cherry machine???

I found the manual for the stand up style but cant find the slant top manual...

I can post pics of my mother board later tonight and check the numbers on the chips later tonight......

I know i seen 1 of the chips has a clear see through part on the chip. Not sure if this means any thing.....

Just put a WTB in the classifieds here. But first use this method to determine your SP and SS numbers.

http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm)

While just about any set chip will work for enabling a BV, it's best to get the one specified for your SP chip so that you can enable other features at some point if you wanted to. Certain features require a specific set chip.

The window on the chip just means it's an eprom and someone was either too lazy to put a piece of tape over it or it fell off. The window is used for erasing the chip with a UV lamp. While it's unlikely to accidentally erase the chip with the window uncovered, it's good practice to keep it covered with some tape or a label.

To be, um, "clear", there is a "clear chip" and a "SET chip" (not a "reset chip").  A clear chip is used to zap the memory of the EEPROM that is fixed inside of your machine.  It is incredibly rare to need a clear chip on an S+, although one of the rare occasions is that you sometimes need it after replacing a low battery.  On the other hand, I've had machines with low batteries that fired right back up without any hesitation after replacing the battery, so you don't always need it.

A "SET chip" is used to enable a dollar bill validator.  Since your machine does not have a dollar bill validator, you do not need a SET chip for it.

Should you desire to buy a clear chip, you can post in the classifieds section (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?board=108.0) and a vendor or member will be able to sell you one.  Typically the pair of clear and SET chips go for under $20.  Since you don't have a bill validator, and the need for a clear chip is pretty rare, I'd probably hold off for now until you get your battery replaced -- you very well may not need the clear chip.



The only difference between the two are some physical parts (the hopper is different as an upright doesn't use a coin escalator, for example).  The operation of the machines is identical, though.



I'm not being nit-picky, but I want to explain a couple of terms since you're new to this and the terms tend to get jumbled up.   :214-

• The removable board to the left of the hopper that slides out and contains the GAME ("SP") and DATA ("SS") chips is called the MPU board.  (Always turn the power off before removing or inserting the MPU board or permanent damage can occur.)
  
  
• The fixed board in the back of the machine that the MPU board is plugged into is called the motherboard.  The motherboard is typically never removed from a machine unless it gets damaged or if the EEPROM needs to be replaced (not a frequent occurrence).
  

As far as the "clear see through part on the chip", that is called a "window", and is exposed to permit the chip to be erased with the use of a special UV light.  Exposing the chip to UV light will erase the data on the chip and allow it to be reprogrammed with the use of an EPROM programmer (typically called an "EPROM burner").  Since you don't want to erase the data on your chip, it would be a good idea to put a label or a piece of black electrical tape over the window to prevent any risk of accidentally exposing the chip to enough UV light that could cause it to be erased.  In reality, you'd need to leave it exposed to the sun for weeks before there would likely be any damage, but, "better safe than sorry."

Since the chip doesn't have a label on it, we won't be able to determine the data that is burned on it until after you get your low battery issue resolved.  (The numbers printed on that chip will just tell you what kind of EPROM chip it is -- not what information has been programmed on the chip.)

Not to jump ahead, but once your battery issue is resolved, this page (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm) explains how to use your machine to determine what SP and SS chips you have installed.

Thank you for letting me know about puting some tape over that clear window on that chip.
I will do that when i get home...

I bought this unit off of Craigs list..

The guy said it was working untill his kids got to playing with it....

I did find out that the sample coin was missing so i just replaced it with one of mine....

Thank you all for all your feed back with this issuse...

I will keep you posted once i receive the parts i orderd...

Thank you once again...

Mark

In another thread - a fella was calling the MPU... a "CPU".
I asked if he was fixing a slot machine, a laptop computer, or "R2D2"... :72-

Once you get it up and running. You'll want to see what your chips are in it and possibly get new stickers.

Currently (if my math is right) the top award for 3 coins is smaller than it is for 2 coins if it is at a 25 cent denom. You'll get it up and running in no time so I figured I should point it out so that you had your next project line up  :5-

S+ machines run like a tank once they are working. I have 2 slant tops just like yours without the bill validators and they are bulletproof.

