S+ or S2000 as the better machine and why?

[sblair]

Hey guys,

I've shopped and restored about half a dozen S+ machines and had good success reselling them locally on Craigslist.  I've found them pretty easy to work one.  From the reading I've done my perception is that many consider the S+ a more reliable machine than the S2000.

I'm looking at buying some more machines and the one wholesaler I've talked with seemed to have S2000 machines cheaper than the S+ just because of availability.

So I'm really interested in learning the main differences and the pros/cons between the S+ and S2000 family and which you prefer and why?

I'm also interested in connecting with any wholesalers that can provide me with 6-10 machines at a time as well.  I have no interests an opening online store, but just a side business here to service the local home market in Austin,TX.

Thanks.
Scott

[Foster]

I have worked on both.
I like the fact the S2000 will give you plain English tilt messages
Like Coin In Jam, General Reel Tilt, Reel X Tilt, Reels Disconnected, etc ,etc

If you have a problem with one post the issue with as much detail and maybe pictures of message or messages.

[sblair]

Thanks Foster.  Never been inside an S2000 yet.  Just looking to get some information on the pro/cons of them vs the S+ before buying into them.  Seems like folks on here favor the S+ more than the S2000 but I don't know why....

[AnotherTech]

The S2000 is going to be easier to get parts for, as many casinos are still running them.

I think the S2000 is a much better machine, but others will have their own opinions.

[stayouttadabunker]

Both platforms have their pros and cons in my opinion.
I love both really...

[cowboygames]

Side by side on the floor I think the S2000 will be easier to sell because of enhanced sounds, backlit reels and a sleeker looking design for the door. Because of more interior electronics they are capable of more problems, but as noted above, parts are gonna be easier to get for a longer time.

[Yoeddy1]

Side by side on the floor I think the S2000 will be easier to sell because of enhanced sounds, backlit reels and a sleeker looking design for the door. Because of more interior electronics they are capable of more problems, but as noted above, parts are gonna be easier to get for a longer time.

Agree with all points.

[sblair]

What type of problems are more commonly seen in the S2000 that you might not see in the S+?

I know they all have their pros and cons, what I'd like hearing is everyone's thoughts on what those pros and cons are!

Thanks.
Scott

[poppo]

Seems like folks on here favor the S+ more than the S2000 but I don't know why....

For me, the S+ is pretty easy to work on and doesn't have all of the cryptic sound chips etc. I'm sure it would not take too long to figure it all out, but I can live without the enhanced sounds and back-lit reels. Plus I like the good old fashioned coins in/out. None of that TITO junk for me. 

[sblair]

Poppo,

You bring up a great point.  I'm interested in Coin In/Out with Bill acceptors also.  Not so much interested in TITO machines.  My understanding was S2000 machines could still take hoppers and do coiin in/out?  I understand many of them may not have been used that way, but can they still be added to any S2000 machine?

Also another question for the Pros/Cons, I know the WBA for S+ machines are no longer getting new currency support, what about the bill acceptors for S2000?  Are they still be supported with new currency?

[cowboygames]

This thread could go on forever with good and bad points about either model. What it really boils down to is some people love one model or the other irregardless of whether they're more problematic or not and opinions are gonna be scewed rightfully or not against the one they don't like. I like the S2000's a lot more, but I'll be the first to tell you the electronics on them wears out faster. Most S+ stuff was made here or in Mexico while most S2000 stuff is made in China now. Does it make the differance? Hell, I don't know. Nothing lasts as long is it's predecessors anymore. If you want to limit your repair callouts selling S2000's then sell them completely coin operated and pull all the BV and Printer stuff out and don't buy anything with top box bonus rounds or LCD screens, IE, vision, reel touch and barcrest games. That will give your customers good working machines they'll be happy with and you won't be called to repair a lot.

[sblair]

Cowboy,

Guess I should say, I'd be mostly interested in classic reel machines.  Not interested in the video slots or gaudy bells/whistles that also drive the price way up.

I know the discussion could go on forever and everyone does have the preferences.  The discussion is very helpful and educational here for me though.

[Yoeddy1]

Anything can be learned fellas.  I know eventually I'm going to have a major component go out, but with the tight knit support that we all enjoy out here, nothing's impossible.  I had an old S machine and learned quite a bit about it.  Some points were painful, but the fellas out here got me through it.  I knew however that parts were next to impossible so I dumped it.  I LOVE the S2000.  I'm still learning every day, and I try to contribute something back to the fellas out here any way that I can.  I hate the new video slots too, but I love the advanced sounds and backlit reels.  I also like the flexibility of having a ticket printer, hopper, DBV, and can drop tokens in and print out a customized ticket with the remaining 25 bucks (or whatever I set) in tokens drop into the tray.

Thanks,
Jason

[poppo]

Why are people saying S+ parts are hard to find?  I have not had a hard time finding anything.

[Yoeddy1]

An S is.

Thanks,
Jason

[cowboygames]

Cowboy,

Guess I should say, I'd be mostly interested in classic reel machines.  Not interested in the video slots or gaudy bells/whistles that also drive the price way up.

I know the discussion could go on forever and everyone does have the preferences.  The discussion is very helpful and educational here for me though.

I'm not trying to say this is any kind of time waste. Sorry if I gave that impression. Under normal home use, either model will be a good machine for your customers. S2000ms have more elctronics and more potential problems even without the bells and whistles. The differance is substantially smaller if you sell only basic machines. I've had both and even for the problems I've had with them I prefer the S2000 and think you'll find them easier to sell at a higher price

[sblair]

Why are people saying S+ parts are hard to find?  I have not had a hard time finding anything.

Case in point, I talked to a large wholesaler yesterday when I was looking for a number of S+ hoppers.  They told me they don't have any S+ hoppers and they use S2000 hoppers to canibalize to build S+ hoppers for their own machines.  His comment to me was while they have most S+ parts, the S2000 parts are easier to come by.

Does anyone know if S2000 bill acceptors are all still be supported with newest currency since S+ WBA support has ended?

[AnotherTech]

The latest software for the WBA ID024 (what's used in the S2000), is out and will accept the new $100 bill that will be coming out.  It will probably be the last software released for the WBA, as JCM has announced they will discontinue software support of new bills for the WBA at the end of 2012.

So yes, they are still supporting the S2000, but they will soon stop supporting the WBA.

[poppo]

They told me they don't have any S+ hoppers and they use S2000 hoppers to canibalize to build S+ hoppers for their own machines. 

I thought the S2000 hopper was 24v and the S+ 110v.

Has anyone here ever modded a S2000 hopper to work in a S+ ?

[stayouttadabunker]

Too many things are different - starting with the base for instance...
The S+ slides into a rail while the S2000 hopper has the rail.
Motors are totally different as well as connection plugs.
The only thing that's similar between the two are the bowls and knives.
I don't know who's sh***ing who on that particular "cannibalization" statement....

[poppo]

That's what I thought. Just wondering how that place was converting them.   

[stayouttadabunker]

If ANYTHING...
there should be more S+ hoppers in the world than there are S+'s? 
I don't know really - only vendors would know this answer.
Slot machine wholesalers in general have a better handle on this
and don't really tell us anything - it's their livelihood.

All we can do is support our local vendors as much as possible and buy all their stuff
when they put it up whenever they need some bucks to maintain ridiculously
over-sized warehouse property expenses...lol
Just kidding....I have no bloody idea. 
Just a wild guess but if I had money...I'd buy something
from every vendor on NLG and stay away from fleabay.

[brianfink]

it seems like coin handling is getting harder to find regardless if ur using s+ or s2000 there are deffinately more s2000s available to buy and in my experience they are easyer to refurb because they are cleaner and dont require alot of scrubbing and painting to make them look good also there are more options to choos from but if ur not used to them they are harder to program at first and have there own set of problems but really they are both good machines ya might just ant to get a couple s2000 and see for your self and you will need key 17 and 97