Gamemaker bartop jcm 200 stacker motor cycles

[golflover]

Evening ALL

I was playing my Gamemaker Bartop tonight and had to reload because it ate all my money.      I opened the cash box removed the bills lowered it back into the bartop and when I locked it up the stacker motor just stated to continually cycle and not shut off. I opened it up grabbed a flash light and looked down inside behind the validator and it is  rasing and lowering the stacker table into the cash can. Nothing was touched and I read the manual and did not find anything about a reset. I opened the machine again took out the head and cover, removed the cash box and everything appears ok. Could the motor be on it's way out? Is there a reset or clear pprocedure I am missing. Thanks in advance!

Golf

4 months 12 days til the golf courses open

[golflover]

Ok have been checking and sort of dismanteling the stacker mech. It appears the motor is on it's way out from what I can figure. In reviewing posts it could be the power supply but when the motor cycles it just sounds like grinding and the mech moves very slow. When i move it by hand the mech is free and turns easy. haven't figured out how to get the motor out yet but am exploring. Since the rest of the machine functions and plays with no problems I don't suspect the power supply and that is why i am focusing on the stacker motor.

Only question I have at this is my motor has the numbers Canon DN26-T15N1B  CN26-062011  It searching the net for a replacement the closet motor number I coould llocated was a DN26-T15N1B/CN28-08201. Would these be inter-changeable or would I need an exact number match for the stacker motor? Any and all help as always appreciated.

Golf

[knagl]

Hopefully someone with more knowledge will jump in here soon, but in the mean time, when you're putting the stacker box ("cash can") back into the machine, are you slamming it into place (like the drop crews do at the casino)?  If not, it might be worth a try.  Normally I'm not a fan of using a lot of force on stuff, but with the cash cans sometimes it seems like that's needed to do the trick.

Obviously, don't do that if the thing is in mid-cycle.

[golflover]

Thanks Knagl,  I'll give that a try. It to me just sounds like the motor is tired. I wanted to suspect power supply but the machine is playing as normal. I haven't located a seperate power supply for the validator as of yet, but am finding that these bartops are strange animals so nithing is surprising. If I can llocate the correct replacement motor, as they are not all that expensive  I'll start there and work my way up to any other problems that might be causing it. Since the stacker motor cycles, but has a low kinda hum instead of the higher pitched noise it used to make I suspected the motor. In examining the other parts, head belt rollers etc, they all seem good.So at least I am learning while exploring 

[stayouttadabunker]

The grinding noise comes from the plastic gears rubbing against the frame sometimes.
Other times it's just not meshed right.
Jim posted a fix by cutting into the metal a little bit to
make some clearance for the plastic gears.
I don't know if that's the main problem though...

When the stacker is on it's way upwards and reaches the top -
it touches a switch to shut off the motor.
This switch is telling the motor that the stacker has completed it's "run" or "cycle" -
I'd be looking into this switch.
If it's not working correctly, the motor has no reason to stop?

[golflover]

Thanks Bunker... I can move the gear by hand or finger lol.. and the stacker moves free and easy up and down, I'll have to look closer at it as i would not have a clue about the switch. It makes sense now that you mention it that there has to be a switch to make the motor stop at the top of the run. I suspected the motor as I said because of the "tired" sound it is making. I noticed the difference in pitch a few nights ago when i was refillling the machine after it ate all my money   Not sure if i have a total schematic for the stacker unit but will look around at what I do have.  I have the unti out of the machine as I was looking at how to get the motor out, looks worse then one of thoose ancient Chinese Box puzzles..lol....

[stayouttadabunker]

I've never taken one apart but I sort of understand how it works.
There's boards in there for LED sensors and all sorts of mechanical wizardry.
Have fun!    It's a tiny "Pandora's Box"...
I hope you have a nice desktop magnifying lamp - makes things easier to see.

[golflover]

yeah that is for sure. I was counting the screws on the outside and there are a lot to just get the frame apart. I moved the stacker mech wide open but doesn;t appear to be enough clearance to get the motor out.  There are 2 springs though, so by releasing those it might allow the mech to swing free so that I could work on it or at least test the motor out of the unit to see if in fact it is the motor or another issue like power. I haven't located the current requirement for the motor yet, it has to be just a few amps I suspect since it is a small motor.  Guess I'll ask for an early holiday prresent..lol.. maybe the warden will get me a magnifying glass with a built in light...



4 months 5 days til the courses open !!!!!!!

[golflover]

Wanted to post the Stacker update.  It is the motor, and also the small spring the controls the switch to stop the motor from cycling after a bill is introduced.  After looking at it and taking it partially apart I thought getting a replacement for now was a better idea. A board member here JOHN42355  has been great. I got the replacement plugged it in and am back up and running. I am going to order a replacement motor from John so that I can tinker and fix the other stacker for a spare. So far knock on wood no other problems have developed so far..

[stayouttadabunker]

sometimes it's cheaper to replace the whole unit like you did -
instead of trying to locate a motor or part.

I wanted to get a solenoid for my coin divertor right?
Everywhere I looked, the solenoid itself was like around $27.
I ended up getting and entire coin comparator bracket with
complete coin assembly with a coin in optics board and harness too! - for like $15...lol
 

[golflover]

LOL... Reminds me of that old Johnny Cash song... One peice at a time..didn't cost me a dime....lol... Figure by the time I'm dome with this bartop, I'll know all the subtle problems it is displaying, have bought replacement parts,  fixed the broken parts and have 2 complete machines.. And learned a ton of stuff along the way....

And by that you, Stat and Buzz will finally have some peace and quiet!!!!

[paul]

it sounds like the stacker is not neshed right remove it and reinsert it solid

[golflover]

HI Paul..  I at first thought that too. But I put a multi meter on the motor and it was powering down under load. Plus with the broken  spring switch, it was just easier at this point to pick up a used one. Plus John had it on Ebay and even dropped the price 50% on his auction. For 6.99 it was cheaper and less aggravation. Popped the new one in and am back up and running. As I mentioned to Bunker am going to picik up a spare motor, replaced the bad one and look at the spring issue. I know I'll learn some moreabout this hobby. Thanks for the suggestion!!! That is what makes this forum the great place it is. everyone pitches in with suggestions and things that worked for them. Everyone here has saved me many hours of frustration. 

Did I mention that I replaced the stacker, and the first hands I tested it on, I got the 4 aces in triple trouble poker and then the royal flush. I have pictures if they came out on the cheap digital camera..lol.. I'll try to post them tomarorow.. Of course on my test hands I was only betting a quarter i think..lol.. figures...lol

[paul]

That was a great price   Good luck      Paul