Here are the pics of the board....

i just got done working on a slant top 5x machine i bought from craiges list for 60.00..

Then i bought this wild cherry slant top for 100.00


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How would i fugure out what the chip numbers are???

http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm)

4 is displayed in your coins played window. the it shows 0 the flashes 4133 in the winners payed...

Nothing shows up in the credit window like the link you sent me sayes....

Well 4133 would be a Wild Cherry reel chip ( 87% blech). But it should be alternating with another set of numbers.

would it have to do with the dip switche's on the board???

Nope. Might try doing it again.

It's also possible the game chip has partly erased due to no cover over the window and is bad. Normally you would get an 62_0 error if the game chip was bad, but since you already have a 12 error, you may need to get that cleared first to see what other errors come up.

If i put it on 6 on the coins played  i get 1    4 in the winnwer payed and then i get 2022 in the credits... Dose this mean anything??

Not really. But please tell us exactly what steps you did to get to that point.

All i did was press the test button untill i got to 6 and it showed these numbers i gave...

I got it to do a test spin using the test button.

I got it to make sound by using the test button...

Then i got it to click like it was cashing out and the coin counter was spinning by using the test button....

So when you have it on 4, it ONLY displays the 4133 and does not alternate with another number? The reason is that the SP chip number determines what the self test button displays. Using a PSR for the game chip (once we know what chip number it is) will allow us to interpret what you are getting. For example, a 6 in the coins played normally is for telling if the mechanical bell is on or off. But you gave some strange numbers. That makes me also think that your SP chip may be bad. But until you get the battery replaced, we won't know, as we need to get past the 12 error first (assuming the battery is actually bad the error is not the result of a bad SP chip). Do you have a meter? Can you measure the battery voltage?

I have a meter.

I will have to test it later tonight when i get home from work...

I live in southern Cail so it is 8am here and i dont get home untill 4:30PM.

I did all of this testing last night or should i say this moring around midnight....

Just for the heck of it, I looked at mine in my test machine.  :129-
When I press the little white Test button 10 times - the number "4" is displayed in the "Coins Played" window
and the SP chip number is displayed in the "Credits" window. (0676)
It's the SS reel chip (4265@92%) that alternates in the "Winner Paid" window with the GameType number.
In my case, a "2" since I have a Double Jackpot Haywire chip installed.

I recall that some of the real early SP chips did not come up in the display.  I am talking about SP chips with  numbers in the low hundreds.  Like SP 152,  for an example.  since you have an older type machine, no B.V. , full glass across the back, it could be that simple that you just have an old SP chip.

Wild Cherry was one of IGT's core games that came out in the "S" series, those did not require a SP chip at all.

Jim

Yea it is a older Wild Cherry Machine.

So i guess i will just have to wait until i get the new battery installed when i get it....

I should have it hopefuly by the end of this week...


Thank you all....

Mark    :131-

Ok, I just tried mine on my Gold Mopuntain and it alternates between
(winner paid) 00 (credits) 1048 (my sp is a 1048 type 0)
and
(winner paid) 00 (credits) 3819 (my reel chip is a 3819)

However, on my Haywire Deluxe it alternates between
(winner paid) 21 (credits) 0873 (my sp is a 873 and type 21)
and
(winner paid) 6418 (credits) 0873 (my reel chip is a 6418)

So they do display it differenty, but on both machines it does show the SP

Yes, I think all Jim was saying that the SP chips below 200 didn't display the SP number on the display.
However, SP chips like that are pretty rare and I've seen them used for the Military games.

The Military machines, although extremely cheap on the award payouts, have a really cool center display that displays errors and information much differently than our S+ displays - these were almost like the more modern VFD displays actually!  :91-

So this unit is a very rare slot machine..

i seen you said that the pay out is very low on this.

Can you change the chips on this machine??

Or if the chip is bad how hard will it be to find another chip like this one??

Can you make it a higher pay out by putting in a diffrent chip??

I'm sorry but I think you've misunderstood me.
I was relating to JIM's post in which he thinks that it's possible you have older SP chips installed and
I was talking about military chips - they put the lowest % chips on their machines.
Those particular ones with the numbers in the 100's may not display the SP number in the windows.
And yes, you may change chips on these boards but it would much better if you can pull out the board
and show us a pic of the board and the labels on the SS and SP chips -
that way, we can tell you what options you have.

