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What's the best way to install an S+ game into and S2000?
For example: I'd like to put a 3CM Double Bucks in maybe using an SP1271 perhaps?
What specific chip speeds are needed (ns)?
Which sockets?
Do I put both SS and SP chips in?
What options are available in the settings?
Do I need certain SET chips to enable settings?
Basically, what is involved?
Has anyone really made some type of a "set-up" sheet
as to how to perform this?

I think it was done and there is a table somewhere on this site...........I know it said that you had to use the faster chips, the 10mhz chips would not work

Just use the S+ reel chip,which needs to be 120ns or better and change the SB chip to SB 10000 (give or take a few 0  :72-)
The reel chip goes in U17. The reel chip is a 28 pin and the socket is a 32,just put it at the bottom and  use your 17 or 31 key.

You will need to use SB001000 and then your SS chip in the BT1 (U17). The SB001000 replaces the S+ Game Prom.

I guess you could do it but playing an S+ game on an S2000 is like using a 747 jet engine to toast a piece of bread :97-

Make sure you get the placement of the SS chip correct. It will be installed with the notch closest to the notch on the socket, so the extra holes in the socket are at the non-notched end.

Actually, the sound experience is much better on the S2000 if you have the correct sound SIMM in the MMLB2 board. Especially good are the titles that have special sound effects like Haywire Deluxe.

I had my HD kit in my S+, and after I tried it in the S2000/Vision, I'll never put it back in the S+ cabinet again. :89-

The SS chip must be installed with both notches lined up but with the chip at the bottom of the socket (the notched end being the top) just like you would when placing in a chip programmer

The S+ Haywire themes are nicer in the Vision/S2000
 

Is this true for any playable S+ theme?

Thank you very much guys...the responses are top-notch!  :131-
I had never done this before so I'm kinda of excited to try my HD in the S2000 machine.
I DO have the DD Haywire sound card for the MML piggyback board.
This ought to be a new experience for me.

Sweet! You're gonna love it... :89- :5-

Which part? I think pretty much everything that's been said here is true...

Without the MMLB2, it sounds just like an S+.

The reason I ask is that I thought that on the list of games there were some that were not playable on the S2000 platform, don't know the names offhand. Wish we could find that table.........

A very smart member pointed out to me in a PM the differences between reply #5 and reply #7.
Which one is correct?
I don't feel like corrupting/burning out my valuable chips!  :96-

Please..........spare me Stout! You have a burner!

  :97- I know...but, but... :208-

okay, okay, It's possible I don't want to hurt any other board components on my MPU board... :200-
okay, I'll look it up in a S2000 manual somewhere...lol

I actually would like to get the proper S+ chips for the 3CM single payline RWB and try that in my S2000. Like SS3281....

When I try my S+ chips in my S2000's I get all LEDS lit except the red blinking one. Does that mean chips aren't fast enough?

It would appear so...............

No - that's not right.  When the S+ chips are not fast enough, the machine will still start to bootup and you will see the normal messages on the VFD, but then you will get errors.  So if you are not seeing the VFD messages....something else is wrong...

Dan #2

I'm going to try the SST27SF512's after supper and see how it goes>>>

http://ca.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=SST27SF512 (http://ca.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=SST27SF512)

I've located the SS chip placement In A S2000>>>

I think I'll stick with S2000 kits ;)

#7 and using a 27C64 120NS or faster.

Stout I couldnt find my copy of that image.
but I have it now.

I have also used 27c512 or 27sf512 without any offset.
The Vision or S2000 MPU's handle the logic levels at the chip differently
I have accidentally put SS chips in backwards and no damage to either MPU or chip

The SST27SF512's I have are rewritable...awesome!
But, are they fast enough?
They're at 70ns (nano seconds)
Ohio says I need 120ns...which is "faster"?
Will my 70ns chips work?

70 is faster than 120.

1 nanosecond is faster than 2 nanoseconds.

