Need Universal Slot help for Self-Test's on 8800 series board

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uniman
« on: January 29, 2007, 02:12:05 PM »   

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I have a new friend who has a Universal Slot with the theme Silent Service. Cool submarine themed game!
I've seen a picture of it, it looks my old Universals. But I know it was only available in the 8800 board and the 9400 board.
My old Universals are 8116 boards and I have the manual for those.
My Universal Ultra Series Slots have the 9400 board and I have the manual for those too.
So this machine must be the 8800, it's not an Ultra.
Does anyone have a manual for this type of machine or know what self-tests can be performed?


diecaster
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2007, 02:39:03 PM »   

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The plot thickens with those darn Universals! You may want to try and get a hold of one of our members via email. He hasn't been around since December, his username is bware.

He had a Uni with an 8600 series board and posted a pic of it in the past. He may also have come across some info on the model you are looking for.

Good luck!


uniman
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2007, 03:04:59 PM »   

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Thanks, I seen the post and sent bware an email. Didn't see a picture of that 8600 though. Found it, man that's one ugly board!


 
 
uniman
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2007, 05:44:04 PM »   

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This new friend sent me pic's of the internals of his machine. Looks just like an old Universal (8116)
I think the older manual will work for this one with the exception being the MPU board, maybe. Havn't seen it yet.
Next time I email him I'll ask his permission to post the pic's he sent me.
Also encouraged him to join NLG!
Just what you guys need, another Universal owner! 


Jay
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2007, 08:20:25 PM »   

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Now you might even have some one to talk with (kidding !!!)  - Don't get us wrong we don't dislike Universals there just are not enough to go around. I continue to be impressed with the efforts to restore some of these really old ones 


uniman
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2007, 06:59:32 PM »   

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Feel like the Maytag repair man! Even own a Basset Hound! 

Most of the older Universals pre-1993 are not very impressive looking. It was the Universal Ultra Series (1995) that got me started. Very nice! Unfortunatly I can find no one else who owns one! Been watching ebay like a hawk and I have seen 1 ultra in the last 8 months! But the mystery behind the machines also intrigues me. Just can't find info for them anywhere, really have to dig! Makes it interesting!
I plan on doing a video of the Ultra's and their features and uploading it to the site so everyone can see what I'm talking about.


StatFreak
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2007, 07:26:24 PM »     

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I remember playing the Universals in the casinos through the late 80's on through the late 90's. They had cool sounds during payouts, as I remember.


uniman
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2007, 07:39:22 PM »   

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Yeah, Joey was telling me how he always hears that "Universal sound" whenever a television show has a casino scene.
I just bought a Universal board from ebay and it has a sound I never heard. I would compare it to alien sounds! Put it in one of my machines.
Being a musician I think you would appreciate the sound on the Universal Ultra's. There is music while the reels spin. It's the same tune, but from a different instrument every spin. I think there is about six different instruments. Sounds like a sinthesizer recording. The jackpot song is something else! A cross between a marching band and a disco!


StatFreak
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2007, 08:23:56 PM »     

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Joey is right, they use the low level payout sound effect all the time on TV. I don't know why, but the higher pitched effects always made me think of a circus, or a Joker.  When you hit large amounts, like the 400 I hit once, it makes a lower pitched series of tones. Their sounds were very distinctive. I remember wishing that I could get an IGT machine for it's overall looks and dependability, and have the Universal sound effects in it.

I played the Ulta series, I remember the logo on some of the machines, but I don't recall all of that sound detail ! It would be cool to hear it.

I've got the IGT's, a standard Bally, a Williams Dotmation, and a Bally with a custom sound board, so when they all get going, it's quite a din.
Actually, as I think I posted somewhere before, all standard slots are programmed in the key of C, so they all "sing" well together.

Come to think of it, you could make an mp3 of the sounds and post it.. 

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dpalmi
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2007, 09:07:45 PM »   

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I have a Universal in full working condition that I would be glad to look up anything on the machine for you.  I've never been able to figure out the model #...maybe someone could tell me?  The model space on the metal card with the serial # on the side is blank.  Manf year is 92.  I also have a full printed manual for it that I bought direct from Universal when I got the machine 5-6 years ago.  Would also be happy to look anything up in there that might help.  Manual was $35 and has LOTS of info in it, including some fold out schematics...well over 100 pages both sides.  Well worth the $35 if you have a machine.  I was kind of surprised they sold it to me out right, their number is/was 702-361-3166 if you wanna give it a try.  At that time, I also ordered some new decals and a new piece where you put the coins in (to only allow certain size coins in machine)...they were very helpful.
 
 

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uniman
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2007, 02:08:32 PM »   

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Quote from: dpalmi on February 13, 2007, 09:07:45 PM
I have a Universal in full working condition that I would be glad to look up anything on the machine for you.  I've never been able to figure out the model #...maybe someone could tell me?  The model space on the metal card with the serial # on the side is blank.  Manf year is 92.  I also have a full printed manual for it that I bought direct from Universal when I got the machine 5-6 years ago.  Would also be happy to look anything up in there that might help.  Manual was $35 and has LOTS of info in it, including some fold out schematics...well over 100 pages both sides.  Well worth the $35 if you have a machine.  I was kind of surprised they sold it to me out right, their number is/was 702-361-3166 if you wanna give it a try.  At that time, I also ordered some new decals and a new piece where you put the coins in (to only allow certain size coins in machine)...they were very helpful.
That is a nice Universal round top! Thanks for sharing those pic's.
I have a Universal slot game list that lists three boards; 8116, 8800, 9400
Some games were available on all three boards, some just the 8800 and 9400, and some just the 9400(really 94014)
I've seen the 8116's and 94014's, never have seen the 8800? Also saw a pic of a 8600 board, never saw literature for that board.
Your machine looks like it was once a dollar machine. A 200 coin max pay and the blue candle make that assumption plausible.
I usually never see a model # on the nameplate.
Your machine model # is 9421A-2B
"2B" means 2-coin buy-a-pay
It looks like Universal did not really have a model # for a series of machines like IGT, rather the game eprom # is the model #. If you press the test button nine times you will see on the win meter;
 machine eprom #, most likely 9003, (note you will actually see 99003 as the first 9 is for test #9)
followed by machine eprom version#, something like 0014,
 then game eprom #, 9421,
and then game eprom version#, maybe 0006
and then max coin payout, says 200 on reel glass, determine by dips on daughter board.
Hope that helps!

Your board is most likely a 8116, but could be an 8800, if they really exist!
I have the same manual as you have, but thanks for the help offer!
Still wonder if there really is an 8800???


uniman
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2007, 04:09:03 PM »   

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That hopper in your machine pic is not a standard "old" Universal hopper. Looks like one of my Ultra Series hoppers. Does that have a disk in it with holes for the coins?


dpalmi
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2007, 04:36:23 PM »   

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Yes, you are correct.  I believe it was once a $1 machine.  The hopper has a Universal Sticker on it that says $1.  The hopper does have a disc in it with lots of holes around the outside that the coins fit/fall into.  Someone must have converted it before I got it becaise it is now a nickel machine and the holes in the hopper do seem the right size for a nickel to fit in.  It does jam once and awhile, but not that often.  The coin compairitor is also a CC-16 which wouldn't work with $1 tokens.  When I got the machine, it still had the bigger opening where you put the coins in...so you could insert any size coin.  Didn't want to get jams, so I ordered a nickel sized one when I got the manual.  I did the self test thingy and I've listed the 5 numbers it shows below.

99003
90029
99124
90008
90200

How could I check if the board is an 8800?  Would be glad to look if you tell me where/how.  And thanks for all the info so far.


uniman
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2007, 05:25:57 PM »   

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You would have pull the board out, take the cover off and look at the board. 8116's say  "8116-A2" on them.
Take a pic of it and post it if you can.
I am logging off now and will be back on tomorrow.


dpalmi
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2007, 09:50:12 PM »   

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Took the board out - says 8116-A3 right in the middle of it.  Still want any pictures of it?


uniman
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2007, 02:04:41 PM »   

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Yes, if you have a pic, please post. Never seen a 8116-A3
All of mine are 8116-A2.

Here are two boards that I have.
The first is a typical 8116-A2.
The second is a 8116-A2, but the eprom sockets are all 24 pin! No 28 pin socket for the 27C128 machine chip normally found on Universal's. Took a closer look! There are extra pin holes added to make a 28 pin socket where the machine chip sets.

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diecaster
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2007, 04:05:46 PM »   

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Uniman,

That same thing about the sockets had me wondering when I got a spare board even though it still had the same part number. Universal must have been thinking they might use the longer sockets for a future application that never happened.

The chips are just installed shifted to one side leaving open holes on the socket.


uniman
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2007, 04:45:22 PM »   

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The game chip is a 2732, 24 pin that goes in socket 2A, and 2A is a 28 pin socket. So yeah, oversized!
Then right next to that is 3A and it is 24 pin socket, never used!
Machine chip is 27128 or 27C128, 28 pin that goes in 4A, a 28 pin socket.

Not sure why they did that???


dpalmi
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2007, 08:38:19 PM »   

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Finally took the time to take my motherboard out and take a picture of it.  This is a Universal 8116-A3.  It also has 2 daughter boards on it.  Right next to the model #, there is a sticker that says "4 REEL", but it is in a 3 reel machine.

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uniman
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2007, 02:07:50 PM »   

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Thanks for posting!   
Didn't know that a "4-reel" board could be used in a 3-reel machine!
The 8116-sub board (used for progressive signals) is mounted in a different place.
What really caught my eye is that there are two sound eproms. Never seen socket 3M used??
Very similar to the 8116-A2, but there are many differences.
Thanks again for sharing, I'll keep a copy of this pic!