Remember, the more you can show us - the more we can help you!

I do not think your chip is bad - I know your battery is though.
That's why you received the error code [12].

Can anyone tell me why there's a jug on the bottom front right-hand corner of the machine?
Did slants have those with a hose to grab spilled drinks in the coin tray?  :129-

Ok..

There is pics of the board all ready posted of the chips...

There is no writing on the chips them self, It has all been faded off the paper ontop of the chip.

One chip has just a clear window that i coverd with black tape like someone told me to do in this post.



I dont know why they have a jug there and a hose..

Mine has that on it also...

Thanks! I forgot you've added a picture already!  :25-
GOOD JOB! :89-  :3-

There might be a male drain spigot on the bottom of your coin tray for the hose to be attached to?

At this point I suggest to just wait until you get the battery replaced and then go from there. One way or another we will get this machine up and running.  :89-

Your machine isn't that rare -- it's an early S+ without an embedded bill validator.  Yes, you can put other higher percentage payout chips in the machine to get a better overall payout.  You can also get the correct award glass inserts to get your machine back to how it would have looked coming from the factory.  If you're interested, you can post in the classifieds section (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?board=108.0) with your request and one of the vendors or members should be able to supply the chips and inserts that you need.



Yes, there's a little drain in the bottom of the coin tray that a hose would be routed to that little white/clear plastic bottle to collect spilled liquid.  Bartop drop-in machines have the same thing.


:212-

Your chips and whatnot are probably fine -- I would just wait until you get your new battery installed before deciding to make any changes.  :89-

ok... i got the battery today..

Now i get 61 on the LCD panel...

Now what???

How do i clear the error 61??

Thank you

1. With the door open, press the self test button until it changes to 61_1 (and it should make a ding sound).
2. Close AND latch the door and then turn the jackpot reset key.

If all is well, the game will be ready to play.

And for future reference, you can go here to see how to clear any other errors.
http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/ (http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/)

The error 61 wont go away...

I press the test button and it gose away then it comes right back...

Please describe exactly what you are doing step by step. Ypu may be stuck in the 61 loop, but just want to verify the steps you are taking.

Also, you can try pulling the MPU out (with power off of course) and then pull the CMOS chip out for a few seconds. Put it back together and try again.

Ok...

With the power off.

I pulled the MPU and then installed the battery.

Then i put the MPU back in and turned the power back on.

I got the 61 error and then i pressed the test button for 2-3 sec.

The LCD display will go blank and the 61 will go away then it will come back..

Thats what i have done so far..

Ok, try pulling the CMOS chip as mentioned above and try again..

Definitely all the signs of the classic [61] Error Code Loop.
I'm watching this one!
I'm sure Poppo will get you going again!!  :89-

I thought the 61 loop is when the 61 comes back after turning the jackpot key. In other words I thought you would get a 61_1, but then the 61 would come back. In this case the 61 never changes to 61_1. Is that also the way the 61 loop works?

In any case if the CMOS pull does not work then the next step is a clear. I would probably also replace that SP chip because it is still suspect and we don't know what number it is because it does not display it.

drfreeze1739,
One more thing to try (not sure if this wil work with a 61 showing), but try pressing the self test to see if you can get into the menus, and if you can, keep pressing the button until it resets and then try to clear it agaiin.

Ok..

I turnd off the power.

Pulled the MPU.

Then removed the CMOS chip..

Put the chip back in.

Turend power on and got 61 error.

Pressed the test button and got 61-1 error and got a ding sound...

Turned the reset jack pot key..

Error went away and all the lights on the candel and the LCD went blank...

then the error came back to 61 on the LDC..

I've seen that code get stuck both ways Poppo...
I usually have a Clear chip on hand to rub it out and get the train back on track.

It is so very frustrating for newbies because they've never used Clear chips before
and don't understand that this is just about the only time they will EVER need one.

Pulling the CMOS is just like cutting off the power - to the CMOS only.
It's when the code gets stuck in the eeprom chip on the motherboard that drives people wild.
That's when they really need the clear chip.

