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Title: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 16, 2013, 11:48:41 AM I have an IGT Wild Cherry 2 coin slot machine. The manual readers to a test button. I can see 2 buttons. 1 is a tiny one below the coin comparator and one is on the box to the left of the coin hopper. Are either of these the test button or maybe reset button.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on February 16, 2013, 01:33:49 PM I think you mean the little white button near the power switch in the top right of the cabinet. I read somewhere that the little white button is sometimes on the back of the power switch box, but I don't know if that is true.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 16, 2013, 03:26:06 PM I can only find 2 buttons. The main power switch is under the front of the hopper. I guess I'll wait till I get my battery to see if that fixes the reels problem. Thank you however.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on February 16, 2013, 04:49:44 PM On the first S+ the test button is on your left down low just above the fuses. ( nine times out of ten it's hard to see hiding behind a bunch of wires.)
genebopp It's true, sometimes on a machine that has the upper power switch the test button is hid on the back side. You will never see it but can feel it. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 16, 2013, 06:38:23 PM What is the button on the front of the Mpu?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on February 16, 2013, 06:49:17 PM Hummmm, by an chance does your machine have a blue dot matrix display above the bet one credit button? :) The one with the blue display is an S-2000, not an s-plus and that button on the MPU is probably the button your looking for. If you have a blue display pushing the little white button will give you a menu of options in the blue display window.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: knagl on February 16, 2013, 07:00:00 PM Sounds like an early S+ or late S. The button by the MPU board is the Self Test switch on those versions. Care to post a picture of the inside of your machine?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 16, 2013, 07:08:01 PM Sure will. It'll be later I'm at work. And let me just say a guy named foxslot referred me to this site. So far so good.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 17, 2013, 01:49:59 AM Im pretty sure ( looking at others) it's an early s+. can't put pics yet only have iPad. Will replace battery. And get back with problems. Thanks for all you all do.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 19, 2013, 10:47:45 PM Ok I cannot post pics. If someone can give me their email I can email them you can post them if so desired.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 19, 2013, 10:49:45 PM Problem is I just replaced battery and it just lights up. I only find 2 buttons inside the box. 1 is a tiny white one below the coin comparator the other is on the side of the MPU housing. I tried to post pics to no avail. I have 4 pics if I can email to you and you can post them that would be of great help
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 19, 2013, 10:57:03 PM All I get when I turn it on is the lights. No humming, no spinning, no noise at all
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on February 19, 2013, 11:54:08 PM My email is in my profile ( not nidden )
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 20, 2013, 12:03:36 AM 4 pics on the way. Please help me!!!
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on February 20, 2013, 12:54:15 AM I can't see the test button in your picture, but it'should be right below that piece of RED tape on the MPU frame work. Look on the inside with the MPU removed and I would think you can see the back side of the test button.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 20, 2013, 12:59:56 AM Below that red tape right below the empty socket there is a silver stick style button, nothing happens when I press it. I just replaced the battery and all I have are lights. Before battery replacement I got numbers, now lights only. Still not sure of type of machine (s s plus s 2000???)
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on February 20, 2013, 01:08:02 AM I saw something like this yesterday at NLG headquarters in Bullhead. OH you have a older style S+. Look at a 6 pin connector harness that goes from the power supply to the mother board. I'll bet apples are oranges that you have a BAD connection. Just wiggle it around and watch the display and see if it changes.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 20, 2013, 01:11:33 AM Top white candle is now flashing and 61 in the winner paid window, do you like apples or oranges?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on February 20, 2013, 01:14:10 AM Here is a picture of the harness. On this one I have cut the plug off and soldered the wires to the mother board.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 20, 2013, 01:48:43 AM Checked all harnesses. Both lights on top now flashing. Have 61 in winner paid window
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on February 20, 2013, 02:09:49 AM OK With a 61, hold the test button until you hear a "dong" then close the main door then turn the jackpot key one time. Should now be ready to play.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 20, 2013, 02:25:26 AM Held button for about 3 minutes no dong. Turned reset key anyway and now no 61 but coin played has 0 then 1 alternating. Top white candle flashing bottom yellow candle flashing 3 times faster
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: knagl on February 20, 2013, 05:13:36 AM You shouldn't have to hold the button for more than about five seconds -- no need to hold it for three minutes in the future. :)
Do you have access to a multimeter to do a continuity test on the Self Test switch? With the machine's power off, remove the MPU board and test the leads on the back of that switch to make sure that the switch is completing the circuit when you press it, and breaking the circuit when you release it. You mentioned that it's a "stick style" button -- it should be a momentary button that you can push in, and will spring back out when you release it. If that's working correctly, try again by putting the MPU board back in and turning the machine on. At the "61" error, press and hold the switch for about five seconds. The display should change to 61_1 (and you should hear a ding if your speaker is working). At that point (and even if it you don't get the 61_1), close and firmly latch the door. If the 61 or 61_1 remains after you've latched the door, then turn the jackpot reset key. Let us know... Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 20, 2013, 12:27:05 PM Yes it springs back when I release. I will post about continuity tomorrow. Thanks again for all your help
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 21, 2013, 05:14:07 PM Yes there is continunity
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 21, 2013, 05:16:34 PM I don't get a ding, I don't get a61-1 my top candles are blinking top bottom is 2 to 3 times quicker then top.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on February 21, 2013, 06:21:52 PM Without going back and reading this whole thread. assuming your jackpot switch is good and also assuming the main door optics are good, one other thing that will cause you not being able to clear a 61-1 is the cash can door thinks it's open. I suggest bypassing the cash can door switch ( Just cut the two wires and connect them together. ) http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/gamechange.htm
From the above link. Note: - A Common problem that occurs after a game change is that you will see a 61- 1 code after you hold the test button in and hear the "Ding" but you close the door and turn the reset key and nothing happens. This is usually caused by an open door to the cash storage container or a misaligned Bill validator. - Check all your doors to be certain they are completely closed before closing the main machine door. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 21, 2013, 06:34:33 PM I have a coin hopper but no cash can unless they are the same. I also don't get a 61-1 just a 61
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 22, 2013, 10:18:10 PM Nothing has changed. Does anyone have new advice, should I start a new thread? I am most impressed with this forum. Somebody please help me
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on February 22, 2013, 10:32:50 PM I am far from one of the experts, but I am here now. The cash can is where the dollar bills end up. There is a door right under the slot where the bills go in. The cash can is inside of that. That little door might have a little switch inside that could be giving you problems. Buzz is an expert and I only understand what he was telling you not why to do it. He wanted you to make sure that the cash door switch was bypassed my touching the wires together. The last owner may have done that already. Push the little white button for a few seconds, hopefully hear a ding, shut the door making sure the latch is all the way down, then turn the Jack pot key once. I think that is all the instructions. I hope that works out. Like I said, I understand the instructions, but have little actual knowledge.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 22, 2013, 11:00:04 PM I appreciate your help, all of you. I don't have a bill acceptor. It only takes coin. Here is all I have in a nut shell. I received a 12 code in the winner paid window. I installed a battery. I turned it on and had nothing.the button I can find is on the MPU case. Nothing happens when I press it . If I press it for a moment and release it and turn the reset key I get my spin reels button to light up and then get all kinds of different numbers to show up. Some times if I press it enough the reels will spin but they spin right to left. Then nothing after that.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on February 22, 2013, 11:30:14 PM genebopp Thanks for the vote of confidence but if I'm a expert the folks posting on the forum for help with a S+ are in trouble. I just made the mistake telling him about the BV door and his machine doesn't have a BV, coin handling only.
riothecat I'm guessing your stuck in the 61 loop that I've heard about. Read this thread maybe that will help. http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=17334.0 The cmos they are talking about is right next to the Game chip, just pull it out and short the legs out on a piece of metal. All the chance in the world your gonna need a clear chip. On boot up it's normal for the reels to stop 3, 2, 1 in that order. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 22, 2013, 11:49:05 PM Ok took CMOS out but legs on metal. Put back in and turned on. Nothing. Pushed button shut door turned key nothing, however something new... There are 4 round black canisters with a black piece of metal that got very hot to touch. What ever have I done???
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 23, 2013, 12:07:44 AM Now it's adding to the 4 counters on the right side turning it off does not sound good
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 24, 2013, 02:24:48 AM No replies in over 24 hours... Now I'm officially worried.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on February 24, 2013, 10:29:52 PM I am kinda feeling for you. While not really slot machine advice, it is how i deal with everything that I need to "fix". Step 1 is make damn sure its broke. (i think you have done that). Step 2 is experiment (since it cant get worse than broke.... ) While your problems are way over my head here is what I would do. Reshort the chips you have already done just to make sure that there is no hope of a free/easy fix. If that doesn't work order a clear chip, they are cheap and you might end up needing one anyway. If none of the free and cheap things work I would start throwing parts at it. Since it used to work till the battery went dead and you touched the mpu I would start by replacing the MPU board. I dont know if you have to use the clear chip on a replacement board or not, but you will have one since that was a much cheaper thing to try before buying the board. That would be my order of blind guesses.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: shortrackskater on February 25, 2013, 10:55:37 PM Make sure your CMOS chip isn't in the wrong direction!
Otherwise...are you still getting the 61 and no ding? When you replace the battery, if you've turned the reset switch, I believe you have to do a clear on the mpu. I think you're in the 61 loop. Report back soon as you can. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: poppo on February 25, 2013, 11:27:48 PM Ok took CMOS out but legs on metal. Put back in and turned on. Nothing. Pushed button shut door turned key nothing, however something new... There are 4 round black canisters with a black piece of metal that got very hot to touch. What ever have I done??? Coming into this thread late, but those "canisters" are capacitors and they should not be getting hot. What is the current status of the machine? Did you install the battery the correct polarity? Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 26, 2013, 12:05:44 AM Yes battery is correct. The 4 capacitors are not getting hot there is a metal thing just above that got really hot as I was pushing the button. I'll check the chip again (still working). Again I thank all you for the help.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: poppo on February 26, 2013, 12:10:19 AM Ok, that is just the heat sink and will get hot.
