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I just received a second MPU and placed the two chips in it - SP731 and the reel chip SS6173.  When I place the board in the slot and turn it on I don't get any display on the front panel or spinning reels.  The reels are stiff and the bill validator does its thing for a few seconds. 

I put the original board in and it boots up and plays fine.  Since I am new to the S+ I don't know if I have to put in a special boot chip or something -

Any ideas? there doesn't seem to be that many options on an S+ board.

Thanks

No "61" or "65" code? For giggles, you might try pulling the CMOS chip and grounding out the pins to clear it. Just a thought.

PS: You should expect to see an error code because the data on the new MPU board won't match the data in the EEPROM on the motherboard.

No 61 or anything!  Should I try to put in the 15 clear chip?

Is the board seating well? If so, and if the chips you are using are known good, then I'd suspect that the MPU board might have an issue. I'd check the battery first, just to get that out of the way. Then I'll sign off and let the experts chime in. :72- :72-

btw, I'm sure you checked, but are the chips inserted the right way with the notches on the chips matching the notches on the sockets?

<ADD> One more thought. Any possibility that the new MPU board is a 16MHz and not a 10MHz?

I have an old machine that does exactly what you're talking about JD,
It's the white molex power connector that goes to the motherboard from the power supply.
The connectors female sockets are dry and oxidized...(like an old streetwalker) :81-
You need to shut off the machine's power, and use a bit of metal contact cleaner on the male pins that sprout out from the motherboard's header. If you dont have any contact cleaner, use some rough sandpaper in and around those particular pins.
I'm a little bold when I check this...I dont recommend it but this is what I do...
I pull up slightly on the wires that go to the motherboard from above and wiggle it upwards watching the display boards lights from behind the reel glass. You'll see the lights come on as you wiggle the molex upwards. That means the pins are oxidized.
Also, with power off, remove the white molex, turn it around and you may see the 2nd female socket brownish looking...that's the ground for one of the 12V wires arcing inside the molex-thus making the white molex brownish because of the arcing going on inside there.
Another fix is: buy a new power supply harness. However, it's only temporary because the problem usually lies with the oxidized male pins on the motherboard.

You should probably pick up a set of these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/IGT-S-Plus-CPU-clear-reset-Slot-chips-w-instructions-NR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a10Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem250363831202QQitemZ250363831202QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f0QQsalenotsupported (http://cgi.ebay.com/IGT-S-Plus-CPU-clear-reset-Slot-chips-w-instructions-NR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a10Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem250363831202QQitemZ250363831202QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f0QQsalenotsupported)

I am going to check out the connecter right now and see what happens

If it's working with your original board, I wouldn't suspect the power connector -- it sounds like an issue with the new MPU board.  As StatFreak said, is the new board seating well? 

HEY HEY HEY, YOU SHOULD POINT THEM IN THE DIRECTION OF A NLG VENDOR, COME ON NOW, WE ARE STARVING HERE, I AM FADING AWAY SO THIN THE WIND WILL BLOW ME AWAY IF I TURN SIDEWAYS

Blue - Do you have to run around in the shower to get wet?

Anyway I checked the connections and they are absolutely perfect - no oxidation - But I do think it was a problem with the board sitting properly -

Now when I put the board in and double checked for a perfect fit and turned the machine on the PLAY MAX CREDITS lights 1 short blink and 1 long blink then pause -

I thought ebay went wild because people were selling obvious copies of IGT eproms.. which those in that auction obviously are

No, I just lay down like a Flounder and then flop over, check your boards edge connector for bent pins

No bent pins  -  For kicks I plugged the hopper back in and when I turned the machine on it started to dispense quarters!  In the same sequence as the max bet light
1 short 1 long then pause

This is a 10mhz board with the blue volume knob on it correct?

Yes how did you know?

When you power the machine up are the reels stiff?

Yes the reels are stiff

Try another game prom and if that does not work try another reel prom.

That I can't do because I don't have any other games.  Maybe I'll put in the clear chip and see if that does something.  :103-

If your original board is still working, your game likely doesn't need to be cleared.  Is the board and/or chips you're using known to be good?

The original board is in and works fine.  I was just playing it for the past hour!  :97-
I purchased the other board from a vender on the site and if it's bad I know he will replace it.   The chips I got with a kit and have no way of knowing if they work.    I don't want to touch the working board because - it works and I want to keep it that way.

jd;

you stated in your post that you inserted the chips on the board. don't be offened by this but did you put them in the right place?  game or reel prom in U58,and the sp chip in U57 ??  and when you put them in did you check and see if one leg may have been bent during insertion, its easy to do and sometimes hard to detect,and we have all done that at some time. I would double check that, and also look at the chips to the right and left of these chips and make sure they are seated as well. something could have come loose during shipping.

Thanks   Jim   

Hi Jim- I double checked the chips and there are in the right spot and all is correct.  I did put in the set 15 chip and put the board in -
This time it I got a display 61!

Does this mean that the board is ok and the reel chip is dead?

You got a 61 with the clear chip?!  That's not right.

...or are you saying that after you did the clear, you put the new chips and the new board in and got a 61?  If so, press and hold the white self test button (next to the power switch) for a couple of seconds -- you should get a "ding" and the display should change to 61-1.  At that point, close the door, then turn the jackpot reset key and you should be in business.

Yeah I put in the clear chip booted up and got a 61.   I then took out the clear chip and put in the reel chip and got nothing...

Should I put the clear chip back in and then try the white self button?

Did you get the set chip and the new chips from the same vendor in the same order?

It sounds like the labels are switched.


<ADD> yes, put the chip that gets the 61 back into the machine, boot it up and press and hold the white test button for at least 3 seconds. If you hear a ding and the display reads 61 1, then close the door and turn the jackpot reset key. If the chip is mislabeled the reels should spin to the blanks with the seams and the game should be ready to play.

Let us know.

jd  are we talking about two different chips? you said you put the set 15 chip in and got a 61.  The set chip is only for enabling the bill acceptor. the clear chip is for clearing ram.

When you have the clear chip in as soon as you turn power on you should hear the ding, and then press the white button and you should see random numbers in your display counting up to 9999. two sets of numbers.

when you put the set chip in it does nothing until you press the white button. A 0 in the coins played and 90 in the winner paid indicates the bill acceptor is disabled. press spin button so the 0 changes to 1.

Press the test button and a 6 will be displayed in the coins played indicating the denomination in cents, press spin to change press test again and power down ,replace chip power up clear 61  61-1  reset key, program load then off to races.

jim
 
PS------lets just put the sp chip from your good board to the suspect board and see what happens ??? I have yet to mess up a board by switching chips!!

You should not get a 61 with a clear chip.  I'd agree that it sounds like your chips are not labeled correctly.

Yes, please try my suggestion. :89-  Put the chip that gives you the 61 into the machine, no matter what the label says.
If you get the 61 1 and the game reset as I described, my next step will be to walk you through the menu to the pay table test 4 to read the SS number.
If this suggestion doesn't work then we'll move on to another suggestion.

Stat - I took your suggestion  -  I put in the chip that gave me the 61 - I then pushed the white button and got 61 1  I then reset the jackpot and got a 0 in the credits played window with a blinking candle.   -  That's it - DEAD 

So the board had a SP731 chip and a SS reel chip installed.



Just for kicks I took out the working SP790 and SS reel chip from my other working board and put them in to see what happens.   I got the 61 then 61 1 then I got an error 68.  Terrified I quickly took those chips out - put them back in the known working board and thank goodness it still works fine. 

So now what do I do ?   

" Don't be terrified...it's okay really, you wont harm anything. All "code 68" means is that the machine is telling you that the reel (SS) eprom was "non-compatiable" to the Game (SP) eprom. To fix> You need to only put in a different SP chip. That's it! Don't be scared...

You chips are definitely mis-marked. The chip that's giving you the error 68 code is an actual reel chip.

Just to let everyone know this is where it stands now -  I put the SP731 and miss labeled SS chip in the new board and again got the
61.   I pushed the white button and got 61 1.  I then turned the jackpot key and got a 0 in the coins entered and a blinking candle.  From this point I can't do anything.

Just to be sure,
You MUST close the door after you get the 61-1 code and THEN turn the reset key.....okay?

Yes that is exactly what I did.  That got rid of the 61 1 and put a 0 in the coins played window and started the bottom candle light blinking.

Also,
SP731 is an older SP chip, It's a TYPE 0/1/4/5/12 chip and will only work with those type of games.
The SSchip you have may be a TYPE 2 nudging or Haywire type of chip....That's why you're getting a code 68 "non-compatiable" message.

Also, the SP731 chip needs only a SET005/015/017, I believe, if the mis-marked chip is a different SET chip, that could also explain the code 68 as well...


SeeWhat I mean?>>>dont worry...now all we need to do is find out what that mysterious chip is and you'll be on your way to exploring bold new frontiers!...lol?

I got the two as part of a black cherry game kit - the sp731 and ss6173

okay, lemme check on the SS6173...be right back

Is this your game?

Sounds normal. Did you try putting a coin in?

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<ADD> I just read the last posts, but I thought I'd post this anyway. Follow stayouttadabunker first, but consider this:


Good. So you tried my suggestion and then Jim's.


I believe we're dealing with multiple issues. First, I think your new board is bad.
I say this because you stated that putting the known good chips into the new MPU board into the same machine produced a 68 error. 68 is the error for an invalid data EPROM, not for a game change. That's error 67. Since you know that those chips work in the same machine with a different MPU board, it should be the board by process of elimination.


So far we have:
A mis-labeled clear chip that gives you a 61 and 61 1. So it's a reel chip. It may be okay or not.
A second chip that is labeled a reel chip whose function is in question (but it might be a clear or set chip)
A new MPU board that is most likely bad.

Have you tried using the mis-labeled chip that gives you the 61 code in the known good MPU board with the known good SP731 in the same machine? Before doing this, there is a caveat. If it produces a game change and you step through the errors to clear them and bring up the new game, you will disable your bill validator.
Do you have a good set chip to turn it back on?

Good.  Put a coin in and press spin.  :)

First I really REALLY want to thank everyone for their help especially StayOut -   :131-

He walked me through taking out the chips from the working board and placing them into the new board and starting it up.  We got it to work!!  So now it is confirmed that both boards work!

So the question is now can SP731 work with SS6173   -  and my guess is no because they don't!   
I guess it could be either chip that is bad too.

Yes, the 731 will work with the Black Cherry chip you have, you just have bad software or mismarked stuff

 :105-  :92-


SS6173 should work with the SP731. It is a type 5 game. Here is the PAR sheet for it.

So what about the other (set? clear?) chip? Did you figure out what it was and if it works?

Now that you know what's what, don't forget to correctly label your chips!  :71- :71- :79-


<EDIT> Jim (Blueridge), you beat me to the punch. :96-

haha,stat,
you beat me to giving him a PSR after I just finished begging him to give a small donation to this website so we can pay the cable bill!!!! :96-
Anyways, I dont know of a way to ID that chip (Other than sticking it in a reader/burner) because he couldnt get it to go into the test mode mode with that mystery chip in it.

ADD>>> I keep typing the same words over and over...I wonder what that that means?

It means you need sleeeeep...  :149-  :79-  Sleeeeeeep.  :79-  :149- :149- :149- Your eyes are getting heavy-eeee... You want to log off....  :21- :21- :21- :21-

I did fall asleep!  Donation made!!

:72- :72- :72- :72- :72- :72-
Looks like we both slept for the same amount of time. :5- :5-

On behalf of NLG, thank you for the donation. :3- :3- :3-

The reel chip was definitely bad.  BlueRidge sent me a new chip and the board booted up just fine with the SP731 game.

 :136- :136-

Thanks for the update. Glad to hear you're up and running. :71- :71-