You've played with the CMOS and eeproms and have learned a lot more than I
in how those puppies retain stuff and how to erase them.
I like using the Clear to wipe out both at the same time to start fresh.

Ok, that is more like the normal 61 loop.
 
Just for grins try pulling the CMOS again. And then try what I posted above (going though the menus if it will let you).

 :3- Nice job guys! Kudo's + for everybody!  :244-

I sort of wish I could get stuck in one so I could try and figure out just what is wrong. Without a clear chip, I would like to find an alternate way to get it working. I would probably try things like pulling the reel chip to force a reel chip error in the hopes that it will 'unstick' the 61.

Ummm... It's still stuck.  :209-

drfreeze1739,
If you don't get it working send me a PM with your address and I'll send you a clear chip and a known working SP chip (no charge).

Ok

I trtyed it agan and it did the same thing as before..

It wont let me go throught the menu in the 61-1 mode..

I can go through the menu in the 61 error mode...

But it comes right back to the 61 error...

Ok, after you have gone through the menus and it goes back to the 61, try clearing it again (don't pull the CMOS though).

And if that doesn't work, then see my post above and I'll send you the chips.

Im going to try pulling the reel chip like you sugested now,,

Will let you know what happens next..

By pulling the reel chip, I mean to leave it out when you power up, so the machine errors. Try to clear the 61 first if that comes up before the reel chip error. Then put it back in and try to clear any errors. Be sure not to plug it in the wrong way. If none of that works, I guess it's time for a clear as my bag-o-tricks is empty.

Cool! I'll chat with Poppo while you're working!  :72-




I have no clue WHY it happens - it,( the Loop) happens sometimes.

Here's something that happened at work that may be somehow related?
Remember we talked about how sometimes you can't get the optics to work with certain SP chips while using the Door Optics Bypass Harness?
Well, today I had a regular Type 0 SP game that I wanted to try in my test machine.
The MPU threw out the [66] code (expected that because I change the SP right?)
So... I turned off the machine and powered back up.
Then I got all those other ones like [65-3] (turn key) [65-2] (open door press test button)
[61]...press test again [61-1]
Now all you gotta do is close the door and turn the key right?
NO GO!   :96-
It was like as if I blew out the optics!
However, I quickly pulled the Bypass and went live into the real door optics.
Easy to do as I've never physically removed the optics from their mounts and my Bypass Harness routes inside the machine under the reel shelf with zip ties - I can very quickly do an optic swap.

Once the optics Molexs are swapped from the Bypass to the real optics, I closed the door, turned the key and voila!
[61-1] goes away!
Once the MPU booted up and the reels did their "maiden spins", I opened the door, swapped back to cherry switch Bypass, closed the door and I was immediately back in game mode?

What I learned is that somehow, a logic signal got stuck somewhere -
it doesn't necessarily have to do with "certain" chips.
See the similarities with this and the [61] or [61-1] loop?

Ok.

Truned off power.

Pulled out MPU and then pulled the Reel chip.

Put MUP back in with out reel chip and got error code 62-1.

Now im going to put reel chip back in and see what happends next...

Good. That is what you should have gotten. I am just hoping that maybe by forcing a different error it might help get it unstuck.

Be careful now...
with all this testing - you're liable to offhanded forget to turn off the power switch
when removing/installing the MPU.
God bless, I know I've done it!  :72-

Ok..

Turned off power

Pulled MPU

Put mack in reel chip

Put back in the MPU.

Still get the error 61..

The error 61 wont clear and let me go to the error 61-1 unless i pull the CMOS chip.

Well, looks like it's time for a clear chip. Just PM me if you want one.

I'm assuming pulling the CMOS again still didn't help.

just a queston..

What would happen i pulled the gam prom chip and did what i did with the reel chip?

Could it help??

It won't do anything (i.e. it will apear dead) since the game chip contains the main program.

Thank you all out there for all your help....

I know im a newbee on this stuff..

Thank you for taking your time to help out a newbee..

Ok..

I got the chips.... Thank you...

I put them in and cleard it....

I put the new chps in you sent me and they work...


Now it takes 3 coins and spins the reall

Now the hopper spins when i win but no coins come out and it gives me a 3300 error. hopper empty.. but is not empty

The coins just wont come out...

now trying to fix that..