The more detailed description you give us, the easier it will be to help. For example. 'The door is open and I turn on the machine and this is what it does: <list what is lit, what is displayed, what is flashing, etc.>' While these machines are not that complicated, there are specific sequences of steps to take when troubleshooting problems. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 26, 2013, 12:51:21 AM Thank you poppo. I will be home soon and will check the CMOS chip. And the from there???
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 26, 2013, 02:04:43 AM Ok I checked the CMOS, I had the chip in wrong ( banging head on beer bottle) the battery is installed with the + mark on the battery up ( there is a + mark on the board as well.) 8 am now back to the 12 code measured the volts in the battery and it's new and am only getting less then 3. Will order a new one. With info I have here do I have the battery installed correctly and did I screw it up by having the CMOS chip backwards? Thanks again for all you have done...
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 26, 2013, 02:43:20 AM If so, then 1 of 2 things happened...>>> 1). Upon installing the MPU into the floor motherboard - you bent a pin on the bottom of the motherboard. The fix: Power off the machine and remove the MPU and very carefully inspect all of the pins to make darn sure every one of them are perfectly straight. or 2). It's very possible that when you soldered in the MPU battery that it was upside down or the re-soldered leads somehow shorted a nearby board trace. The Fix: Make sure the battery traces are intact, not shorting out anywhere and re-check the voltage of the new battery before re-soldering it to the MPU pads. Careful inspection is the only way to see anything. If you have a high resolution camera...pictures close up of the battery area and capacitor areas could help you too! We have very good eyes around here! Poppo is right on the money when he said the more detailed your reports to us - the better we can help you! :89- OOps! For some reason I missed all of the above posts? I will read your updated posts now. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 26, 2013, 02:52:49 AM The wrongly installed CMOS chip...does it appear to be burnt on top at all?
Did the labeling get mis-colored or "heated" up? If so, it may not be any good now. Please carefully inspect the pins on the bottom of the MPU board too....make sure none are bent or folded into each other causing shorts or any kind. uh...check the voltage of the "new" battery BEFORE re-installing onto the MPU battery solder pads as well. You'd be amazed sometimes how low some "New" batteries are! :89- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 26, 2013, 03:22:10 AM Here's some video clips I made a while back that might help...>>>
http://youtu.be/Pan8k8OjIgM (http://youtu.be/Pan8k8OjIgM) http://youtu.be/XH3N-prFZJ0 (http://youtu.be/XH3N-prFZJ0) Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 26, 2013, 03:26:45 AM Some more hopper stuff...>>>
http://youtu.be/GAkVj8olMHE (http://youtu.be/GAkVj8olMHE) Here's a way to test your hopper while out of the machine....plug the cord into a power strip that has an on off button to turn the hopper on and off if you want....probably safer too! LoL ...>>> http://youtu.be/qsea8ltUwWk (http://youtu.be/qsea8ltUwWk) Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: poppo on February 26, 2013, 09:51:57 AM Having the CMOS in backward would have drained the battery and probably also caused the heat sink to get hotter than normal. Most likely it's cooked. :98-
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 26, 2013, 01:05:52 PM What is cooked? The board, battery, tht CMOS chip???
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 28, 2013, 05:56:39 PM Ok I let it sit for a few days turned it on and there is a 61. Now what are the next couple of steps
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: shortrackskater on February 28, 2013, 06:07:47 PM Okay you're back to ground zero again...I think.
With the 61 showing, hold the white test button...should take 2 seconds...you should hear a DING. Then close and LATCH the door, turn the reset key one time. It should work, unless your CMOS is fried. Report back... also read this entire thread again... most of the next steps are here...but report back asap. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 28, 2013, 06:54:21 PM Turned on pressed button shut door it says 007 in both windows and 0 1 alternating in coins played window, both candles flashing at different sppeed...................sorry modification to notes.... Pushing button still makes no noise
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 28, 2013, 07:32:40 PM I think you need to get a new MPU as it doesn't cost much.
Place a WTB ad for an S+ MPU in the new life games Classifieds section and hopefully someone will spot it and offer you one! :89- It should have a good CMOS chip already installed on it. Before removing circuit boards, make sure you are powered off and when removing CMOS chips( or any other chip) make sure that upon re-installing them, that they are facing in the correct direction! You can see a small rectangular square etched onto the circuit board next to one end of the socket. When you get your new MPU board, post here and we will try to help you get it together and working in your machine again. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 28, 2013, 07:45:27 PM Are we sure I have an S+
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 28, 2013, 07:50:20 PM Are we sure I have an S+ Without you posting a single picture of your machine... and the fact that your machine shows a [61] in the display...I'd say "Yeah!!" :72- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 28, 2013, 08:11:40 PM There are two pictures posted earlier in the topic. Reply # 14
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 28, 2013, 08:23:29 PM There are two pictures posted earlier in the topic. Reply # 14 Okay...I thought those pictures were Buzz's pictures....not yours. You have an S+. Are you trying to quiz me on an S+? :97- Look, if you want to just try and buy a CMOS chip from someone, you may install it and it may still not work. Inserting a chip of any kind incorrectly and in the wrong direction does all kinds of damage to either the chip or the MPU or sometimes even the motherboard on the floor. Get yourself a spare MPU and install your SS and SP chips onto it. I promise you that you will have a much better chance getting your machine back up and running again! Let's just hope that there wasn't any damage done to the motherboard on the floor or you'll be needing one of those as well....if so, no problem - those don't cost a whole lot either! Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 28, 2013, 09:01:15 PM Yes I am trying to quiz you on an S+. I assume that question is sarcasm. There seems to be a button somewhere in my machine that should ding when I push it. I find one on the MPU case but it's not white and it has nott dinged when I pushed it.. Anyway I'm ordering a board, how much should I expect to pay for this board and will it need anything from my old board ???
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: dpalmi on February 28, 2013, 09:16:14 PM Yes I am trying to quiz you on an S+. I assume that question is sarcasm. There seems to be a button somewhere in my machine that should ding when I push it. I find one on the MPU case but it's not white and it has nott dinged when I pushed it.. Anyway I'm ordering a board, how much should I expect to pay for this board and will it need anything from my old board ??? Where is the button you are pushing? It is nowhere near the MPU case. It is behind/on the back of the power switch. You can not see the button from the front of the machine... Dan #2 Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 28, 2013, 09:26:26 PM Dpalmi... Please see posts 13 thru 24 on my test button placement. Thank you.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 28, 2013, 10:31:20 PM An MPU board will run you anywhere from free to hundreds of dollars....it all depends on how nice you are and who you talk to...lol
When a fellow member asks you a question, it's good to answer if you can...it probably would have been easier than going back and searching for which Reply #'s were associated with the question someone asked that was trying to help you. I try to read the entire thread whenever possible to get the best feel for what is happening with your machine - not everyone reads the entire threads here. I'm glad that you are trying to get an MPU board.....it is ALWAYS good to have a working spare board in case of future troubleshooting problems. The Test button on an S+ are located sometimes in various locations around the machine. I don't know why IGT changed the locations but on the oldest S+'s, they were located on the MPU cage on the front of it. Later, IGT moved the Test switch to the front of the power switch box up under the reel shelf on the right. They also sometimes placed the Test button BEHIND that power switch box too and many people that are new with this machine don't know this. Yes, I was just joking around when I said are you trying to quiz me because you asked me if "Are we sure I have an S+?". I knew that I was sure because I have been working with the S+ platform quite a long time. Judging from reading the posts and Replies in your thread - I was very easily able to determine that your machine is an S+. There are many NLG members that have been on this website for years and years that will be better able AND willing to help you if you give us as much details as you can about your machine whenever they ask you. We are just slot homeowners here and we are are too help each other out and have a bit of fun with our hobby! Remember, the more you tell us - the better we can help you! :71- Good luck on your search for some spare parts for your machine! :89- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on February 28, 2013, 10:53:40 PM Thank you for your help. I will answer as best as I can. Where are the ss and sp chips on my board? I have a games reel chip, CMOS, and 2 others I can't read.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 01, 2013, 03:15:41 AM Maybe a recap is in order. First you have had three of the very best posting in this thread. Poppo, Knagl, and Bunker know how to fix a S +, me I have a long list of phone numbers to call for help.
Now way back at the start of all this, we came up that your power cord to the MPU is not in the best of shape. You wiggled it around and got power. I would solder the wires to the mother board like the picture I posted. There is one thing you can count on with a S+ and that is that power cord is bad are it's getting ready to be bad. To me it looks like your test button is bad, but you check it with a meter and it tested good. ( Are you sure ?? ) If it is in fact good I would trace those two wires and test them to see if by chance one of them is broken. I don't think we ever went here but next time you have the MPU out take a look at the pins that plug into the mother board and see if one of them is bent over. The SP chip is marked on your board as GAME and the SS is the REEL chip they are right next to your comos chip. I would have to want a MPU pretty bad to pay over 50 dollars for one. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 01, 2013, 04:16:40 AM Here is a free download for a manual just in case you need one:
http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=72&product_id=385 (http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=72&product_id=385) Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 01, 2013, 12:59:46 PM This is not THAT important right now but when you pushed the button the MPU case, you said that it wasn't white in color.
Can you take a photo of that "test" button and post it up here? I have never seen a Test button of any other color on an S+ other than white. The colors of the two wires connecting to that switch SHOULD be a yellow w/ gray stripe and another that is the solid green ground wire. Also, another reason you're NOT hearing a "ding" sound is because your volume potentiometer dial is turned down too far to the right. Turning the dial towards the left increases the volume. Also, are the two wires to the door speaker even connected? The MPU cage were placed in two locations in an S+ machine at various times by IGT. At 1st, they were located on the left-hand side of the cabinet wall in the machine. Later on, IGT moved the MPU cage onto the back wall when they changed to the newer power supply boxes. When they did this, the Test button was moved up to the power switch box location. But the wires remained to be the same colors. The easiest way in the world to test for sound is to simply open the door and press the Service Coin Switch on the coin-in optic sandwich board located under the CC - this adds up to the max bet on your game and makes a "ding" sound if the speaker is connected and the volume is turned up. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: JFWilder on March 01, 2013, 01:09:01 PM Hi...newbie here...just got 1st IGT S+ Haywire. Trying to figure out the very basics...about where IS the test button?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 01, 2013, 01:20:27 PM On the S+ platform, IGT installed the Test button in 3 locations throughout it's run.
At first, when the MPU cages were located on the left-hand side wall of the cabinet, the Test button was located on the front of the MPU cage on top of the 24-pin door harness Molex. ( Not to confuse anyone :72- but this was also the time when the power switch was located on the floor next to the hopper tracks too!) Later on, IGT engineers and machine designers moved the Test button up to the power switch box area. They moved the MPU cage to the back wall of the machines' cabinet and installed the large rectangular new power supply boxes on the floor on the right-hand side. When they moved the Test button up the power switch area, they made a hole for the Test button either on the front of the small power switch box next to the power switch or directly BEHIND it where newbies couldn't find it!!! :182- :96- The colors of the two wires that connect to that Test button have always remained the same though. :214- One wire had a yellow w/grey stripe and the other was solid green ground wire. :71- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: dpalmi on March 01, 2013, 02:03:58 PM Here is a picture of 1 of the 3 locations. This is next to the power switch on the front.
Dan #2 Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 01, 2013, 11:40:39 PM dpalmi mine is not like that. If I could refer you to reply number 14 I posted 2 pictures with the help of buzz. One shows the button that I am using as the test button. It is on the MPU cage directly below the empty harness below the red tape. Bunker I have turned the volume button on top of the MPU many times in both directions. The wires attached to this switch are yellow with grey racer and a solid green. And I now have the volume in the middle and get no ding with either test button or the one below the coin comparator. I'm waiting on a reply for a new board. Thanks
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 01, 2013, 11:51:25 PM Ok. When I turn it on I shut the door. My hopper is not in... My coin tray is not on... I have a 61. I turn key and 61 goes away. Every 5th time I hit the spin reels button it spins right to left and stops in the same spot. I get different numbers in the winner paid, credits and coins played . For example in that order 1 01, 3, 2... Hit it agin it is 1 01, 4, 2 each time I hit the spin button it has different numbers as well. What's going on???
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 02, 2013, 01:00:00 AM Let me ask a couple of more questions that have maybe already been ask. Have you ever seen the machine work ?? When you first turn the machine on do the reels do their boot up thing stopping #3, #2, #1 in that order ??By the way, when the power is turned off on a machine and turned back on the reels will spin and always stop on the last game played.
I'm thinking you don't have a 61 error, the last time the machine paid out it paid 61 coins. With the main door open, turn on the machine, if the reels spin and stop on boot up, install the hopper, Good chance you will hear a dong. Now right below the coin comparator is the coin optics board, you should see a very very small button press it a couple of times and here again you should hear a dong. Now with the main door still open press the spin button. I hope the reels spun and played one game. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 02, 2013, 01:11:00 AM Yes the machine worked very well for 2 years after I bought it. Then the 12 came up. Replaced the battery. I've done everything that has been mentioned to this point . Door is open I turned it on wheels jumped a little bit but did not rotate in any order. Installed hopper no noise. Shut door 61 in the winner paid window. Top 2 lights flashing but bottom one is about 2 times faster then top one. Nothing happens when I push button. Am now turning off till next posting. Thank you
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 02, 2013, 01:22:17 AM Go back to that power harness from the power supply to the mother board, slid it up and down a few times on the mother board, turn on power and see if the reels spin.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 02, 2013, 01:39:27 AM Ok I pressed together every connection shoved hopper in and got a ding (or dong) with door open I have in the winner paid window a alternating 3100 and 1... In coin played a zero at the same time as the 1 in winner paid .... The reels did not spin
Shut door nothing. Turned off number changed to 61 wheels still not spinning Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 03, 2013, 12:01:07 AM Not that important but are you missing a fuse in the top fuse location on the back panel over the power supply area?
There needs to be an 8A quick blow fuse in there. Top fuse=8A Middle fuse=6A Bottom fuse=8A. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 03, 2013, 12:16:59 AM I have a fuse and holder there. The fuse holder is too large for that spot, it hangs behind it. All three fuses are good. Thanks for noticing. It came that way
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 03, 2013, 12:22:07 AM I edited my post...I meant to say quick-blow fuses.
Too many people throw in slow-blow fuses - which are the wrong kind. Make sure they're the right amps. I'm trying to rule out a few things. I noticed you said you got a "ding" sound when you shoved the hopper in. That proves that your speaker is functioning at least. Can you try something for me? With the door open and machine powered on and no hopper installed, see if the reel baskets are in their "stiff" fixed position. Now wiggle the motherboard power harness close the motherboard while watching the reels. Do they "jiggled" as you slide that power Molex on the motherboard pins? If so, then I think your motherboard power harness has oxidized receptor pins. The receptor pins are shot and do not grasp the male motherboard pins well enough to allow the circuitry to have sufficient ground. Pull off the Molex from the motherboard and flip it around and inspect with good lighting... You will see one of the green ground receptor pins making the Molex housing browned out from the "arcing" that was taking place inside of the housing casing. You either need a new harness or need to solder the motherboard power harness onto the motherboard male pins like in Buzz's motherboard picture. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 03, 2013, 12:27:18 AM Well now we know the speaker is good and we know your not in a 61 error because your now in a hopper error (3100) To clear a 3100 just open and close the main door, make sure the latch goes all the way down.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 03, 2013, 12:37:38 AM Ok I pressed together every connection shoved hopper in and got a ding (or dong) with door open I have in the winner paid window a alternating 3100 and 1... In coin played a zero at the same time as the 1 in winner paid .... The reels did not spin Shut door nothing. Turned off number changed to 61 wheels still not spinning I can get the wheels to spin every once in a while. But not every time. 3100 went away now all kinds of numbers are showing up. I'm waiting on an answer from a poster with a board. Should have by Thursday. I still appreciate all the help Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 03, 2013, 12:40:35 AM Well now we know the speaker is good and we know your not in a 61 error because your now in a hopper error (3100) To clear a 3100 just open and close the main door, make sure the latch goes all the way down. I agree with you Buzz... I also think his motherboard power harness is getting bad too...making his machine acting flakey. I hope his cabinet receptor optic okay. If it's not burned out, then maybe it's the emitter optic on the door not putting out the pulse to the receptor. That would make it difficult to get him past the [61-1] code. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 03, 2013, 12:44:32 AM Wheels are in a stiff position. What is the molex? Wheels do not move when I jiggle anything near the motherboard.....EDIT here... I unplugged a harness the longest one on the mother board and the left most wheel jumped a fraction...
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 03, 2013, 12:45:25 AM When I touch the wheels I feel slight vibration
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 03, 2013, 12:55:48 AM OK Mark if he was in a 61 error would or can he get a 3100 untill the 61 is cleared ?? I don't think the machine would do anything until the 61 was cleared. ( He got a dong when installed the hopper with the 61 showing ) That said what if he doesn't hare a 61 error, the machine last paid out 61 coins. I'm grabbing every straw I can. I want to hear this damn thing is working.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 03, 2013, 01:04:18 AM One other thing one of you told me to press the coin optic button, I did and nothing happened. Hope that's not important. I am trying to do all that I'm told to do. If I turn he key and press spin reels button it will occasionally spin the reeks but if I just press the button it comes up with all kinds of numbers. Another thing that has not been addressed is the flashing lights on the candle. Is tis important???
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 03, 2013, 02:42:54 AM It sounds to me like the Door optics are not lining up correctly. You will not be able to clear a 61-1 without the door being closed correctly.
Also the bottom candle light will flash twice as fast as the top which would be another indicator that the door optics are not lined up or disconnected. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 03, 2013, 02:52:47 AM Thats the whole point, he can't get to 61-1 He has a 61 press the test button and nothing happens. Now I ask you because I don't remember do the reels get stiff when the machine is in a 61 error ???????
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 03, 2013, 03:16:03 AM Buzz, I can't be 100 percent sure, but I would think that the reels would be stiff as long as the MPU is supplying the proper power to them, regardless of the error code.
It also occurs to me that if he cannot get the 61 to change to a 61-1 after holding the reset button, that would seem to indicate that his CMOS RAM is bad (which would make sense if he had the chip in backwards). After re-reading the post ... with the battery also in backwards, I would think it would be best to just replace the whole MPU board. Who knows what else may have been damaged by the reversed battery? Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: coorslight115 on March 03, 2013, 03:35:08 AM Thats the whole point, he can't get to 61-1 He has a 61 press the test button and nothing happens. Now I ask you because I don't remember do the reels get stiff when the machine is in a 61 error ??????? Yes Buzz..as long as mpu is suppling power the reels will be stiff. No matter what the errorTitle: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 03, 2013, 03:47:49 AM Yes I know I just installed a board without a cmos chip and the reels were stiff. Reinstalled the cmos, got a 61 error ( reels still stiff ), installed the hopper did not get a dong and did not get a 3100 error.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 03, 2013, 10:27:01 AM The battery was never installed wrong, someone may have assume that earlier in posts. The CMOS was in backwards. I should have a new board this week. The guy I'm buying my board from says the s+ board does not use a CMOS chip. Now i'm really confused!!!
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: coorslight115 on March 03, 2013, 03:39:31 PM The battery was never installed wrong, someone may have assume that earlier in posts. The CMOS was in backwards. I should have a new board this week. The guy I'm buying my board from says the s+ board does not use a CMOS chip. Now i'm really confused!!! The mpu has a ram chip, the backplane motherboard has a cmos chip.Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 03, 2013, 03:54:01 PM genebopp Thanks for the vote of confidence but if I'm a expert the folks posting on the forum for help with a S+ are in trouble. I just made the mistake telling him about the BV door and his machine doesn't have a BV, coin handling only. riothecat I'm guessing your stuck in the 61 loop that I've heard about. Read this thread maybe that will help. http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=17334.0 The cmos they are talking about is right next to the Game chip, just pull it out and short the legs out on a piece of metal. All the chance in the world your gonna need a clear chip. On boot up it's normal for the reels to stop 3, 2, 1 in that order. This post says the cmos is next to the game chip. Now I'm told its on the motherboard. What am I pulling off the Mpu board if not the CMOS? Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 03, 2013, 04:22:21 PM Well who am I to say one way or the other where the cmos chip is placed. Coors says it's on the back plane, the fellow your buying it from says the board doesn't have a cmos. Guess I'm wrong sorry
Huh IGT must be wrong too, my S+ board at U56 is marked CMOS :wtf1- is this, IGT marked all their boards wrong. Shame on them !!!!!!! Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Tilt on March 03, 2013, 04:50:31 PM CMOS RAM IC is on the MPU board, EEPROM is on the motherboard.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 03, 2013, 06:40:25 PM Exactly, see the covered chip with green tape and with the yellow resister next to it in your picture in Reply #14?
The MPU board is etched next to the socket with the letters...>>> "C...M...O...S" Gee! Who are you buying your board from? :72- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 03, 2013, 07:45:42 PM Buzz, I only posted the reply about CMOS because I know you are right. It just didn't make sense. I am going to have the guy I buying it from send me a pic of the board. Bunker... I just put a wtb on the board and he responded. I am in Virgini land here and am relying on the experts here to guide me and teach me the right way. But I got a reply from coors that the CMOS is not on the Mpu. But I have to decide who is guiding me in the right direction. What should I do about the board I'm getting ready to order? Thank still for all who are helping me.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 03, 2013, 08:15:33 PM Okay....blow this up and see what is written there please.
I highlighted the area for you...>>> Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 03, 2013, 08:18:17 PM Bunker I'm not arguing that it is there. I see it. I'm am getting cornfused because I believe some on here are leading me down the wrong path. I am going to assume that you, buzz and knagle(?) are the ones with the right IDEa. Do any of you have the board I need?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 03, 2013, 08:23:08 PM Ask the guy you're buying it from if he's sending you a 10Mhz S+ MPU board.
That's all you both need to know. Can I ask - why did you remove the CMOS chip in the first place? Were you trying to corrupt the chip so the machine would try to reset it? Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 03, 2013, 09:52:58 PM Yes I followed a reply from buzz that said to remove the CMOS and run the legs against metal to corrupt it.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: edski on March 03, 2013, 10:14:19 PM Top 2 lights flashing but bottom one is about 2 times faster then top one. What happens to the lights when you close the door?? Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 03, 2013, 10:28:18 PM When I shut the door top light flashes and bottom one is about twice as fast
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: edski on March 03, 2013, 11:31:58 PM That shows a door is still open.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 03, 2013, 11:36:48 PM Can the door optic be bypassed?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: edski on March 03, 2013, 11:51:55 PM Can the door optic be bypassed? Yes. But the "Drop Door" is not the main cabinet door. The "Drop Door" is actually not part of the Slot, but is located in the Stand. There would be a wire running from the machine to a door switch in the stand. Most of the time, this is just jumpered. I'm not exactly sure where the jumper would be. Anyone else know?? Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 04, 2013, 12:01:45 AM Does the coin tray ( where the pay out goes have to be attached?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: edski on March 04, 2013, 12:09:04 AM Does the coin tray ( where the pay out goes have to be attached? No. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 04, 2013, 01:29:00 AM Should have board this week. Won't be posting till then except to answer your questions. But is there anything I should do in any particular order before I turn on machine after I install new MPU board
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 04, 2013, 05:34:03 AM I would seriously think about ordering a clear chip/set chip package. You can find one on ebay for about $8. I am in similar shoes, changed the battery and now I am in the 61 loop. It takes a clear chip to get out of it, and for $8 a clear chip on hand would be a good investment. My clear chip will be here Tuesday, so I can hardly wait for the results! Best of luck!
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 04, 2013, 05:41:37 AM Also, I would not worry too much about the candle flashes for now. I have the same, slow on top, fast on bottom, until I get to the 61, hit the test button, get the 61-1 and a ding, close the door, and hit the reset key. At that point i get the top on slow and the bottom dark. I also get the 61 again.....which is why I am stuck in the loop. :(
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 04, 2013, 06:33:18 AM On my board it is just as in the pic, the CMOS chip is next to the game chip. It clearly says CMOS on the board just as the pic indicates. I also tried the suggestion to ground all pins, but it did not work for me. Details are important. FYI, you have an older game and it should be a 10mhz. The 10mhz has the volume control on the board, which I think you mentioned previously. The 16mhz is newer and the volume is programmable. All of this I learned by reading older posts here in just the past 6 days.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on March 04, 2013, 10:40:24 AM I have an splus that the lowers candle will flash every time that the door is opened and will continue to flash until the first game is played. So if my machine was to have an unresolved error the upper candle would flash and I was to open the door the lower candle would flash till a game was played. If it still had the error I would not be able to play a game so the lower would flash forever. I do have a different splus that the candle stops flashing soon after closing the door. I dont know why there is a difference. The "odds" of your good machine having a dead battery, you touching the mpu AND it developing a optic problem have to be pretty high. I really think I would stick to working on the parts you have already touched.
Its not new information for you but the candle in the video clearly works like the one I have that flashes till you play a game. Funny thing is the machine that I have that stops flashing is a RWB. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4BGwmj_rg4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4BGwmj_rg4) Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 04, 2013, 05:26:27 PM Should have board this week. Won't be posting till then except to answer your questions. But is there anything I should do in any particular order before I turn on machine after I install new MPU board Remove the SS and SP chips from your old MPU and inspect the legs. Make sure that they completely straight when you re-install them in the correct direction onto the new MPU socket holes. The best way to insert these eproms are to line up all the legs on one side into the row of socket holes then firmly and evenly push the chip body against that row while lower the other row of legs down slowly into the socket. Once you have all the legs in partly, push evenly straight down on top of the chip body - to make all the legs go straight down fully into the socket holes. After the SS and SP chips are inserted into their respective sockets, look closely to see if any of the legs have folded under the chip body. If so, pull the chip straight back out, inspect the legs, straighten any bent legs, and try inserting the chip again until all the chips' legs are inserted correctly. Then, inspect the MPU's pin legs (128 pins in all) to make sure THOSE are all good before installing it into the MPU cage. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 06, 2013, 02:04:17 PM Ok, received new board, pulled sp and ss chips, made sure legs were straight, inserted them into slots. Checked battery voltage, 3.5. Put board into machine. Put hopper into machine, shut door turned on an 61 comes up. Now what should I do?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 06, 2013, 02:16:02 PM Press the test button once for a few seconds, you should hear a "ding",
close the door and make sure the latch is fully down and turn the reset key once. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 06, 2013, 02:28:08 PM Ok first still can't get it to ding. But turned the key and 007 in wp window 007 in credit window. 0 and 1 alternating in cp window.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 06, 2013, 02:35:33 PM When you had a [61] on the display, it should have turned to [61-1] after you pressed the test button.
If not, then you need to check your test button. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 06, 2013, 02:42:57 PM I've checked it for continuity. It has never done anything and far as dings and dongs. It has the same color wires as a previous post and it just does nothing.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 06, 2013, 03:21:41 PM What do you mean when you say that you're checking for continuity on that switch?
The way to check is to remove the wires from that switch and test the switch with a multimeter upon its tabs. When you close the door, does the candle go out momentarily? Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 06, 2013, 03:46:08 PM I pulled the wires from the switch. I connected my multimeter to switch turned multimeter to ohms pressed button and the multimeter needle moved. I reconnected wires and pressed button with no noise whatsoever... I have never received a noise when I push the button. Nothing in any of the displays have ever changed when I press the button. The top and bottom candle are flashing. I can't tell ou if the bottom one is fast or medium or slow. But it is about 2 times quicker then top. On the subject of the door optics is there a way to bypass those. I was lookin at them a little closer and the one on the machine appears to have a glass object but the one on the door has not that. Also looking back we have nnever discussed dip switches. I've not found any dip switch posts here. If I turn and hold key and press spin button the wheels will spin every 5th time stopping at the same spot. That is the only time the wheels spin. I've checked and rechecked the wiring many times over. I really appreciate all the help and hope I can get this thing fixed soon. Thanks to everyone
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 06, 2013, 06:36:22 PM I guess I should figure out how to bypass door optics. Almost sure that it is stopping my progress.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 06, 2013, 10:23:45 PM The fact that you cannot get the "Ding" sound when you press the reset button is leading me to believe that the switch (and possibly the door optics) wiring harness may not be properly fastened to the Motherboard.
Since the machine was working before you pulled the MPU to replace the battery, is it possible that one of the two main harnesses that connects near the BACK WALL part of your motherboard may have gotten jarred loose when you pulled the MPU board? Can you take a clear picture of the complete Motherboard section and post it for us? :211- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 06, 2013, 10:35:37 PM I can take pics but I cannot post from phone or pad. I can email them. Ifn you want to send me your email address. No concerns about dip switches?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 06, 2013, 11:10:04 PM The DIP switch's on the MPU board will not affect the issue you are having. No need to worry about them.
My Email address is in my profile as well as at the bottom left of each post (the envelope icon that says "mail this user"). Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 06, 2013, 11:18:28 PM Ok I don't see mail this user on post. I see it in your profile but the email is hidden. I see mail this user in my post but not yours
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: xpoc454 on March 07, 2013, 12:02:40 AM I see it the same was as riotecat. no email this user.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 07, 2013, 12:46:08 AM I figured out why my email is not showing. I have "Hide Email from Public" checked. I thought that was referring to NON-Members. :25-
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on March 07, 2013, 12:52:41 AM fyi it still doesn't show. says"hidden"
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 07, 2013, 01:29:48 AM Should I wait a week and start a fresh thread???
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: xpoc454 on March 07, 2013, 01:54:57 AM I see it now at the bottom left.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 07, 2013, 01:59:06 AM Since all of your cable connections to the motherboard are secure and you checked the button for continuity, I would suggest trying a Clear chip to see if that helps.
Question to others ... After pressing the white button for 3 seconds with the audible "Ding", does the LED display change to 61-1 immediately, or AFTER the door is closed? It's been so long since I had to do this, I don't remember. :103- I am wondering if the Door Open Candle indication will remain flashing until the TILT is cleared, or if there is actually a problem with the door optics? I am wondering if these two issues (Error 61 with no audible "Ding" and the Flashing Candle) are related. :103- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: knagl on March 07, 2013, 05:31:12 AM Should I wait a week and start a fresh thread??? No, never. If you do that, your posts will just be moved into this thread. Please never start a second thread for the same issue on the same machine. You'd be depriving folks the troubleshooting information that has already been discussed in this thread, and we'd just go around in circles. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 07, 2013, 07:00:32 AM As someone experiencing this right now, I can say that the 61-1 that comes after pressing the test button until a ding, a second or two, comes before closing the door. After a secure close, a quick turn of the reset key should take you where you want to be. If it does not, you need a clear chip (which arrived yesterday and made my machine work!). Best of luck!
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 07, 2013, 09:33:13 AM As someone experiencing this right now, I can say that the 61-1 that comes after pressing the test button until a ding, a second or two, comes before closing the door. After a secure close, a quick turn of the reset key should take you where you want to be. If it does not, you need a clear chip (which arrived yesterday and made my machine work!). Best of luck! Thanks AnDaLe!! :3- :259- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 08, 2013, 01:20:46 PM Yes...that was a very good post and answer andale! :89-
I know that you JUST went through this and Clea chipped your MPU and motherboard eeprom. :3- I however believe that the door emitter optic or the cabinet receiver optic may not be working properly on riothecat's machine. You can't really check the cabinet receiver optic but you can check the door emitter optic to see if it's working by looking at the emitter diode through a video camera. It will appear like it's "pulsing" or "blue-ish bright". Looking at the receiver optic with a camera does nothing though as it's designed to only receive the emitter light. When the door is closed, these two optics should be perfectly lined up so the cabinet receiver optic sees the door emitter light. If they're not lined up perfectly, you can never get past the [61-1] code when the door is closed. One way to check is to physically remove the door emitter's two screws and with the door almost closed - point the emitter directly against the cab. receiver optic and turn the reset key while you're at [61-1]. If the MPU resets then you know the optics weren't LINED UP properly and they're functional! All you gotta do now is line them up. The emitter optic on the door latch is usually the one that's a bit off...esp. if the two retaining screws have come loose. I just basically loosen and re-tighten the two screws when the holes of the plastic optic holder is in the middle position and get them lined up pretty good. Buzz has showned us a nice way in some of his optic posts how to do it with a magic marker and some tape. It's much easier than removing the reel glass to line them up. Oh! One more thing....the speaker should ALWAYS emit a "ding" sound when the service credit button is depressed on the coin-in optics board adding a credit to the reel glass display. If not, then either the potentiometer volume dial is turned down on the 10 Mhz MPU, or your speaker wires are not connected to the speaker properly. JIM is very good with the Test modes when troubleshooting various functions on an S+, maybe he'll chime in here! I usually refer to the specific SP PSR sheets for the installed SP chip to do these Tests. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 08, 2013, 02:47:55 PM Ok machine optic there is something like a glass eye. On the door optic there is not. The potentiometer for the speaker is at about half. I've only heard it once when I put the coin hopper in. It has never dinged when I pressed the self test button. I have ordered a clear chip so waiting in that. I have never seen a 61-1 code however after I turn the key after pressing the self test button I get a 007 in both windows. Thoughts???
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 08, 2013, 04:51:10 PM Let me clarify what you are saying?
You're saying that there's NO glass in the door EMITTER optic? Is it the black ones then? IGT had three types of lens when they made these things. They used different electronic suppliers at various times but they all did the same job, just looked different really... Remember, the door emitter optic should have two wires going to it: a red one and a black one. The cabinet receiver optic should also have two wires going to it: a red one and a white one. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 08, 2013, 04:57:39 PM Yes the door optic has no glass like the machine side optic.not sure of colors of wires but I've not removed them. I've looks all around the floor for the glass part to no avail. The plastic that holds the emitter is black with 2 screws each.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on March 08, 2013, 05:09:00 PM The optics do look different. I assume it is the receiver (machine side) that has the glass eye and the door side looks very similar but doesn't have that little glass budge on it. I used my phone (razr) and looked at mine. My TV remote looks like a light saber, the optic door optic is a lot harder to see but I can see it on the phone. I know your trying to rule out the optics. But rather than do something crazy, why dont you just extend the wires for one set of optics and duct tape the optics face to face. I know that wouldn't tell you if the receiver has failed but, test leads and duct tape is really easy to reverse.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 08, 2013, 05:10:01 PM Basically, if there's NO glass in there, it's like a broken light bulb. :5-
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 08, 2013, 05:48:25 PM Yes but the door is missing te cats eye the machine has one
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on March 08, 2013, 05:53:10 PM I just looked at both of my splus. they are both the same as you describe.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 08, 2013, 05:58:39 PM Yes but the door is missing te cats eye the machine has one Better go shopping... Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 08, 2013, 06:12:49 PM So genebopp has only 1 glass on machine and bunker what should I shop for?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 08, 2013, 06:19:57 PM Why not take a picture of the door emitter and the cabinet receiver
and post them here? Can you not borrow a decent camera? :129- Please give me better details...I have several pieces of glass on my machine? :5- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 08, 2013, 06:29:43 PM Pics yes but can't figure out how to post from iPad or iPhone. But seems to be the same style optics as genebopp. I can send pics tonight after 7. Sorry but my laptop puked and can't afford another right now. As far as further explaining . The optics ... The door side has a black piece of plastic about half way down door with a small brass round thing mounted inside of it. On machine side the same
Thing except the machine side has a "glass eye" in it. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on March 08, 2013, 06:54:45 PM OK, so you have an IPAD. I just tried my ipad 2. Its camera does show the optic flashing. The optic on the door is the sender. It flashes IR. I took out the florescent light above the reels so make my observation easier to see. The optic doesn't flash much. I had the machine on, using my IPAD 2 i could see the optic flashing dimly. I pulled the plug out of the wall. The optic dimmed down slowly. I put the plug back in the wall. The optic instantly glowed much brighter that it ever had before (no flashing, just on). Right before the reels spun, it went out for a second, then started its flickering pattern. My door optic is just about flush with the brass housing. The machine optic has a fish eye bulge to it.
Obviously, none of that tests the machine side optic. But if you try what I did, you should see if the sender is working. The instant I powered up the machine the optic lit up. There was no time for anything to power up. As soon as the machine got power the optic lit. I cant tell you whats wrong, I am just trying to tell you what is supposed to happen. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 08, 2013, 07:30:25 PM Thank you. I'll try that tonight. So the door side optic has a glass or no?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on March 08, 2013, 07:37:36 PM it does not have a fish eye. There could be a little piece of flat glass inside the brass case, but to tell for sure I would have to poke it with a pin and I dont really want to do that. But I would really doubt that glass or no glass, if it makes IR signals that is not your problem.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on March 08, 2013, 07:43:31 PM I went and poked my S2000 with a pin. The optics are bypassed in that one so I didnt care if i damaged it. The part looks exactly the same as the Splus. The face of the optic is clear plastic that is flush with the brass case.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: dpalmi on March 08, 2013, 07:51:01 PM Here is a video that stayouttadabunker posted showing what the emitter optic will look like via a camera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OIdPdiLXM_s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OIdPdiLXM_s) Dan #2 Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 08, 2013, 08:33:03 PM I will wait for my clear chip and then post back. Thanks for all the help to this point
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 08, 2013, 10:23:28 PM OK If you have the 61 flashing in the winner paid window that is exactly what you have, last time machine paid out it paid 61 coins. If you have 61 in the credits window you have a 61 error. As for as I can see this friggen machine has never had a 61 error in this thread.
We know the power harness from the power supply to mother board is not good. Me I question if the test button is any good or maybe a broken wire from test button to mother board. And now looks like the optics are junk. Bypass the optics, run a small gauge wire from the Black/red tracer door side to Green optic wire cabnet side and let us know what happened. DO NOT DO A CLEAR Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 08, 2013, 11:43:34 PM Does it matter that the 61 is not flashing?
I tested continuity from test switch to motherboard for test button, good. I close door turn key get a 007 in top to windows with alternating 0 and 1 in bottom window. Top light flashes and bottom light is flashing twice as fast. If I turn key and hold and press spin reels 4 or 5 times the reels spin right to left and stop same spot. And it will as long as I press spin wheels 4 it 5 times. I feel as though we may have stumbled upon something here. Thoughts??? Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 09, 2013, 12:08:41 AM Actually, the 61 does not flash and is in the winner paid window. Now that my machine is running, i cannot replicate the 61, but i just checked the manual and the tilt codes are in the winner paid window. If you have a solid 61 in the winner paid window immediately after a power up cycle and BEFORE touching anything, then you have a 61 BAD CMOS error.
At that point you would hold the test switch until a ding, then should have a 61-1 (which I know is not happening for you). This will happen before closing the door and before touching the reset key. If you cannot get to a ding and a 61-1 then closing the door is not going to do you any good and is not an indication that your door optics are bad. Can you confirm exactly what happens upon power up with the door open? What you get what and where on the display BEFORE doing anything other than trying your test switch to get the ding and the 61-1? Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 09, 2013, 01:19:05 AM I turned it on. Before I shut the door I have a 61 in the winner paid window. Top light flashing bottom light flashing 2times faster. Door still open.... Your turn
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 09, 2013, 01:29:48 AM Ok on the optics the door has a glass shield. The machine side has a glass eye. No flashes from either side with iPad camera. The wires on the door side... Before the clip purple and green after the clip black and pink (red) machine side before clip green and yellow after the clip white and red. None of three have tracer colors, the purple on the door side could be a purple with black tracer.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 09, 2013, 02:20:10 AM DON"T cut any wires !! Unplug the optics plug, stick one end of your jumper wire into the female end of the plug and replug them tograther. Do the same thing on the other end. If you need to pretend the door is open or closed, cut the jumper wire, connect it together for door closed disconnect for door open. Make sure it doesn't touch ground.
OK door side it is Black with Purple. Cabnet side the wire thats Green sometimes it has a different color tracer. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 09, 2013, 02:25:52 AM So put jumper wire on the black with purple on door side and the machine side on he green? And do not touch any metal :131-
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 09, 2013, 02:40:13 AM I don't know how to explane it any other way. You are only going to use one jumper wire. Connect it to the Black Purple on the door and the Green on the cabnet.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 09, 2013, 02:47:20 AM Ok did that.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 09, 2013, 02:51:25 AM After that I pulled coin hopper out and pushed in and now have a 3100 in winner paid. I'll post more tomorrow after 530 eastern time. Thanks o much. I feel we re making progress
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 09, 2013, 03:00:43 AM 3100 should clear by opening and closing door. Which now means you must disconnect and reconnect jumper wire.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 09, 2013, 03:05:27 AM Did that. At least 61 quarters in it. Still same. I'll check tomorrow for more suggestions. Thanks again
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 09, 2013, 03:52:51 AM A rundown:
You got a Tilt code of 12. You replaced the battery and tried the CMOS ground trick that did not work for me either. You may or may not have had both the new battery and the CMOS chip backwards, but in the end you got a 61. You got a replacement board. I assume you installed your game and reel chips. I also assume there was a CMOS chip on the new board and you did not pull the old one to use it on the new one. After ALL of that, and immediately upon power up, you still get a 61 and you get nothing when you push and hold the test switch. Same thing happening with BOTH boards. If you don't get a ding and a 61-1 then there is no reason to continue on without finding out why your test switch function is not working. Without a 61-1 there is no reason to be concerned with the door optics, as you need the 61-1 BEFORE you close the door. I know you said you tested the test switch. I assume that means you used a continuity tester and got a buzz when pushing the button?? If you did, then I would trace the wires all the way back to the motherboard. On my unit the MPU is a simple lift and remove, but from what I understand yours is the older design. I also have my test switch next to my power switch, so I have no idea what yours looks like, but I do know it is down in the MPU board area, about half way down and in front of it. I would REALLY be concerned as to why you get no response from this switch. I would try tracking it all the way back to the connector and try jumping it there while in the 61 state. Jump it for about 3 seconds to see what you get. DO NOT TOUCH THE KEY during that time. The same as you, while in a 12 and even in the 61, by turning the reset key I got all different kinds of displays.....but that was because I was in the stats program due to turning the key to see what would happen. Somewhere in there I even got a 3100. I also learned that you do not need to be concerned about the hopper until you get past the 61. I actually bought a hopper thinking mine was dead...ordered it with my clear chip......did not need it. My old hopper is fine. Considering that your machine was fine for 2 years, then you got a 12, then you changed the battery......and what followed that has resulted in a 61 TILT ERROR.....based on my very recent BUT limited experience, I still say your #1 issue right now is to find out why your test button is not working. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 09, 2013, 09:57:18 AM AnDaLe!... Very nice summations. Everything is correct as you have it except the battery was never in wrong. I have tested the tester switch to the mother board(pulled harness and tested thru the harness). So switch has continuity to the motherboard. I'm sorry this is baffling but in my karmatic life this is typical of problems that I encounter. Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 10, 2013, 04:26:48 AM OK, so from the point that the switch connects to the motherboard (the connector), you get an on and off when testing the switch? You are attaching your probes in the connector and getting an on/off response when you push the test switch?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 10, 2013, 09:01:54 AM OK, so from the point that the switch connects to the motherboard (the connector), you get an on and off when testing the switch? You are attaching your probes in the connector and getting an on/off response when you push the test switch? Yes I am getting response to multimeter through the harness. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 10, 2013, 06:33:21 PM I completely agree with AnDaLe!! The Error 61 TILT code should be addressed FIRST. :81-
It is entirely possible that the door optics may not even be activated until the Tilt is cleared. :60- Stick with your original plan and wait for the CLEAR chip. Once you use the Clear chip, then we can proceed as necessary. :89- Right now your machine is telling you that you have a bad CMOS Eprom, which is normally correctable by the test button. The test button should re-load the data located in the EEPROM back into the CMOS RAM. The fact that it is not working MAY indicate corrupted EEPROM data. :103- Using the CLEAR chip should reset any corrupted data back to factory defaults. :89- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 10, 2013, 11:33:01 PM Not that we needed this to add to the mystery, but I just picked up an S+ Double Diamond. Built in 96 with a 10mz MPU mounted in the back, like my existing machine. The guy was selling it because it did not work. 12 Tilt code. I told him it was just the battery and offered to change it for him, but he still wanted to sell it. Got it for $300 with a metal stand and 2-500 count bags of tokens he never used. No bill acceptor, it had been removed (he got it on ebay).
I changed the battery, powered up, got a 61. DID NOT GET ANYTHING WHEN HOLDING THE TEST SWITCH. I know the test switch worked because i used it while still in the 12 state. Went ahead and closed the door and turned the reset one quick turn. All went blank for a moment, then reels spinned, then I had an insert coin light. Dropped coins and got play. DID NOT GET TO A 61-1. Only thing I can think is that I got a normal response to a 61 instead of getting caught in the 61-1 loop. Rio, what happens when from power-up, and then a 61, then closing the door and a quick single turn of the reset key? What do you get on your displays? Very important not to turn that key more than one quick time at this point. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 11, 2013, 12:03:18 AM AnDaLe!, did you notice if the candle was still flashing AFTER you closed the door, but BEFORE you turned the reset key?
I also take it that the 61 TILT code stayed on the display until you turned the reset key? Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 11, 2013, 12:30:11 AM I should have paid more attention, but I was not expecting anything to happen. I am pretty sure the 61 was there until I turned the key, but I am not 100%. This machine came without the candle installed, it was down in the stand. Guess I better get it attached!
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: knagl on March 11, 2013, 01:15:13 AM For what it's worth, some of the really old SP chips don't go to 61-1, the game just spins up after you go through the process. Most SP chips follow the 61, 61-1, cleared pattern, however.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 11, 2013, 01:50:40 AM Then if that is the case on this machine it would not respond after a 61 when pushing the test button....just like mine did today. At that point, shut the door, turn the key, and see what happens. What is the immediate display?
Found some interesting related info in an old post from 2009 that is worth reading. Talks about a machine doing similar stuff and 3100 and door optics. http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=4386.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=4386.0) Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CVslots on March 11, 2013, 02:19:07 AM Wow...lots of posts on this one....
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: OldReno on March 11, 2013, 02:25:54 AM A silly question: Are all of your socketed chips in facing the right way? You can feel a notch in one end of each of them, and if any one of them is in wrong that will cause problems.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CVslots on March 11, 2013, 02:33:00 AM Yah, I hear ya, Craig/OldReno....we're kinda reinventing the wheel here....I'm sorry, I know...to someone who is new to slots, it's HARD!!! No denying that! But we need to FOLLOW instructions...do NOTHING without instruction...and proceed accordingly....
I'm sorry....I'm not in this....so disregard if I am out of line..... Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: OldReno on March 11, 2013, 04:17:38 AM Well, I didn't have time to read all 7 pages, so I probably stuck my nose in where I shouldn't. My error.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 11, 2013, 03:13:34 PM Ok!!! Lots of questions for me to answer. I'll do my best to answer all. Yes the chips are all in with notch...(edited for misspelled word) facing the same way....when I first turn the machine with door open it shows a 61 in the top window. I shut the door and turn the key and 007 shows in top 2 windows and alternating 0 1 in bottom window. If I happen to turn the key and hold key on and hit spin reels 4 times they spin backwards stopping in the same spot every time.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 11, 2013, 04:17:56 PM Nobody is out of line here as far as I'm concerned. I have however followed everything I have been told to do. I just believe there are so many different things I've been
Told to do that something bad could ( not necessarily did) but could have happened. I do however appreciate all those that have posted to my concern. I'll wait for my clear chip before I post again. By the way does anyone have a link to post as to the proper way to use a clear chip? Thanks again. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: JFWilder on March 11, 2013, 06:48:01 PM I don't know how it got fixed, but after trying the reset and everything mentioned here, I accidentally got the coin chute jammed and took out the quarter in the comparator, put it back and shut the door. Then error code 67 showed up...closed the door...powered down/up and then 61 showed up again...did the test button and DING....this time it worked, went to 61-1, turned the reset, closed the door again and it worked.
Now...I think I will have to use a RAM CLEAR chip though, since when I put in coins, that total in keeps increasing, but the paid out never changes any longer...and my machine seems to win at an ever-increasing rate. Still....in 3 weeks never hit 777 or 3 wilds (though I figured 3 wilds is rare). Anybody else figure RAM CLEAR will work? Coins in showing 7000+ and increasing....paid at 1558 and holding tight. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Buzz on March 11, 2013, 07:10:17 PM Now...I think I will have to use a RAM CLEAR chip though, since when I put in coins, that total in keeps increasing, but the paid out never changes any longer...and my machine seems to win at an ever-increasing rate. Still....in 3 weeks never hit 777 or 3 wilds (though I figured 3 wilds is rare). Anybody else figure RAM CLEAR will work? Coins in showing 7000+ and increasing....paid at 1558 and holding tight. Let me see if I have this correct, you put in a higher paying chip and now you have a chip that pays out to often !! :103- :103- I see a simple solution and that doesn't involve using a clear chip. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: dpalmi on March 11, 2013, 07:23:30 PM Still....in 3 weeks never hit 777 or 3 wilds (though I figured 3 wilds is rare). I have owned my Tabasco machine for 5 years and have never hit the top award!! :25- :25- :25- :25- Dan #2 Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on March 11, 2013, 08:19:24 PM If I am understanding the reel stops right, doesnt that make the odds about 250,000 to 1 on each pull? Do people really see big jackpots at home?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 11, 2013, 08:46:41 PM Now...I think I will have to use a RAM CLEAR chip though, since when I put in coins, that total in keeps increasing, but the paid out never changes any longer...and my machine seems to win at an ever-increasing rate. Still....in 3 weeks never hit 777 or 3 wilds (though I figured 3 wilds is rare). Anybody else figure RAM CLEAR will work? Coins in showing 7000+ and increasing....paid at 1558 and holding tight. Not hitting the larger payout amounts such as 777 and higher is not uncommon. Using a RAM CLEAR chip is unnecessary and will not change the rate of winning. The payout percentage is determined by your SS Reel Chip. See ... http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/ (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/) to look up which chip you have to see what the percentage is set at. Also note that the payback percentage listed is averaged over millions of spins. So you may go a very long time without hitting anything substantial, or you could hit a jackpot several times over a short period. Winning is simply determined by stopping the Random Number Generator (Pressing the spin button) at the right time. If the numbers generated matches up with a winning combination, you will win. There are many more no win numbers generated than there are wins. There are many, many more Low value win combinations than there are higher value win combinations. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: JFWilder on March 11, 2013, 10:29:20 PM Thanks for the replies. I can't complain on the winning....and the feedback is helpful. I am reading it right when I turn the reset key there are 2 numbers showing on the winner paid and credits lights and one is paid out and one is coins in? That's what I've been told.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: shortrackskater on March 11, 2013, 10:35:17 PM This thread is getting confusing!
Are there two separate members with two different problems posting here now? Last I read a day ago was the 61-1 problem??? I need a drink! :154- :140- :152- :252- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: cowboygames on March 11, 2013, 10:42:35 PM riothecat is the origional poster and couldn't clear a 61 code after a battery change. Reads like one or two others with the same problem have jumped in and got theirs fixed since the first chapter of the book though
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 12, 2013, 03:11:35 AM Rio, what happens when you close the door after a restart but BEFORE you turn the key? Anything at all? Did you give it time to restart (just in case that might happen)?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 12, 2013, 06:12:50 AM Rio, I found this post and sounds like something that relates and you might try. Ignore the JFWilder post (the same guy found here in your post talking about his issues). Talks about a trick with the door sensor to get past 61 to 61-1.....worst thing could be that it does not work for you, but it is certainly interesting. Give it a try and let us know. Keep your hands off the reset key unless you get a 61-1 and shut the door. At that point a turn of the key would be appropriate.
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10946.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10946.0) BE ADVISED THAT IN THE POST WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT THE RESET BUTTON I AM 100% SURE HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE TEST BUTTON. Here is a copy of the most important post: ____________________________________________________________________________________________ I had this dreaded problem this week with my S+. Here is what I had to do. 1. Open the door and disconnect the door optic not on the door but the case. red and white wire 2. turn on the slot until the 61 appears. 3. Now press the reset button until the 61-1 is displayed 4. reconnect the optic 5. close the door and turn the key now After I got the slot working the reset button now works correctly. ____________________________________________________________________________________________ Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 12, 2013, 09:11:39 AM When I first turn the machine on I get a 61 error in the top window. I shut the door and still a 61 error.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 12, 2013, 09:40:36 AM Rio, I found this post and sounds like something that relates and you might try. Ignore the JFWilder post (the same guy found here in your post talking about his issues). Talks about a trick with the door sensor to get past 61 to 61-1.....worst thing could be that it does not work for you, but it is certainly interesting. Give it a try and let us know. Keep your hands off the reset key unless you get a 61-1 and shut the door. At that point a turn of the key would be appropriate. http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10946.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10946.0) BE ADVISED THAT IN THE POST WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT THE RESET BUTTON I AM 100% SURE HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE TEST BUTTON. Here is a copy of the most important post: ____________________________________________________________________________________________ I had this dreaded problem this week with my S+. Here is what I had to do. 1. Open the door and disconnect the door optic not on the door but the case. red and white wire 2. turn on the slot until the 61 appears. 3. Now press the reset button until the 61-1 is displayed 4. reconnect the optic 5. close the door and turn the key now After I got the slot working the reset button now works correctly. ____________________________________________________________________________________________ Ok I did the this that were said to do as follows I disconnected the machine optic. I turned it on. I waited for the 61 it showed up. I pressed the reset button and the 61 went out , a zero flashed in the coins played window and the 61 popEd back up in the winner paid window. Reconnected shut the door and still a 61 error. I held th test button for about 2 minutes and nothing. Was told way back in time in this thread that I should not have to hold it that long. So that is where I am now. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: JFWilder on March 12, 2013, 04:48:59 PM This thread is getting confusing! Are there two separate members with two different problems posting here now? Last I read a day ago was the 61-1 problem??? I need a drink! :154- :140- :152- :252- [/quot This thread is getting confusing! Are there two separate members with two different problems posting here now? Last I read a day ago was the 61-1 problem??? I need a drink! :154- :140- :152- :252- There were....but my 61 error (the same) didn't clear by following what was recommended...but something else fixed it. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 12, 2013, 11:53:17 PM When you say you hit the reset button do you mean the test button? The test button is the one down by the board. The jackpot reset is the key. The test button is the one you hold, but it only takes a few seconds. Any longer will not do you any good. You should not be holding the reset key.
Hopefully your clear chip will arrive soon and resolve this mystery. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 13, 2013, 12:33:38 AM Yes I meant the test button. I've followed the list of 5 things in the reply above. Still nothing...
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: Jim on March 13, 2013, 02:21:08 AM without knowing what SP chip you have, its possible to never get the "ding" or a 61_1 after pressing the test button. you were probably getting into the book keeping mode when you closed the door and turned the reset key more than one time. you will get all types of goofy numbers.
your best bet at this time is to get your clear chip and clear the machine. you have absolutely nothing to lose trying this . with no bill acceptor you don't have to do anything but clear a 61 code after clearing the machine. you insert the clear chip in the socket where the SP chip is (27C512), make sure the indent on the chip is facing the same direction as the others. when you power up the machine you should hear a ding, then press the test button and watch the numbers count up , it will do it twice. when it is finished, power down, replace the clear chip with the SP chip, pay attention to the indent on the chip, power up , 61 should be on display, press test button, display should do one of two things, display a 61_1 or go blank, if it goes to 61_1, close main door, latch all the way down, turn reset key one time. display should go blank, in a few seconds the reels should spin and now you are ready to see if the machine will work. If the reels spin, make sure you have a coin in the cc-16, then try to insert a coin and see if it will play. If it doesn't DON'T PANIC, don't start turning the reset key, lets see what happens before we try anything else. Jim Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 13, 2013, 03:41:03 AM :244- :244- :244- :244- JIM!
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 13, 2013, 09:11:17 AM Thank you Jim. I'll get back with you after I get my clear chip.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 14, 2013, 12:08:22 PM Ok have clear chip. As I understand it needs to go in to the game prom slot?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on March 14, 2013, 01:39:21 PM I CUT AND PASTED THIS. I HAVE NEVER DONE IT.
S-Plus Ram Clear Procedure Power down machine Remove MPU board Locate and remove SP Game chip Install Ram Clear chip into the same socket paying attention to the chip direction notch Re-install MPU board Power up machine Press white test button two times Observe Credit meter, it will count up two times. When counting is finished , power down machine Remove MPU board Replace Ram Clear chip with SP chip. Re-install MPU Board Power up machine. If equipped with bill validater, proceed to Set Chip instructions Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 14, 2013, 03:24:51 PM Ok... 1st with machine off I pulled the hopper then pulled Mpu.
2nd pulled game chip put in clear chip 3rd put Mpu back in 4th pressed button 2 times no ding no numbers no count up or down. Nothing to this point. Also I DID NOT touch the reset key. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 15, 2013, 02:18:24 AM I am assuming you powered the machine back on before you pressed the test button (you did not list that as a step)... :89-
I am also assuming you installed the clear chip with the notch facing in the correct direction (same as the Game and Reel chip) :89- OK then ... Switch the power back off, Pull the Clear Chip and replace it with the Game Chip. Reinstall the MPU and then power the machine back on (DO NOT Install the Hopper). If you still get the 61 error code, Press the test button ONE time for about 3 seconds ... Don't worry if there is no "Ding". Close the door and make sure the latch is down correctly. Wait for a few seconds ... Turn the Reset key ONCE Is 61 still showing on the display? ... Is the Candle still flashing? Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 15, 2013, 06:42:44 PM Is there any possibility that you may have gotten the SP GAME Chip and the SS REEL Chip mixed up?
I noticed in your original posted MPU board picture that both chips are not labeled. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 15, 2013, 07:13:40 PM Is there any possibility that you may have gotten the SP GAME Chip and the SS REEL Chip mixed up? No possibility of that. I noticed in your original posted MPU board picture that both chips are not labeled. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on March 15, 2013, 08:57:05 PM Well, just thinking about all you have done the one thing that has remained constant is that the test button doesnt do anything. Way back on page 1 you didnt know where it was. So you obviously never pushed it while the machine was working. I wonder if it ever worked. Table 3-3 in the manual lists 5 things for when "self test mode will not display" Two things will bring up test pages. The 3 things that are left is the switch is bad, the MPU is bad, or the mother board is bad. I think I would take a really good look again at the switch and its wires. I assume the switch is normally open, but I think I would disconnect the wires completely in case the switch has manage to fail closed. At sometime there must be some voltage going to one side of the switch. I would look for any voltage on one side of the switch. If you never have any volts you know the button is not "connected" and could start looking at the mother board (or connections) instead of BOTH mpu's you have tried.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 15, 2013, 09:28:15 PM Genebopp the only time the test switch did anything was when I turned the machine on the other day and got a 61 and it went away for a second or two then came back. I have actually replaced the switch and tested it at the switch and thru the harness at the mother board with continuity at both ends. I used the two wires that someone way back said were the wires for the switch.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 15, 2013, 09:33:16 PM Ok I have turned the power off. I removed the game chip. I installled the clear chip. I pressed the button 2 times. No candle lights are flashing and no numbers are counting. That's where I am at this moment.... Side note where on the mother board would the chip on the motherboard be that I've seen referenced...
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 15, 2013, 10:39:24 PM I am assuming you powered the machine back on before you pressed the test button (you did not list that as a step)... :89- Did all the above. After turning the key 1 time I have 007 in top window and middle window and 0 1 alternating in coins played window. Both candles are flashing the bottom one two times or so faster then top. I am also assuming you installed the clear chip with the notch facing in the correct direction (same as the Game and Reel chip) :89- OK then ... Switch the power back off, Pull the Clear Chip and replace it with the Game Chip. Reinstall the MPU and then power the machine back on (DO NOT Install the Hopper). If you still get the 61 error code, Press the test button ONE time for about 3 seconds ... Don't worry if there is no "Ding". Close the door and make sure the latch is down correctly. Wait for a few seconds ... Turn the Reset key ONCE Is 61 still showing on the display? ... Is the Candle still flashing? Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 16, 2013, 01:05:49 AM OK. The numbers you are sing after turning the reset key is the Statistical data that is currently stored on the Motherboard EEPROM. That Data should be cleared with the Clear chip if it had been working correctly.
This would also indicate that your EEPROM has NOT been damaged. We know that the test button electrically functions (you confirmed that fact). It would appear that the EEPROM is also working. So Here is what is left that would cause the 61 TILT ... Damaged SP (Game) Chip - possibly caused by miss aligned pin in socket or inserted backwards Damaged Motherboard - open circuit trace or bad solder joint Please send me a clear close up picture of the REPLACEMENT MPU board that you received and I will post it here. Perhaps one of us may be able to spot something that may help. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 16, 2013, 01:36:55 AM Here are the MPU pics that Kevin sent ...
Very clean looking board. :89- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 16, 2013, 01:37:34 AM More ...
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 16, 2013, 01:41:11 AM The Last Two ...
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 16, 2013, 02:02:31 AM The new MPU looks very good to me.
I would suggest getting a replacement SP (Game) Chip and try that next. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: knagl on March 18, 2013, 02:06:33 AM I would suggest getting a replacement SP (Game) Chip and try that next. I'm not so sure. If the clear chip isn't working properly, there's an issue that isn't related to the SP chip. Ok I have turned the power off. I removed the game chip. I installled the clear chip. I pressed the button 2 times. No candle lights are flashing and no numbers are counting. That's where I am at this moment.... I know this is what you said you've been doing, but just to make sure, below are directions that bunker previously posted on how to use the clear chip. If you're not getting the expected results, I don't think a different SP (Game) chip will do much good. There could be something wrong with the motherboard. Open the door, power off, remove the tray and hopper from the machine. Take out the MPU board and place it on the bench with good lighting. Remove the "Game Prom" SP chip from the U52 socket location. Install the Ram Clear chip here. Make sure the eprom notch is facing towards the etched print on the board that says "Game Prom". Adjust the blue potentiometer volume to the middle position for sound. With the power off, place the MPU back into the machine. Leave the hopper and tray out for now. Turn the power switch on. If your speakers work, you should hear a "ding". Look at the display on the front door. There should be a [zero] in the Winner Paid window and a [zero] in the Coins Played window. Open the door slightly, reach in and press the little white Test button once - while keeping an eye on the front door's display panel. Get used to seeing how this Clearing process works. You'll hear another "ding" The Winner Paid window will change to a [0-2], and the credits will run a count-up until it displays [999]. It will stop as if nothing is happening except for the bottom half of your candle flashing like crazy. This means the Clear process is finished. If you want to see it again, press the little white Test button again. It doesn't hurt to run the Clear process over again. At least you'll get to see what you missed the first time...lol Open the door, turn off the power, remove the MPU board and bring it back to the bench. Now, remove the Clear chip from the socket, and re-install the SP Game chip with the notch in the correct direction. (Which is facing away from the blue volume adjustment potentiometer dial) Go ahead and put the whole thing back into the machine, along with the hopper and coin tray. Turn on the power switch. See the [61] in the Winner Paid window? Reach in and hold in the little white Test button while counting "one thousand one, one thousand two" or hum a short little tune. :72- (sorry ...that's what I do anyways...lol) Anyways, the Winner Paid should now show [61-1] after a "ding" sound. Close the door fully, look at the candle. The bottom one is going flashing like nuts but along with the top one- which is blinking slowly. This means you're still messing around with the machine...lol Nah...lol ...Actually it means your door was recently opened and the bottom flashing means the machine is in repair mode. Now for the moment of truth - turn the Reset key on the side of the machine. If you get another error such as [65-3], turn the reset key again and you should get a [65-1] open the door and hold in the little white Test button for a couple of secs. The display panel will go out like it died. Cross your fingers now. Wait a few seconds. The [zero] comes on in the Coins Played window, and reels start their "maiden spin"!!!!!! Close the door and the "Insert Coins" light should come on ready and waiting for you to start playing your machine!!!! Dance a little jig of happiness...lol :136- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 18, 2013, 07:59:55 PM Yes, I completely agree with you that it is possible that the motherboard could be at fault.
My reasoning was to take the lesser of the two evils first... A lot easier to replace the Game chip than to pull the motherboard. :71- Plus, the fact that he is getting Statistical Data when he turns the Key would indicate that it is showing the data stored in the motherboard EEPROM. :103- The reason I thought the Game Chip may be at fault would be that if the game chip was corrupted, I was thinking that it may also result in a 61 TILT code, since the CMOS RAM data must match the GAME program EPROM to clear the TILT. :103- Then again ... If the Game EPROM was bad, another TILT code (62-0) may be showing :25- The more I think about it, the more I tend to agree with you about the motherboard being at fault. Maybe a cracked circuit trace? This is defiantly an interesting issue. :186- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 18, 2013, 08:07:00 PM Where on te motherboard would the chip be?
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: genebopp on March 18, 2013, 08:21:31 PM I bought an other S-plus today. The former owner claimed he was just playing it and it stopped. Narrowed it down to something about the MPU was bad. I took the MPU out of my Wild cherry and put it in the new inop Double Diamond. The Wild Cherry board powered up and left a 61 in the winner paid window. I pushed the test button and the winner paid went dark and DID NOT ding. I closed the door and the game played. When I returned the Wild Cherry MPU to the Wild cherry machine the exact same thing happened. It showed a 61, pushed the test button, display went dark without a ding and that machine returned to normal with all it original parts. I examined the DD MPU closely the Game chip had one folded over leg and 2 broken off legs. I straighten the bent one and soldered bell wire on to the chip to make new legs. When I put the MPU back in the machine the the symptoms were the same as when I brought it home. Stiff reels and no displays. To figure out if I am in the market for a chip or an MPU, I used a clear chip. This is important!!! The directions I cut and pasted for you a few pages ago said to put the clear chip in, then push the test button. The directions that came with my clear chip said to push the "spin reels" button. I pushed "spin reels" and the display counted up like I read it is supposed to. I have never tried this before. I put the game chip back in and that machine is still exactly the same, stiff reels, no display and still didnt work. I shorted all the game chip legs and tried one last time. It actually works. Here are some observations that I made today that might help the guys that are helping you.
When a wild cherry has a 61 and you push the test button the display goes dark and it does not make a ding. My clear chip required me to push the spin reels button not the test button. The candle does flash until the first game is played no matter what the display is doing. Thanks to all the guys helping Rio. You guys inadvertently fixed my new machine without even hearing about it. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 18, 2013, 10:12:24 PM I will try that. And I can't tell everyone if you how much I appreciate your help.
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 18, 2013, 11:47:35 PM This may be important. The following is from knagl...
Open the door, power off, remove the tray and hopper from the machine. Take out the MPU board and place it on the bench with good lighting. Remove the "Game Prom" SP chip from the U52 socket location. Install the Ram Clear chip here. Make sure the eprom notch is facing towards the etched print on the board that says "Game Prom". Adjust the blue potentiometer volume to the middle position for sound. With the power off, place the MPU back into the machine. Leave the hopper and tray out for now. Where he says u 52 my u52 is a very small chip. My game prom is u 57. Thoughts... Concerns Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 19, 2013, 01:31:32 AM Yes, your Game PROM is U57, just a different board revision. :89-
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 19, 2013, 01:34:34 AM I bought an other S-plus today. The former owner claimed he was just playing it and it stopped. Narrowed it down to something about the MPU was bad. I took the MPU out of my Wild cherry and put it in the new inop Double Diamond. The Wild Cherry board powered up and left a 61 in the winner paid window. I pushed the test button and the winner paid went dark and DID NOT ding. I closed the door and the game played. When I returned the Wild Cherry MPU to the Wild cherry machine the exact same thing happened. It showed a 61, pushed the test button, display went dark without a ding and that machine returned to normal with all it original parts. I examined the DD MPU closely the Game chip had one folded over leg and 2 broken off legs. I straighten the bent one and soldered bell wire on to the chip to make new legs. When I put the MPU back in the machine the the symptoms were the same as when I brought it home. Stiff reels and no displays. To figure out if I am in the market for a chip or an MPU, I used a clear chip. This is important!!! The directions I cut and pasted for you a few pages ago said to put the clear chip in, then push the test button. The directions that came with my clear chip said to push the "spin reels" button. I pushed "spin reels" and the display counted up like I read it is supposed to. I have never tried this before. I put the game chip back in and that machine is still exactly the same, stiff reels, no display and still didnt work. I shorted all the game chip legs and tried one last time. It actually works. Here are some observations that I made today that might help the guys that are helping you. When a wild cherry has a 61 and you push the test button the display goes dark and it does not make a ding. My clear chip required me to push the spin reels button not the test button. The candle does flash until the first game is played no matter what the display is doing. Thanks to all the guys helping Rio. You guys inadvertently fixed my new machine without even hearing about it. Awesome! Glad to hear you got yours working! :3- Thanks for the additional information! K+ Every bit helps! :259- Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CVslots on March 19, 2013, 01:40:44 AM it is really nice to see some educated minds putting the pieces together....versus throwing parts at a machine...
Once again., :131- :131- :131- Thank you! Roz Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 21, 2013, 05:08:35 PM Ok we have made some progress. BUZZ sent me three new chips thank you buzz for that. I followed all instructions to the letter (way to much to type here BTW) I got the 61-1 error n winner paid window. I shut the door and now have a 65 3 error in the winner paid window. The instructions that buzz sent has a page of errors and the 65 3 says 2 things can be done at this point 1...recover options & meters by using correct set chip OR turn jackpot reset key to continue power-up proceedure. Game will upgraded to most current format, What shall I do T this point.
Ok I went with turn jackpot key to continue power up ... Great news my machine works. You guys are the bomb :244- :244- :3- :72- :71- :71- :89- :200- :131- :131- :131- I will send my contribution in just a few minutes. Thanks again to all that helped. Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: CommTech on March 21, 2013, 05:25:30 PM Awesome!!! Congratulations on your success!! :3- :3- :3- :wa :136- :105-
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: dpalmi on March 21, 2013, 05:27:12 PM Great job!
I need a drink.... :222- :9- :134- :140- :154- :253- :151- :198- :152- :278- :171- :197- :252- :289- :153- :147- :135- Dan #2 Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: riothecat on March 21, 2013, 05:31:34 PM Many many kudos to BUZZ for the chips and info. I'm afraid that somewhere in he 100000000 replays I did something wrong. But it's fixed and that all the matters. And I just made a small contribution to NLG. Thanks again
Title: Re: Test button??? Post by: AnDaLe! on March 21, 2013, 06:09:02 PM Woo hoo!!! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!!!!
Good job sticking in there! +1 for Buzz and his miracle chips! |