Test button???

[CommTech]

I am assuming you powered the machine back on before you pressed the test button (you did not list that as a step)... 
I am also assuming you installed the clear chip with the notch facing in the correct direction (same as the Game and Reel chip) 

OK then ... Switch the power back off, Pull the Clear Chip and replace it with the Game Chip.
Reinstall the MPU and then power the machine back on (DO NOT Install the Hopper).

If you still get the 61 error code, Press the test button ONE time for about 3 seconds ... Don't worry if there is no "Ding".
Close the door and make sure the latch is down correctly.
Wait for a few seconds ...
Turn the Reset key ONCE
Is 61 still showing on the display?
 ... Is the Candle still flashing?

[CommTech]

Is there any possibility that you may have gotten the SP GAME Chip and the SS REEL Chip mixed up?
I noticed in your original posted MPU board picture that both chips are not labeled.

[riothecat]

Is there any possibility that you may have gotten the SP GAME Chip and the SS REEL Chip mixed up?
I noticed in your original posted MPU board picture that both chips are not labeled.

No possibility of that.

[genebopp]

Well, just thinking about all you have done the one thing that has remained constant is that the test button doesnt do anything.  Way back on page 1 you didnt know where it was.  So you obviously never pushed it while the machine was working.  I wonder if it ever worked.  Table 3-3 in the manual lists 5 things for when "self test mode will not display"  Two things will bring up test pages.  The 3 things that are left is the switch is bad, the MPU is bad, or the mother board is bad.  I think I would take a really good look again at the switch and its wires.  I assume the switch is normally open, but I think I would disconnect the wires completely in case the switch has manage to fail closed.  At sometime there must be some voltage going to one side of the switch.  I would look for any voltage on one side of the switch.  If you never have any volts you know the button is not "connected" and could start looking at the mother board (or connections) instead of BOTH mpu's you have tried. 

[riothecat]

Genebopp the only time the test switch did anything was when I turned the machine on the other day and  got a 61 and it went away for a second or two then came back. I have actually replaced the switch and tested it at the switch and thru the harness at the mother board with continuity at both ends. I used the two wires that someone way back said were the wires for the switch.

[riothecat]

Ok I have turned the power off. I removed the game chip. I installled the clear chip. I pressed the button 2 times. No candle lights are flashing and no numbers are counting. That's where I am at this moment.... Side note where on the mother board would the chip on the motherboard be that I've seen referenced...

[riothecat]

I am assuming you powered the machine back on before you pressed the test button (you did not list that as a step)... 
I am also assuming you installed the clear chip with the notch facing in the correct direction (same as the Game and Reel chip) 

OK then ... Switch the power back off, Pull the Clear Chip and replace it with the Game Chip.
Reinstall the MPU and then power the machine back on (DO NOT Install the Hopper).

If you still get the 61 error code, Press the test button ONE time for about 3 seconds ... Don't worry if there is no "Ding".
Close the door and make sure the latch is down correctly.
Wait for a few seconds ...
Turn the Reset key ONCE
Is 61 still showing on the display?
 ... Is the Candle still flashing?

Did all the above. After turning the key 1 time I have 007 in top window and middle window and 0 1 alternating in coins played window. Both candles are flashing the bottom one two times or so faster then top.

[CommTech]

OK.  The numbers you are sing after turning the reset key is the Statistical data that is currently stored on the Motherboard EEPROM. That Data should be cleared with the Clear chip if it had been working correctly.
This would also indicate that your EEPROM has NOT been damaged.

We know that the test button electrically functions (you confirmed that fact).
It would appear that the EEPROM is also working.

So Here is what is left that would cause the 61 TILT ...

Damaged CMOS Chip - possibly caused by miss aligned pin in socket or inserted backwards  New one came with Replacement MPU.
Damaged SP (Game) Chip -  possibly caused by miss aligned pin in socket or inserted backwards
Damaged Motherboard - open circuit trace or bad solder joint



Please send me a clear close up picture of the REPLACEMENT MPU board that you received and I will post it here.
Perhaps one of us may be able to spot something that may help.

[CommTech]

Here are the MPU pics that Kevin sent ...
Very clean looking board.

[CommTech]

More ...

[CommTech]

The Last Two ...

[CommTech]

The new MPU looks very good to me.

I would suggest getting a replacement SP (Game) Chip and try that next.

[knagl]

I would suggest getting a replacement SP (Game) Chip and try that next.

I'm not so sure.  If the clear chip isn't working properly, there's an issue that isn't related to the SP chip.

Ok I have turned the power off. I removed the game chip. I installled the clear chip. I pressed the button 2 times. No candle lights are flashing and no numbers are counting. That's where I am at this moment....

I know this is what you said you've been doing, but just to make sure, below are directions that bunker previously posted on how to use the clear chip.  If you're not getting the expected results, I don't think a different SP (Game) chip will do much good.  There could be something wrong with the motherboard.

Open the door, power off, remove the tray and hopper from the machine.
Take out the MPU board and place it on the bench with good lighting.
Remove the "Game Prom" SP chip from the U52 socket location.
Install the Ram Clear chip here.
Make sure the eprom notch is facing towards the etched print on the board that says "Game Prom".
Adjust the blue potentiometer volume to the middle position for sound.
With the power off, place the MPU back into the machine.
Leave the hopper and tray out for now.

Turn the power switch on.
If your speakers work, you should hear a "ding".
Look at the display on the front door.
There should be a [zero] in the Winner Paid window and a [zero] in the Coins Played window.
Open the door slightly, reach in and press the little white Test button once - while keeping an eye on the front door's display panel.

Get used to seeing how this Clearing process works.
You'll hear another "ding"
The Winner Paid window will change to a [0-2], and the credits will run a count-up until it displays [999].
It will stop as if nothing is happening except for the bottom half of your candle flashing like crazy.  This means the Clear process is finished.
If you want to see it again, press the little white Test button again. It doesn't hurt to run the Clear process over again. At least you'll get to see what you missed the first time...lol
Open the door, turn off the power, remove the MPU board and bring it back to the bench.

Now, remove the Clear chip from the socket, and re-install the SP Game chip with the notch in the correct direction. (Which is facing away from the blue volume adjustment potentiometer dial)
Go ahead and put the whole thing back into the machine, along with the hopper and coin tray.
Turn on the power switch.

See the [61] in the Winner Paid window?
Reach in and hold in the little white Test button while counting "one thousand one, one thousand two" or hum a short little tune. (sorry ...that's what I do anyways...lol)

Anyways, the Winner Paid should now show [61-1] after a "ding" sound.
Close the door fully, look at the candle.
The bottom one is going flashing like nuts but along with the top one- which is blinking slowly.
This means you're still messing around with the machine...lol
Nah...lol ...Actually it means your door was recently opened and the bottom flashing means the machine is in repair mode.

Now for the moment of truth - turn the Reset key on the side of the machine.
If you get another error such as [65-3], turn the reset key again and you should get a [65-1]
open the door and hold in the little white Test button for a couple of secs.
The display panel will go out like it died.
Cross your fingers now.
Wait a few seconds.
The [zero] comes on in the Coins Played window, and reels start their "maiden spin"!!!!!!
Close the door and the "Insert Coins" light should come on ready
and waiting for you to start playing your machine!!!!
Dance a little jig of happiness...lol

[CommTech]

Yes, I completely agree with you that it is possible that the motherboard could be at fault.
My reasoning was to take the lesser of the two evils first... A lot easier to replace the Game chip than to pull the motherboard.  
Plus, the fact that he is getting Statistical Data when he turns the Key would indicate that it is showing the data stored in the motherboard EEPROM.  

The reason I thought the Game Chip may be at fault would be that if the game chip was corrupted, I was thinking that it may also result in a 61 TILT code, since the CMOS RAM data must match the GAME program EPROM to clear the TILT.  
Then again ... If the Game EPROM was bad, another TILT code (62-0) may be showing  

The more I think about it, the more I tend to agree with you about the motherboard being at fault.  Maybe a cracked circuit trace?

This is defiantly an interesting issue.  

[riothecat]

Where on te motherboard would the chip be?

[genebopp]

I bought an other S-plus today.  The former owner claimed he was just playing it and it stopped.  Narrowed it down to something about the MPU was bad.  I took the MPU out of my Wild cherry and put it in the new inop Double Diamond.  The Wild Cherry board powered up and left a 61 in the winner paid window.  I pushed the test button and the winner paid went dark and DID NOT ding.  I closed the door and the game played.  When I returned the Wild Cherry MPU to the Wild cherry machine the exact same thing happened.  It showed a 61, pushed the test button, display went dark without a ding and that machine returned to normal with all it original parts.  I examined the DD MPU closely the Game chip had one folded over leg and 2 broken off legs.  I straighten the bent one and soldered bell wire on to the chip to make new legs.  When I put the MPU back in the machine the the symptoms were the same as when I brought it home.  Stiff reels and no displays.  To figure out if I am in the market for a chip or an MPU, I used a clear chip.  This is important!!!  The directions I cut and pasted for you a few pages ago said to put the clear chip in, then push the test button.  The directions that came with my clear chip said to push the "spin reels" button.  I pushed "spin reels" and the display counted up like I read it is supposed to.  I have never tried this before.  I put the game chip back in and that machine is still exactly the same, stiff reels, no display and still didnt work.  I shorted all the game chip legs and tried one last time.  It actually works.  Here are some observations that I made today that might help the guys that are helping you.

When a wild cherry has a 61 and you push the test button the display goes dark and it does not make a ding.
My clear chip required me to push the spin reels button not the test button.
The candle does flash until the first game is played no matter what the display is doing.

Thanks to all the guys helping Rio.  You guys inadvertently fixed my new machine without even hearing about it.

[riothecat]

I will try that. And I can't tell everyone if you how much I appreciate your help.

[riothecat]

This may be important. The following is from knagl...
Open the door, power off, remove the tray and hopper from the machine.
Take out the MPU board and place it on the bench with good lighting.
Remove the "Game Prom" SP chip from the U52 socket location.
Install the Ram Clear chip here.
Make sure the eprom notch is facing towards the etched print on the board that says "Game Prom".
Adjust the blue potentiometer volume to the middle position for sound.
With the power off, place the MPU back into the machine.
Leave the hopper and tray out for now.


Where he says u 52 my u52 is a very small chip. My game prom is u 57.
Thoughts... Concerns

[CommTech]

Yes, your Game PROM is U57, just a different board revision.   

[CommTech]

I bought an other S-plus today.  The former owner claimed he was just playing it and it stopped.  Narrowed it down to something about the MPU was bad.  I took the MPU out of my Wild cherry and put it in the new inop Double Diamond.  The Wild Cherry board powered up and left a 61 in the winner paid window.  I pushed the test button and the winner paid went dark and DID NOT ding.  I closed the door and the game played.  When I returned the Wild Cherry MPU to the Wild cherry machine the exact same thing happened.  It showed a 61, pushed the test button, display went dark without a ding and that machine returned to normal with all it original parts.  I examined the DD MPU closely the Game chip had one folded over leg and 2 broken off legs.  I straighten the bent one and soldered bell wire on to the chip to make new legs.  When I put the MPU back in the machine the the symptoms were the same as when I brought it home.  Stiff reels and no displays.  To figure out if I am in the market for a chip or an MPU, I used a clear chip.  This is important!!!  The directions I cut and pasted for you a few pages ago said to put the clear chip in, then push the test button.  The directions that came with my clear chip said to push the "spin reels" button.  I pushed "spin reels" and the display counted up like I read it is supposed to.  I have never tried this before.  I put the game chip back in and that machine is still exactly the same, stiff reels, no display and still didnt work.  I shorted all the game chip legs and tried one last time.  It actually works.  Here are some observations that I made today that might help the guys that are helping you.

When a wild cherry has a 61 and you push the test button the display goes dark and it does not make a ding.
My clear chip required me to push the spin reels button not the test button.
The candle does flash until the first game is played no matter what the display is doing.

Thanks to all the guys helping Rio.  You guys inadvertently fixed my new machine without even hearing about it.

Awesome!  Glad to hear you got yours working! 
Thanks for the additional information!  K+  Every bit helps!  

[CVslots]

it is really nice to see some educated minds putting the pieces together....versus throwing parts at a machine...

Once again., Thank you!



Roz

[riothecat]

Ok we have made some progress. BUZZ sent me three new chips thank you buzz for that. I followed all instructions to the letter (way to much to type here BTW) I got the 61-1 error n winner paid window. I shut the door and now have a 65 3 error in the winner paid window. The instructions that buzz sent has a page of errors and the 65 3 says 2 things can be done at this point 1...recover options & meters by using correct set chip OR turn jackpot reset key to continue power-up proceedure. Game will upgraded to most current format, What shall I do T this point.
Ok I went with turn jackpot key to continue power up ...

Great news my machine works. You guys are the bomb  
I will send my contribution in just a few minutes. Thanks again to all that helped.

[CommTech]

Awesome!!! Congratulations on your success!!   

[dpalmi]

Great job!

I need a drink....

 

Dan #2

[riothecat]

Many many kudos to BUZZ for the chips and info. I'm afraid that somewhere in he 100000000 replays I did something wrong. But it's fixed and that all the matters. And I just made a small contribution to NLG. Thanks again