Thank you all on here for your help...

Mark....

Check your PM.

There may be coins stuck behind the knife, or not enough coins in the hopper. The last 50 or so may not come out.

<edit> Since this is a slant top, you may have an elevator problem. I'm not that familiar with them, so someone else may have to chime in.

Here is a couple of pis of the hopper wheel..

some more of the hopper..

Maybe it's just my eyes playing tricks, but it looks like the pinwheel is on backwards. The nubs should be on the front so they can grab the coins. Also it looks like it may have too small of a shelf wheel for quarters. The wheel needs to be able to grab a coin from the  hopper and have it ride on the shelf wheel to the top.

<edit> After looking at the last picture the shelf wheel may be the right size.

yes your right.. i looked and your right...

the pins are on the back side... 

You will have to take off the knife and those three screw in the middle. Then flip it around (just the pinwheel).

fliped it around and it works now.....  :131-


thank you all... :3-

you guys are the best... :131-

 :244-'

Mark attached is the PSR for SP1271

Glad you got it working.  :3-

As an FYI to the others following this thread, since we never did figure out what game chip was in there, I went ahead and gave him a SP1271 (and a higher % reel chip) along with the clear chip. He also has the link to the 'common SP1271 settings' thread, so he should be good to go.

Good thread and great help for drfreeze.
Kudos+ for all!


My question is why in the heck would someone install a pinwheel backwards on a hopper?  :97-
That's like having a Camaro with bald tires in Alaska!

Bunker   That's only half the story, I too sent him a  package, same chips, but I included a SP1137 ( he said 1137 wouldn't work )    :208- :208-

The SP1137 really needs the SET086 to make it work.
Other SET chips won't get it going.
That's what I found out about those...

You Know, I knew that,  CRS strikes again.  I wonder what else I forgot to forget.

I forgot.   :97-

 :72- That's okay...you're forgiven and everybody still likes you!   :89- :96-

I forget simple &%$@ all the time!!  :97-

He has no BV, so would it matter?.

No Poppo, that chip needs the SET086 to use the "Montana Credits" options in order for it to work.
It's that special chip which allows you to drop all the coins you want into the machine
and they ALL go to the credit display.
You can skip the DBV option...

But that would only if you used that option right? Wouldn't it act like a regular SP normally?

Good question...I will try one with a TYPE 0 reel chip right now and see what comes up as "default".

I've had it in a couple on games, but this is no Bull Shit I forget what I did to get it to work.  I know when it was all said and done, the first 3 coins would go to game spin and any remainder coins you dropped in would increase the amount of credits that were on the machine.

I don't think you had to do much Buzz...
I just installed it for kicks and did NOT have to use the SET086 chip to get it going.

Okay, here are my results of installing an SP1137 chip into a machine with no DBV
and with a plain Type0 chip from a previously installed SP1271 chip.
I did not perform a Clear beforehand...>>>

I get a [61] in the Winner Paid window.
I press the Test button and get a [65-1], I press the Test button again and it clears, the display goes out momentarily
then comes back on with the reels doing their "maiden spin" with all the strip ends on the pay-line.
I close the door and the game is ready to play as the reels spin again to the strip ends on the pay-line.

However, all I can see is that the "Cash/Credit" button is not lit up so that means if I get a win of any kind -
the hopper will pay out all wins in coins/tokens.
That Credit button setting is defaulted to "non-credit" mode - it can be changed if needed.

Also, this is important! Any amount of coins I drop go to the display!
Because I have a 3 coin Type0 reel chip installed, the 1st three coins I drop go
towards the "MAX" bet and the rest accumulate in the display!
The SET086 is NOT needed!

I am wrong about this SP1137 needing the SET086 chip to use!
Thanks for posting the questions Poppo!  :89-
It forced me to look into this chip with more detail !

I made a short video clip to show this to you guys...>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbHKOOl3B74 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbHKOOl3B74)

The main board battery  has less than volts. Replace it and clear ram.

Better late than never.  :72- 
That was resolved 4 pages ago.

Maybe the battery died since then... :182-   



(ok ok... bad joke...where's the rimshot drums? )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI)