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Anyone have a clue what both lock holes are for?.  Sorry I don't have a picture handy of the front, but, this does not have a BV and does not have the tilt out belly..  (Don't mind the nasty handle.. working with a vendor here for new/better one).

Thoughts?  (Anyone have the same setup?)

Thanks,

Johnny K

One for belly glass and the other for the main door??

What's going on with that handle arm?
Looks like someone is pulling the arm with sandpaper?

Chrome flaking off.. Working on getting a new one.

I've seen the belly glass that tilts out that gives you access to the BV (which this does not have).. but this door is one solid piece.. I'll have to take pictures of the reverse/inside to see if that sheds light..

Thanks for the input.

JK

Exactly! The more you show us - the more we can tell ya!  :89-

That's a new one on me!   never saw that before, the only logical reason would be :  as IGT was transitioning to the door with the belly drop door  they had to move the lock hole down so it wouldn't interfer with the bezel for the bill acceptor.   I think there was a 1/2 or 3/4 inch difference, so maybe this door was made so it would mate up with the older cabinet and the new cabinet.  you can only use one or the other lock hole. 

I have some machines with the main lock located at a different distance with reference to the top of the door. and that's the only reason I could see.

Jim

P.S.  when you replace the handle, be careful removing the screw on the bottom, if you apply too much torque you will snap the head off the allen head screw ,hopefully the new handle will have one installed so you will have a spare.

Thanks for the advice on the handle!

Attached pictures from the inside.. if that sheds light.. appears that the botton one will lock the door, top one is useless?..

Also, is that coin comparitor in backwards?.. I got it that way from the guy I bought it from and it works fine...

Thanks,

JK

I am not sure on the top lock location, but you can just install a cover in the hole and will be fine. I think that the people before me probably had the right idea. As for the comparitor being backwards, I think that it is fine assuming your machine is a $1 machine as they are installed that way for large denom setups.

CaptainHappy :95-

Thanks for the input.  Looking closely, you can tell there was a lock in the bottom one.. the top I'm not so sure.  The Cabinet has a hole int he upper right (top), I'm guessing that was for a BV that hung.. the top could have bee for a wire switch for that.. who knows?.

I'll look for a blank cover fro hole #2 or worse case buy a second lock to fill the hole.

Take care,

JK

Rudys deals has lock covers

Here's some ideas I use sometimes.
You can get different sizes and colors too! lol

http://www.itw-fastex.com/catalog/index.php/dw/oc/a/3/c/6 (http://www.itw-fastex.com/catalog/index.php/dw/oc/a/3/c/6)

Various hardware stores that have the filing cabinets full of parts might have them too.
I think Lowes or Home Depot might have them too!

you can buy metal hole plugs with the tabs on the back for securing. I think the size you need is 3/8".  you can find these at Lowes in their pull out bins that contain Hillman Fastners.

The hole on the top right was for a card reader add-on,  you can use a sink hole filler for this, its a metal disc with a threaded rod attached to it and a oversized wing nut to hold it in place. they usually are chrome plated, you can prep these and paint to match the color of the cabinet. these too can be purchased at Lowes in the sink and faucet gimmicks.


Jim

 

Perfect!

Thanks for all the help (everyone).

JK

I have seen the two holes in the doors a very long time ago.  I was told that one lock was the casino and the other was for the gaming enforcement.  Just thought I would throw my 2 cents in here.

That would probably mean it took two people to screw a light bulb in... :25-

..but only one drunk with a glass of liquor to burn it out.  :5-  :140- :72- :72-



Has anyone ever noticed that this emoticon has animated text in white? I guess the guy who created it was drunk at the time.. :97- :97-

Go To Lowes or Home Depot. They Have Chrome and Black,and even white plugs to cover the door lock holes for $ 1.29 for a package of 2.
Ken

Come to think of it.. I may just get two covers and not add a lock.. no reason for it really.. not for my use..

Lowes or Depot it is.

JK

Actually I remember seeing the 2 locks on door on Military base IGT slots.   It was basically taking the idea of...   its takes two people to service the machine...more of a  security  thing.   In addition to that,  allot of the Military  IGT  slots were narrow bodies.  Made for a nice compact look.

What's the dimensions of your machine ?    Did you ever find a nice replacement handle ?   If not,  give me a PM... I have several re-chromed straight slot handles.   

On my S+ - one lock controls the door and the other is the belly.

it was my understanding that the drop box guy only opened the belly to pull the cash can and refill the hopper

The cash can also had its own lock So the cash can guy couldn't do the dip..

You can refill the hopper on your S+ by only opening the belly door?   :103-

True. However, in Johnny K's case the machine does not have a validator and the belly glass does not open. That's why we're all puzzled. :79-

In every instance in a casino where I needed a fill, two people showed up, opened the the main door and dumped a pre-measured bag of coins in the hopper. They then notated the fill on a card or paper that was stored on the reel shelf in the machine, usually under the power switch and counters. Quarter fills were $500, dollars were $400 or sometimes $800, and five dollar fills were also $500, if I remember correctly (that only happened to me once, so pardon my CRS).

The cash on the S+ took four keys to get to. The first was the belly door, and the second was the cash door, which the guards that changed the boxes had. There were probably two groups of guards, with each having only one of the two keys. Then there were two on the cash can itself. There would be two groups of employees in the count room and each would have the key to one of the two locks. A member of each group would have to be present to open a box . This method is called double custody.

Banks use the same double custody system. Officers typically had what was called the "top" set of keys, safe combinations, and alarm codes, and senior tellers and sometimes lesser officers or regular tellers would have what was called the "bottom" set. One wasn't "better" than the other -- a top and bottom person were required to access anything other than a teller accessing their own cash. This system protected the bank from theft by deterring collusion and protected honest employees from accusation in cases where something of value went missing.

<ADD> Technically, a teller also handles all transactions in double custody: the customer is the second party, even though they don't think of it that way.

Thanks for the the insights.. I'll take pictures of it, but it appears to me to be of normal size..  It was originally manufactured in 1993 and then there's a "refurb" sticker indicating it was refurbished in 5/96.

As for the handle, I'm working with April on tracking one down and the parts for conversion to a quarter machine and a speaker, 86 door bulb and base as well.

Thanks,

JK

To Kevins Point - I never saw anyone open just the belly door to do a hopper fill - it was always the door.

Just for kicks...I opened the belly door....
I have no idea how to fill up a hopper
with a bag fulla nickels through here...uh,uh. :129-  :200- :72-  :208-
(I'm just pulling your leg!  :114- )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rowdrcsmkUw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rowdrcsmkUw)

Regarding filling the hopper from belly.

8:10 in, doesn't look possible/practical to do that way..  Belly door allows access to the bills and easy to change the glass..

If it was "easy" to get to the hopper, I'd bet there'd be theft by breaking that front glass and grabbing tokens (esp on the high denom machines).. not saying it's a good idea, but someone silly would try it..lol..

It's easier to get a job than trying to steal coins out of a casino slot machine's hopper...lol
Legal too! lol

That's not the coin hopper he's referring to in the video, it's the cash can that hold the bills. Much better to grab the cash can than the tokens...  :72- :72- :72-

Yes, I know the hopper diff, and I know the cash cans should be locked, and are they locked in place as well?

I noticed something strange at 9:01 near the end of the video. The dbv turns bezel light turns off after he inserts the first of three coins. :103-  On my machines, the dbv doesn't go out until max bet is reached; this makes sense, since the customer might drop in one or two coins, or play off the last one or two credits, and then need to feed in a bill to finish betting for that spin.

Has anyone else ever seen the dbv light go out before max bet was reached? :128-

While we are in CSI :209- :209- :209- mode....

Was I the only one that thought that you would get another foot of AC cord if you unhooked it from the coin drop chute???

Also did everyone catch his unique and embarrassed coin counting at one point... ONE.... TWO..... TWO!!!.... THREE. :200- :208- It stole a coin from him! LOL

Actually I should not make fun of the video as it is nice that they obviously made this for their customers who may have never have been inside a slot machine. K+ for them if I knew who they were!  :244- :97-

CH :95-

It's almost like he's got his wires crossed... :96-
No seriously...lol

Let me try my best to explain>>>

When you drop at least one coin, the "Cash Out" light should go off.
The MPU shuts down the option of cashing out until the game is completed
When the game is completed, the Cash out button is enabled and the bulb lights up -
providing there's any credits remaining on the credit display.
If there's no credits, the cash out button will not light up.
That's why I think he has his wires crossed? lol

I don't recall of any way to disable the DBV light to
go out before the max bet is reached.
UNLESS, his settings for each coin is worth more than 1 credit for example...
setting the coin as worth 25 pennies and the dbv has an absurdly low limit setting?
But we can clearly see that he's dropping quarters and
receiving (sometimes) one credit per coin?

That doesn't explain it.
He must of butchered the door harness and
plugged in the cash out bulb to the DBV bulb is the only thing I can figure out...  :103- :72-

BTW My knuckles would be black and blue if I
punched in the cash door the way he does!  LOL
Surprised the cash door isn't all dented in...
He reminds me of that guy who gets rid of the black line
on his LCD TV screen with a baseball bat! LOL

The video was made by Slotsdirect in PA.He also calls this a "club" model. OK, take the top box and candle off any machine, re-laminate, and there you have a "club" model. LOL Only 1200.00 for an S+ LOL

What does he do with all the top boxes? lol
Betcha he has a few for sale!  :96-
Wait lemme guess, $300 bucks for a 9" top box... :30-

Cash cans are locked, the area they fit into is locked, and the main door or belly door is locked.

Just a follow up.  Went to Home Depot and got two 5/8" (pretty sure on size), fill plugs in the drawers they have for the misc hardware.  They fit loose in the hole ar first they bending the prongs backwards secures them tightly.. I think the next size probably wouldn't fit..  Came out well, works for my application for home use.

