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Sponsors-Links:  We have 3 open spots.. we need to fill......  any input and suggestions are welcome....   :79- :79- :79-


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How about Junkman1? :79- :79- :79-

SLOTMASTER is out of business.  So you may have 4 if that spot in not included.

Not a lot of business members to recommend :103- The couple I can think of haven't bothered to use this site for anything more than free advertising

I just found that out to day... I live in the dark at times  :hide1- :hide4- :hide2- :hide3- yes he is one of the 3...  :)

Here is a link for others to read about it.

http://www.law360.com/articles/471270/slots-dealer-pays-3m-to-settle-casino-game-copyright-suit (http://www.law360.com/articles/471270/slots-dealer-pays-3m-to-settle-casino-game-copyright-suit)

Joey  The only one that I can recommend would be John many numbers sometimes called rudysdeals  http://rudysdeals.com/ John has been on here a long time and helped a lot of people.
 :wtf1- I'm making this sound like John needs to hire me as one of his sellsmen.

I don't see anything wrong with having some blank spots on the vendors list. Right now I can recomend each and everyone up there. But I don't think this should be up to a vote, this has always been your thing and I think that's the way I like it.  ( If there is a F/U Joey did it )

I'm with Buzz on the fact that John (Rudy's) would be one of the sponsors.
Is Fannini Slot one too? The link just brings you back to the home page.


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I also concur with Rudy's!     :205- :331-

it's not a vote thing as much as wanting your input as to who stands out to you as a all around help the the our NLG family....   :20- :20- :20-   :103- :103- :103-

I'll second John at Rudy's Deals.

Yep, John would be a no brainer.  Good people.

Jason

Going left on this how about Scotts Vegas Lights.

How about Leisure Time Slots LLC  dba Azslot.com ? We're a family owned buisness located in Phoenix Arizona. Going into third year at our expanded warehouse location.  We take great pride in servicing all of our customers to include quality slot machine sales along with the parts and service. I can't think of any members here who would not vouch for us. 

Stephanie and Randy  602-606-2400

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I'm for John @ Rudy's.

Joey, I know the guidelines are not set in stone, but can we re-visit what warrants a spot in the Sponsor section?

FYI: To all members wanting or recommend a dealer or shop for inclusion to the Sponsors-Links-box...
We have no problem with you promoting, selling your goods, or marketing your business on NLG....
As you have proven yourself and your business as a great team player and member of NLG...
With your willingness to help new users with your time, skills and knowledge of ammusment games.
 
As it says in the Sponsors-Links-box....  :81- :81-

Banner Ad Space on NLG is NOT For Sale. All Banner ads are given by NLG
To Trusted Members in Good Standing Within our NLG Community.

1. Links: (http://www.newlifegames.net/images/1nlg.gif)

We do however ask that you place this NLG's Forum link some where on your (Main page..) "not buried in a back page link" and help promote the forum.
We understand some will not want to place a link on their page as they think it's competition and do not want to promote other shops.. Your promote the forum.!!!
We understand this but please remember We here at The NLG shop... "Yes we too sell games.."  and are promoting your site. So think of it as a link exchange.


2. Profile Phone #  :30- :30-

Your profile must be filled out.. with your phone # "yes I get calls here at the NLG shop looking for other vendors ???"
New customers want to know who they are dealing with and how to get in contact with you.. 


3. Willingness to help new users..  :186- :186-

Yes time is $$$ but your Willingness to help new users.. and answser that "slide to replace coin questions"
is what makes your NLG forum the #1 site on the net...  and makes NLG members want to do business with you and your shop. a win win for all involved..  :3- :3- :3-



This is just off the top of my head if you the "NLG Members" have any other concerns or suggestions..
speak up or forever hold your piece.......  That's your cue Buzz LMAO!!!!!   :178- :210- :210- :210- :178-

I'd definitely recommend Randy and Stephanie at AZSlots. They have been very helpful and treated me like an old friend the couple times I visited their house hunting for parts :3-

I hate to say this but with requirement number 3 only a few of the venders even bother to help out.  The rest of them either do nothing or respond to a WTB ad if they think they can sell something.

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Thanks Buzz, I needed that

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Interesting point.  Does that mean Joey, Moderators, et. al., should also make a known and active presence on the vendors site quid pro quo?  I would think # 1 has more weight to override # 3?  After all, they're both advertising each other.  Don't get me wrong ... I appreciate that vendors do help out with their vast knowledge, like Bettor Slots, CVSlots, and Blueridge (just to name a few) and wouldn't remove that as a requirement, maybe just not as critical as # 1 and # 2?

:Dave

I agree with you but just pointing out that 3 appears to be pretty meaningless and if it were a true requirement then I don't think Rudy's Deals and LeisureTimesSlots would not quality either  BTW, you just named the only 3 that I can think that try to help out. 

Rob (Cowboy Games) Thanks for the Kudos. We outgrew the house and building you visited several years back. The warehouse has now exceeded it's limits and it looks like we need more space! See attached pics. Also, we still have Irving the Azslot duck mascot and he has 4 brothers to keep him company. I'll upload some pics of the birds on our profile. Again, Thanks - Randy

More pics of Az shop and front show room. The shop has grown as a result of doing buisness the good old fashioned way - customer service.

Good job Randy, that RWB machine with the arched marque over it is a sweet setup :3-

as to # 3 the help it does not have to be on the forum as a post to count..  :79- :79- :79-

say as if you give them a call are they willing to answer your questions and help out even if you got the game say from a garage sale ???  :103- :103- :103-

This is where word of mouth comes in...   :89- :89- :89-  What do you the members of NLG Think and how where you treated by said vender ?????   :47- :47- :47-

users with ebay sites are exempt from rule #1 as ebay will not allow links to external sites.......   :25- :25- :25-

Links to social media sites are still allowed in your "About ME" pages on eBay with a couple of minor restrictions but this assumes the account holder has set up a ME page. Would this site qualify as social media?

How about raz410 for the third spot? http://stores.ebay.com/RAZ410-SLOT-MACHINE-PARTS

Bob has always sold me great parts at a fair price with super-fast shipping.

Steve

 :331-  PLUS HE GAVE ME A LOT OF HELP OVER PHONE.  He always has time to help you if he can.

we now have 4 open spots foxslots called it quits and asked to have his banner and user account remove..   :25- :25- :25-

Joey, hope you find room for Raz.  He's one of the good guys.

Looks like so far we have....    :3- :3- :3- :3-

Jim MIDWEST SLOTS
Ohio River Slots.
Rudy's Deals.
Scotts Vegas Lights.
Leisure Time Slots LLC  dba Azslot.com
raz410

any other suggestions ????  and are the 4 so far willing to do a link exchange??

if so the banner we need form them is 125 x 49 as to fit into the Sponsors-Links: box see test image it can be gif or jpeg.
and we need the link you want it to go to www.your-site.com
(http://[url=http://www.newlifegames.net/images/newnlg.jpg]http://www.newlifegames.net/images/newnlg.jpg[/url])
(http://www.newlifegames.net/images/newnlg.jpg)

the banner for your site can be linked from: http://www.newlifegames.net/images/1nlg.gif

or just copy this image..

(http://www.newlifegames.net/images/1nlg.gif)

 :81- :81- Any spots not filled by the 22 will be put back out as available..  :58- :58-

Before the question is ask I'm going to ans. how Jim's ( Midwest Slots ) name got on the list. Pretty simple really, it was my phone call to Joey.

 For quite a number of years I've been impressed with the knowledge and the help that Jim has always shared with this forum. A few months back Stat Freak and I met with Jim in Vegas and I was also impressed with Jim as a person. Go back a few years, Jim was in Laughlin and wanted to meet Joey, so he catches the boat across the river to the Arizona side and walks a couple of miles in the Arizona heat to the command center, just to meet Joey.

I've said all I need to say, sorry Joey I'll return to my " shut up " phase

The list looks good to me. Buzz, good job thinking of Jim. :3-


Right. That'll last all of five minutes...  :58- :58- :208- :208- :208-

My two cents ... I can personally vouch for ...

Rudy's Deals
Scott's Vegas Lights
raz410

... have done business with them all and have had consistently excellent results!

btw ... no offense to the others ... just haven't bought anything from you.  You've probably helped me in the past though.  If you did, thank you!  :-)

Absolutely!!!

I too have had nothing but great dealings with Rudy.s and Raz410. Raz410 has always been a big help to me more than just his great  parts at great prices. He is always there to help out whenever I have needed it. Scott

My personal experiences all with outstanding performances.
In no particular order.....



Jim MIDWEST SLOTS
Rudy's Deals.
raz410
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can we get a list of links the the sites  :103- :103- thanks Joeylc  :61-

raz410 = http://stores.ebay.com/RAZ410-SLOT-MACHINE-PARTS
Rudy's = http://www.rudysdeals.com/

My vote goes to LeisureTimeSlots  aka AZ Slots. Randy will be a great addition to this site.


Also John Haas Rudy's Deals. Great guy with several contacts.


Yes and Raz410 too. Bob helps so many also.

But the only problem is, It's not up to a vote !!!! ( see reply #9 )   I personally think Joey made a mistake by starting this thread, but it's Joey's site and Joey's mistake. He was looking for ideas and I think he has them by now. OK he has two spots open and your reconmending three Vendors to fill them, so I ask you who does he get to piss off. Me I would leave both on them blank and piss off no one.

Joey I ask you this, why are the banner ads FREE ??  You don't have to answer that I know why, it's because you are who you are. Put me in charge of the banner ads, they pay up are they are gone, it's a tax write off for them anyway. ( advertising ) I'll buy the first banner just as long as it's put up the way I want. Two words and one picture. First word ( small)  Buzz they a picture of a middle finger, then (large letters) the word OBAMA.

Hell I'm getting on a roll, might as well see how many others I can piss off.  Why is this site FREE for any members ?? I've talked to Stat Freak about this and he doesn't agree with me, but then again David and I don't agree on much of anything. I'm in favor of the first 90 days free and after that five dollars a month on 50 dollars a year dues. If a fellow can't afford five dollars a month, then he can't afford to own a slot machine.

I don't under stand  how 1 vendor has 2 spots

That's the whole point Stave, it's not up to you to understand. It's a "nunyaa"  which means "it's none of your F***ing business"  I'm sure if you want to make a offer for the site Joey can maybe come up with a price, until that time it's Joey's site and he can give as many spots to anyone he wants to.

Sorry I used the word "Vote" Not even sure how many look at the Banner's. Buzz, sorry I got you all fired up. We all have problems with how our country is being run, but this is NLG. A fun place to come and help fellow members, collectors or even those dumb as rocks. I saw the post for 4 spots and thought if opinion mattered what the heck. Again, I didn't mean to pee in your Fruit Loops and I appreciate all the help you have given me. TCB Elvis

Buzz I am 1/2 way down the middle.....

Given the traffic this site generates Joey should be partnering with 1click or similar entity and getting cash for use of a top page / bottom page banner - using borders and such he could separate this from the regular NLG content. Then continue to offer free banners to the folks he chooses to offer them too. One does not exclude the other.

I also think Joey should monitize and provide a portal to sell machines, parts, accessories and stuff on line. Any one "authorized to sell" could then list their for sale items and joey would receive a %% of what was sold. My thoughts is that the seller would remain anonymous to the users making this a level vehicle for anyone to sell. SO if Joey or others wanted to sell something and not have it compete with his bricks and mortar shop or similar this would again be neutral territory.

Finally I have no problems with a free community but could see having only the most recent 3-5 posts of any thread available to non-contributing members and unlocking the remainder of the forum along with search features to contributing members. I am also fond of different levels of recognition.
Full Member = contribution of $x, Supporting Member = contribution of $y, Benifactor = contribution of $z, Lifetime member = priceless
I am not suggesting that contributing more would = more but it would recognise those who make a difference.

Jay for you and I to agree on anything, it's going to be a good year. " Thank You "

It just burns my butt to see him trying to scratch a living out of a dieing slot shot when he has this forum and the ability to turn it around to his advantage. I could write a book here but why. Bottom line is there ard a bunch of cheap folks on this forum and nothing is going to change. Make one 25 dollar donation and they are good for life. I've learned a ton of information from this forum and 50/60 dollars a year would be cheap tuition for Slot 101

Here are my thoughts, out of order.

1. That second idea for a selling portal is interesting. I have some issues with anonymity, however. Transactions will inevitably have friction. Who handles that? Will Joey have to run interference when one of the "pre-authorized anonymous sellers" fails to deliver or is otherwise in conflict with a buyer?

I do agree that Joey should be charging a fee or collecting a percentage for items sold here, but it might be better done using straight classified ads.


2. No one likes to look at outside banner ads, but they are a fact of life on the free internet, since nothing in this world is free. We are a nation of consumers who have grown up expecting free entertainment and who expect to "pay" for it by being forced to watch advertising. (Don't get me started on paying for TV only to then still be bombarded with ads.)

In short, I agree with you regarding 1-click or other banner advertising. The site has enough traffic to generate income and to be of interest to advertisers. We might want to try to attract banner ads that offer things of interest to our membership. Members here tend to be interested in electronics, computers, amateur radio, recreational vehicles (including ATV's bikes, cars, trucks, etc.), leisure travel, guns, and several other hobbies, including slots. :96-

3. I'm with Joey. The site should remain free to members. (They'll be paying by providing a base to advertise to, just as with most free services.) It's also a better move if he is going to implement either of the above suggestions because traffic and page hits determine banner pricing, and more visitors means more sales in the classifieds.

My ramblings around the anonoymous aspect was to the fact that many of our vendors have brick and mortar stores and/or another online presence either through their own web site or Ebay.

So while a shiny S+ may go for $1340 in a retail shop this particular community would probably not be willing to pay more than $350 for the same unit.
Don't get me wrong - it takes blood sweat and tears to shop out a machine, plus storage, plus time on the floor plus electricity, rent etc... - I am not begruding anyone a profit or the ability to eek out a living especially when this may be their sole source of income.

What I was suggesting is that we have pre-qualified vendors who could sell at any price (presumeably lower) to NLG members without impacting their other sales mediums.

What used to burn my chops is when I went into Future Shop (a canadian clone of bestbuy) and saw "on the floor" prices that were higher (signficantly so) then their web price.
One of the kids there gave me a bit of insight that this then gave them the lattitude to deal on the price, or throw product in like a $49 HDMI cable to close the deal. He also alluded that instore customers were work (labor cost, comission, etc) while the web site just churned money.

I was thinking that the commerce part would flow though NLG - so Joey gets his $ first with the balance going to the vendor once the deal is cleanly closed.

Everything you're saying makes sense but my question stands. Who would handle disputes, complaints, lost/damaged/never delivered product, etc.? If the vendor walks away from the deal I envision Joey taking the loss in the middle (same outcome if the customer ends up owning extra money for some reason and fails to pay), as well as having to handle (or at least broker) heat from both sides in any deal that doesn't go smoothly.

Why can't we just exclude Joey/NLG from liability all together? Want to sell an item? The cost is $x.xx for a X number of days. Flat fee, or fee based on price (preferable, and probably most logical). The fee is paid to NLG regardless of wether it sells or not. Take advantage of PayPals system and use it as the payment method. Payment made directly to seller by buyer via PayPal. Any disputes, bitches, complaints? Use PayPals Resolution process. We could even keep the current Classifieds section as free, and then add a longer running Paid Ad section.

HUH   :103- :103- I can see a sure cluster F*** in the making !!  wonder who is going to volunteer to take care of all the book work this is going to generate ??

I know the ansewer to this but still, why are the banner ads free ??  If there was a fee imposed for the banners, how many of the vendors would keep theirs ?? After all the Banner is advertising isn't it and isn't advertising a tax write off !! Joey you would be doing those vendors a favor by charging them and keeping them out of a higher tax bracket.

Hey Boss I just got the best idea I've had this year. Seems like some folks don't like my idea of monthly dues to stay active on this forum, shame on me for expecting the folks that use this site to actually pay for the privilege. How about every month you post a list of the donations you received for the previous month listing the members name and the amount of the donation ?? Better yet if possible, in each persons avatar put the date and how must they donated. ( Damn I like that idea ) If it's possible I'll even do it for you, just as long as I don't get a RED shirt !!