Thanks Knagl!
A burnin' here we go!  A burnin' here we go!  Hi - Ho,  the cherry-O,  a burnin' here we go... :91-

So, than smaller the "ns" -  the faster they are...?
Thank you for the offer coorslight! :3-
But I think I'm alright with the ones I have at 70ns. :128-

The number is the access time or read time it takes to read the info from the chip.

I guess to finalize this topic...what is the best choice of SB needed to compliment the DD SS chip?
Or is the SB000100 the "only" choice?
And, would a ST M27C801 at 100ns be the appropriate device (eprom) for the SB?

SB1000 is the only base chip that'll play S+ games for some odd reason, you'd think they all would

SB001000 is the only option I've ever heard of.

27C801 is 1Mx8, the S2000 docs specify U21 (the base chip) as 256kx16, like a 27C4096. 27C801 is 32 pins, the 27C4096 has 40 pins. You might have an issue using the 27C801 for the Stepper Base chip.

Great responses men!
This thread will certainly help others that might want to tinker with their S2000's. :89-

Bill is correct that you would use a 27C4096 or 27C4002 for the (SB) base chip. It is a 40 PIN chip, and it is also a 16 BIT chip, so a lot of programmers need an adapter to program it.

Also the SB001000 is the only Base chip that will allow you to run S+ SS chips.

CaptainHappy :95-

As a child I was told if you tinker around too much it'll fall off.... or at least that's what the guy at church camp told me when we were playing naked hide and seek

Luckily I have one last 27C4002 chip left and I will try that tonight and post results...
maybe even a video or full-length cinema movie... :96-
get your popcorn ready... :20-

Brian,

SO... It would not fall off if he tinkered with it though?  :200- :208- :99- :190-

He must have just been moved to the camp down the road? :103-

CH :95-

Hmm,
What goes into the U19 (GME1) & U46 (GME2) sockets?
Leave them empty?
Does it matter what goes in the U44 socket where the VX chip+ usually is?
The drawing in reply # 20 - says I should occupy the U17 socket with the SS chip! :7- :103- :60- :58-

You'd think it goes in the U19 (GME1) socket alongside the U46 (GME2) socket? :128-

Mark, the ram, game and version eproms stay .. no changes to them. Just change your SB to the 001000 and add your SS to U17.

UH.....
I think you forgot the two GME 155's.....

If I didn't make myself clear this is what I am trying to say.

The only eproms you need to remove is your SB and change it to the SB001000 and then add your SS to play your S+ games. No other eproms need to be removed or changed.

Whatever game (GME1 and GME2) are in there now stays, along with the version and the two rams.

Oh, That's an excellent post Ohio! Thank you so much! :89-
I'm going to try it tonight when I get home...
would you guys have the award glass for a
chop top 9" 3CM Double Diamond Haywire I could get? :129- :128-
Or maybe keep an eye out for one for me?
I only have the regular 3CM one that doesn't have the bright blue"Haywire" logo on it.
It's the older version award glass for S+.
Thanks you lots for all your help! :89-

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LOL...it works! :96-

I removed my gme 1 & 2's that's prob why mine wouldn't work  :200-

Mark, how is the sound?

Okay,
Good Morning all!
I love the sound the DSV00042 gives out in the "enhanced" setting
for the Double Diamond Haywire!
This game is great!
I liked the 2CM but the 3CM is even better!

I didn't even have to use the KeyChip 17 to change denomination settings either.
All I did was switch the SG00155 GME1 & 2 to SG00363's!
It works with the SG000155's but I will only get the older style display.
When I put in the SG000363's, I get the "modern" looking split VFD displays showing!!!

Anyways, changing the SBxxxxx chip from like a Tabasco SBxxxxx to an SB001000 makes
the S2000 MPU puts out a "statement" saying in the VFD display that it doesn't recognize the denom.
So I go into the denom settings and the MPU allows me to set the denom to whatever I want.
I have never seen so many chips on the board -
You video poker guys must have a blast! LOL
Now I wanna really  tinker with this puppy... :79-