Cool! I LIKE that!  :3- :3- :3-

i've seen the two locking hole one W.M.R. machines used on U.S. military bases, foreign & domestic.  (Morale  , Welfare, Recreation projects)
One was for the Club operator & the other was for the BEAN counter.


R.

Hey Johnny :88-

This is the first thing I do to a machine when I get it home.  I have been doing it for months.  I can't stand having the holes in the doors.  I use 3/4 inch hole plugs, bend two prongs on each side and snap in place.  I normally have to bend a prong in the inside to make for a nice finished look. 

I bet you paid over a buck a piece for them to, yea?? :103-  I went to Lowe's a couple weeks ago and paid $1.07 plus tax and I bought 12 of them.  I came home and did a search on eBay for them and came up with this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120539183458&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120539183458&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

Now I have plenty around here for the off chance I buy another machine.   :97- :72- :97- :208- :97- :72- :97- :208-  For those that know me already, I am sure you will get a kick out of that remark.  Stat, Bunker, CH, Buzz..... any comments??   :103- :96- :97-

Here's a couple pictures from the machines I picked up a couple days ago.  I haven't even had a chance to clean the machines but you can see I covered the holes  :30-

And here's a couple pics of the mod's done to the plugs

Very cool!  Not sure if any new machines are in my future (you never know), good to know of a solution to it.

Thanks for the sharing pics.

JK

Good theory, but at 5:30 in the video the DBV bezel light is on, and then he reaches up and turns on the Cash/Credit light by pressing the switch.

Perhaps he's running a really old SP chip that disabled the validator after the first coin in?

LOL We said that too 14 months ago when we bought our first four :25-  and now we are up to 30 29 in the house and 2 at my sisters, and one or two or three I haven't bought this week yet.  :7- :7- :7- Let me just warn you to put a night light in the room with your slot machine.  Even if there is only one machine, in the dark it will multiply :208- :208-

That seems like about the only answer...
I believe even my S2000 turns the DBV light off after
I drop at least one coin in the slot.
I'm not sure,  as I'm not near it right now.

Oh! By the way...Nice plug mod Ashy! LOL
You didn't buy enough of them... :96-

Thanks Bunker.  Yea, I was thinking I should pick up a couple more boxes of these.   :30- :30-  Never hurts to back up your back ups :97- :97-

I will match their EBay price and shipping they have listed for 50 pieces with the chrome finish. ... $26.91.

They are chrome .. just that I can't take good pictures.

Sure,

Next time you take Dad to the Doctor, ask him for some pills that will cure you and Chip of your Problem!!!  :97- :97- :97-

Oh yeah, before you say it, you better get some of those pills for Buzz, Bunker and me too!  :30- :200- :200- :88- :97- :97- :97-

Stat gets a pass for showing restraint! :88- :244- :244-

CH :95-

P.S. Do you think a Lighted Sticker would look good on my machine???  :103- :208- :208- :208-

Are you talking the machine Buzz has at his house??  Sure one would look good on that.  A nice, shiny, new black and white one.  You can save yourself some shipping on it too.  I can take one over the next time I go over there.  And if you don't pay me for it, there is a machine I can hold as ransom until paid.   :72- :72-  For you I will sell one for $250 bucks.   :30- :25- :208- :97- :72- :200- :96- :5-

Yeah, I call it Buzz's Guinea Pig! :72- :72- :72- By the time I get around to getting it picked up it will have hydraulics in it like a low rider, it will be tricked out with all type and colors of LEDs and Cathode Ray Tube lighting, remote controls, etc.!!!  :208- :208- :208-

I guess that I was shamefully angling for "FREE" installation!  :208- :208- :208- But looking at my price above, it looks like the shipping would have been a cheaper choice! HA HA HA  :97- :97- :97-

Just trying to have some fun with you! :88- :88- :88-

CH :95-

:97- :72- :97- :72- :97- :72- :97- :72-

Free installation?? I can handle that.  I don't think I caught it earlier, I'm not all together here right now.  I been running since 8 this morning.  I assume you'll want a black and white one?? It'll take about 20 to 30 minutes to do and I can put one on next time I go over there.  :25-  or the time after that or sometime before you come and get the game.

Now you know that I can't take credit for that as it's not really by choice. :96- :30- :208- :208- :208-

Thanks, I just figured that I would then have a machine that has one installed that I can look at as an example so that I can install the others I got from you last time.  :200- It may be the motivation that I need. :97- :97- :97-

CH :95-

I was gonna say, restraint??   :97- :97- :97-  He don't have a choice but to show restraint.   :97- :97-


CH - Notice when I posted in the classifieds I didn't put WTS - I put UFS (up for sale). :96- :96-  If I had my choice I would have a sticker on every machine we have that would take one.  I have 9 special ones put away for a much later time and I think we are down to 19 of them now.  I'll be calling Alma to put in another order before I spend the money on something else  :79- :79-  I'm glad you got the butterflies game.  Nice looking machine as far as I remember but I am not a fan of the butterflies.   :60-  But I surely wouldn't turn it down if offered to me  :3- :3- (HINT HINT) :72- :72-