Dem's don't like red ?  :208-

I don't see a cluster there at all. NLG is simply listing the ad and is not responsible for anything. The money would pass from buyer to seller direct, not through NLG. You wouldn't get pissed off at Craigslist or the newspaper when you buy from their classifieds, would you? I HEREBY VOLUNTEER!!!!!  It could just be a flat fee to list based on value, no final value fee at the end like eBay does. Selling something for $50? Gonna cost you $2.00, or whatever. Set up a separate PayPal acct to collect the listing fees for ease of bookkeeping. I'm sure one of you guys (well, maybe not me or Buzz, but someone could I'm sure) could set up some little automatic deal that made you pay at the time you posted the ad.

Fees on banners? Excellent idea! I would still support the concept of voting them in though, we don't want it clogged up with a bunch of BS vendors. Wow, if you think about that one, its kinda funny. "You've been chosen for a sponsor spot on NLG, now here's your bill!"  :72-

I also support the idea of limiting the number of posts someone can post before becoming a contributing member. I think it should be limited to maybe 5 or 10?

Neither do BULLS, and a Red car is safer than many other colors!!   :103- :103- And Fireman have bigger balls than Policeman.   :114- :114- :114-

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Let me see if I can get this clear. Say you have a kit you want to sell for XX number of dollars, you will pay a percentage or what ever for the listing, BUT if a individual has a FREE banner ad that  individual pays nothing !!  ( It's rare if someone with a banner to list something for sale ) Or how about the sales handled via PMs, no listing NO sale. " cluster f*** "

Went through this before, there is only one vote for a banner ad and Roz you or I aren't the ones that cast that vote !!Your words hot mine "clogged up with a bunch of BS vendors.\" I say bring on the BS vendors if they have to pay for a ad.

Oh I know I'm wasting my time on this subject but what the hell, I'm asking each and everyone of you to donate five bucks a month to the NLGs. Now you ask will folks listen, I don't think so. Why pay when you can get something for free. Just remember this old Bastard told you, if Joey closes the doors this site is gone, like finished, like no more !!

Talked to Joey today and he is going to furnish a list of each months denotations, who and how much.  I'll stay on his ass each and every month until I see that list and that list will be posted. Then we can all see who the cheap folks and who pays their fair share..



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Dave's psychic predictions and psycho opinions ...

Prediction # 1: If you charge a fee for selling on NLG, then people will simply sell elsewhere, like Craig's List or simply direct PM.  I just don't think that can possibly work without becoming an Ebay.

Prediction # 2: Charging to become a member would cause newbies to drop significantly.  I think chatter in general would drop because the two frequently used areas are the Classifieds and newbies seeking help.  That would leave just classifieds and the occasional insanity rants from Buzz (isn't that the name of your thread).

Opinion # 1: I think the annual Bettor Slots giveaway is a great way to muster up annual funds.  One ticket is 5 months worth of $5 a month, so make it a $60 buy-in and you've got a year's coverage.

Opinion # 2: Joey is noticeably absent from these discussions.  Given that it's his site and his money and the fact that Joey doesn't strike me as a shy fella, why isn't he speaking up?  Curious, do other popular forums routinely charge their members?

   

Well, point taken, touché (if you're into that. I'm not personally). I do think sponsors should be reminded to donate (I know I forget all the time). However, we need to keep this slot related. We need to keep the sponsors slot-related (or at least I, as a viewer/member/whatever, I  dont want to see ads for cell phone coverage, home security, home loans, etc. Am I saying it should be free? Hell no, I value this site and value the site spot we have! Charge me whatever you think is fair, $10, 20, 40/month. If I think it's worth it, I will stay. If not, I will go elsewhere (where is kind of up for debate, as NLG is pretty much tops for our niche/addiction/fetish).

I have no problem paying monthly for the for the sponsor spot to support the site. My issue is with the "member"  who has 40-50 posts with no contributions. I really believe that only contributing members should have access to the archives. We've resolved 99% of every problem ion the S+ and S2000 platform. That in itself, is PRICELESS!!!

We need to remember not only do we attract home-enthusiasts, but we also attract "entrepreneurs"...cough cough....




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No they don't. I'm an active member of six forums and only one (the smallest, ironically) just recently instituted a pay-for-use policy, and it was not so much for income as it was to try to keep out certain elements who were being disruptive. The site lost a lot of members when they did that. Now it's mostly a "good ol' boys" club since it was mostly the senior posters/long time members who were willing to pay to keep their relationships/banter/whatever.

I'm not sure I'm going to stay there in the long run because that forum's main purpose is at odds with public viewing* so it's hard to get any help or real information there unless one has made enough friends to get private help. I was slowly working on that but paying by the month for the privilege isn't exactly floating my boat. I'm sure there's a private area since every forum has one, but I'm not in it.

*It's still a public forum despite the cost, since anyone can join.

I still believe that Joey would do better to leverage our site traffic by selling click through ads and possibly charging for our banner ads, rather than charging members and cutting site traffic.


BTW, selling the banner ads doesn't mean that Joey can't keep control of who gets an ad. It can remain by invitation only. The only difference would be that it would then be up to the vendor as to whether or not they wanted to pay for the ad or not. If not, then no ad. If John Doe wanted to pay for an ad, Joey could still say, "No."

Monetizing the banner ads does not require open access to them.

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<ADD> Monetizing the classified ads is certainly doable. However, I tend to agree with 4 deuces that many would just use Craigslist instead. If we tried to restrict posts directing people to those Craigslist ads, we'd be opening up a proverbial can of worms and create a policing nightmare; if not, then members would still benefit from NLG's traffic to steer people to their Craigslist ads for nothing.

Of course, fewer classifieds would significantly reduce bandwidth since they account for so much of our activity now. That could be a plus. As far as PMs were concerned, the fee would be charged to place the post in the first place, so an offline transaction wouldn't get the seller out of paying the fee unless it was entirely private, and that would be fine. No mass exposure: no fee. Once again though, we'd end up policing all of the non-classified threads constantly looking for posts that were trying to avoid the fee.


One more thing that tends to be forgotten and in fact, isn't even known by most here, is that Newlifegames has a mission statement. Joey started this site back in 2005 because of the refusal of that "other" slot tech forum's members to help non-pros and because they restricted access to manuals and other information. He wanted to create a site that was open to everyone, that would answer every question and that would freely share information.

Whole thread here is about this--- :148- :56-.  Much and many input.  The owner will decide what is correct I am sure.  Just keep beating a dead dog here as a fig. of speach. 

Of course it's all Joey's decision. :89-   But that doesn't mean he won't read this thread. It's never a bad thing to discuss opposing points of view and to consider a problem from several different perspectives, no matter who does the debating and who does the deciding.  :200-

David  I don't see any reason the repeat what I've already said. You and I talked about this very thing a few years ago, you haven't changed your mind and I haven't changed mine. Botton line is we can have a "Free " forum or maybe " No " forum !!!!!!

I can't hardly wait for the first list to come out on who donated what.  I've only got three days to get mine in so I make the first list.

I can tell you my name will not be on that list as I have not donated in a while. All of my recent donations have been by the way of sending free parts and shipping to members and asking them to make a donation to the site.

Buzz, on the home page, the site's solicitation states, "If you find this site helpful, Please Consider makeing a Donation To help defray the cost of hosting and bandwidth.  Thank You !!"  If you post donations in an attempt to shame people into donating without consideration of those who donate in other ways (as NeonKiss stated above), then you might as well change the site solicitation to read, "Please consider donating on a monthly basis.  If you don't, your name will be posted for everyone to see how much you don't donate on a monthly basis.  Thank you."

Maybe you could divide the number of posts by their donations to calculate their contribute by posts?

That's opinion # 3.   :96-

I have option #4.

Buzz can start his own site and charge whatever he likes.  :79-  >:D

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David THAT really pisses me off that you could say something like that.

 I'll tell you what I'll match you dollar for dollar any amount you wish to donate, services for services rendered, I've got you covered there to.

 :wtf1- Do you think I get a percentage of all donations ?? I see a fellow here that had a idea 9 years ago, and I see a way for that fellow to make ends meet and I become the bad guy.

C'mon Buzz, you've always been the bad guy!   :72-  It's a tough job, but someone's gotta do it and you do it so well and we all like you for it. 

Don't worry.  I don't think you'll be the bad guy for long.  As soon as I send that spam email again this year asking everyone to donate $25 for the Bettor Slots giveaway, my Karma will drop faster than Clinton's pants in the white house!
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:Dave

Speaking of the Great Giveaway, I'm already working on trivia questions to have some fun and keep the chatter going. I think we're gonna giveaway 2 entires per week, but it depends on how many questions I can come up with.

Well, Joey told me this morning that you were mad at me, but not really, so now I guess it's official. (See, I can stir the pot with the best of 'em.)

No, I'm not suggesting anything of the kind. I know you donate more than probably any other member on the site. I'm saying that you're trying to impose your own set of values that differ from Joey's and at the end of the day, it's his site and his decision to make, not yours or mine. He's not going to charge members for the use of NLG. I'd tell you to ask him yourself, but you already know it.


<ADD> And you and I actually agree (OMG) that Joey should be making some money from all the work he put into this, which is why I've been suggesting charging the vendors for the banner ads while still preserving the restrictions on who gets them, and possibly trying to figure out other ways of generating revenue.

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Buzz, you know you love stirring the pot and being the bad guy, but you can't have all the fun.

So, I know I'm not alone in wondering this, so WTH, I'll ask the question! Just how much, annually, would be a fair donation? Im sure there's members that contribute $5, and there's members who contribute $100s each year, and every ones financial situation and level of help/support they receive from the site differ, but what are we talking here as a fair amount? AGAIN, I am SURE I am not the only one wondering what the "appropriate" amount would be.  :103- :103-

 :331-  Thank you for asking.  If Buzz was going to post donations, then I was going to ask for a balance sheet from Joey showing the NLG budget so I could determine an appropriate amount.   :96-

Another question, is it a members privilege to pay to post their knowledge for someone?  Or is the solution they're posting constitute as a donation?  We have some incredibly knowledgeable folks here providing information that I would certainly pay for, but should they be paying to give it?  That was feedback I got last year when spamming everyone.  Some contributions may not be monetary, but have a greater value in their content. 

Dave the simple truth is this site has a WHOLE bunch of vary very cheap folks all so known as " free loaders " You would think that most of our members live in the slums and by donating a few bucks they won't be able to eat next week. Google some of the members address ( I have ) and tell me what you see.

OK take the drawing, last year we had around (4000) members, do you know how many had tickets ?? 101 that's how many. Really a huge turn out don't you think !!  :103- :103- You can't even get these cheap people to turn loose of a few bucks by offering them a chance to win a nice machine. I buy at least 4 tickets each year, why, to win a machine?  Hell I can go buy a machine for less money.

Sure David I know nothing will change, I'm old but not delusional. I've ask for the world here, 5 dollars a month or fifty dollars a year from each and every member. $4.17 a month, damn I should be horse whipped.   :103- :103- I gotta wonder David if the shoe was on the other foot in what order you would be pushing those keyboard keys ??

Roz I don't know, but anything is better than nothing !! I don't mean to say that I think you donate nothing, I don't know who does what. I picked 5 dollars a month out of the air as I know most members donate nothing. I think a rule of thumb would be if you can't afford to send anything that would be OK. ./

 :331-  Thank you for asking.  If Buzz was going to post donations, then I was going to ask for a balance sheet from Joey showing the NLG budget so I could determine an appropriate amount.   :96-

Another question, is it a members privilege to pay to post their knowledge for someone?  Or is the solution they're posting constitute as a donation?  We have some incredibly knowledgeable folks here providing information that I would certainly pay for, but should they be paying to give it?  That was feedback I got last year when spamming everyone.  Some contributions may not be monetary, but have a greater value in their content. 
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  Dave Tell you what, donate half what I donate in services and money and you will be in very good standings in my book. If you want to know the amount, I'll send you a PM .

This reminds me of Buzz.  :262-
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