SAS Host controller DLL. What do you want to see?

[StatFreak]

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I have only just started using visual studio 2010 and I am finding some serious bugs in it. It also defaults to use things I dont want it to use.

Andy, I have Visual Studio 2003. Are there any compatibility issues that you know that I might come up against?

[poppo]

Thanks poppo for a clear schematic 

Just to clarify for others that the schematic I sent him was slightly different than the one I posted earlier in this thread, and eliminates the opto-coupler.

Could you post it for everyone's benefit?

I plan to post a cleaned up version as soon as I test it myself because it was just a 'theoritical' concept I sent to Foster. I'm not sure if he changed anything. But for now, here is what I sent him. What I felt was important in this version is to send +5V OUT to pin 7 of J4. This gives Q21 (that open collector output) on the MPU a TTL level power source. Without it, Q21 won't do anything and the machine won't output any data. The schematic does not show the +5v power supply. You have to supply that somehow, but I will include it later to get it from J9 like the original SAS board.

[poppo]

lol...well partly...check this out...
For some reason, I'm stuck on :    "01:"

No other lines showing...

Is anyone else using this latest version and having the same problem? I'm asking because I'm getting ready to test some hardware and need to know if the app is broke or if Bunker just has some other issue.

Foster - what version did you use when you got it working?

[stayouttadabunker]

Okay,
I just hooked up the TestAppII to the S+.
I noticed a different behavior with the program.

Last night we hooked up the S2000 and when I hit the "Initialize" button,
the "Poll Address" box grays out and I got a [01:] in the report box.

On  the S+, when I hit the "Initialize" button, I still get the "Poll Address" box to "gray out"- 
but the report box does NOT populate with the [01:] or anything...
It is blank.

On the earlier Test App, I was at least able to get the two ds 1&2 (green & red) LEDs on the interface board to light up...
With the newer App, I'm lighting up the green ds1 LED only.
However, the green ds1 is not lighting up just because I hit the "Initialize" button -
it starts lighting up as soon as I boot up the S+.
Has anyone determined what the green ds1 LED is for compared to the red ds2 LED?

The TestAppII is having far less communications than with the older version.



"Uh...Houston, we have a problem..."

[AndyP]

Andy, I have Visual Studio 2003. Are there any compatibility issues that you know that I might come up against?

The solution files wont be backward compatible. The code will be. The only code I supply is the c# for the test app. Best off downloading the 2010 visual studion express edition for c#/

Okay,
I just hooked up the TestAppII to the S+.
I noticed a different behavior with the program.

Last night we hooked up the S2000 and when I hit the "Initialize" button,
the "Poll Address" box grays out and I got a [01:] in the report box.

On  the S+, when I hit the "Initialize" button, I still get the "Poll Address" box to "gray out"- 
but the report box does NOT populate with the [01:]

On the earlier Test App, I was at least able to get the two DS 1&2 (green & red) LEDs on the interface board to light up...
With the newer App, I'm lighting up the green LED only.
However, it is not lighting up because I hit the "Initialize" button - it starts lighting up as soon as I boot up the S+.
The TestAppII is having far less communications than with the older version.\

"Houston, we have a problem..."

It worked for me. The only change to the comms is the polling speed. I changed it from 1second to 200ms. This can be configured via a call to the DLL, but no support in the test app at this point.

If it does not work, maybe try the old version again. If you want to keep both versions, copy all the files out of the install directory to a temp directory before installing the new version. If its too late for that you can uninstall the new version and install the old version.

[poppo]

FWIW, I have some activity on my S+. I am only using a MAX232 connnected directly to the machine, so there may be some issues with that. But I am getting '53: No progressive information has been received for 5 seconds.' (I do have progressive enabled).

Nothing else does anything. Is the older version still available somewhere?

[stayouttadabunker]

Nothing else does anything. Is the older version still available somewhere?

Waay back in reply #32...lol

[StatFreak]

Nothing else does anything. Is the older version still available somewhere?

Waay back in reply #32...lol

First time downloaders should read the post first:
Waay back in reply #32

Direct link to the first version:
http://users.tpg.com.au/adslcmdn//SASEGMTestInstall.zip

[poppo]

Nothing else does anything. Is the older version still available somewhere?

Waay back in reply #32...lol

Thanks.

Ok, I tried that one and it does the same thing. I think I need the hex inverters. But at least it is communicating to some degree.

I wonder if having progressive on is somehow screwing things up. Maybe I will try turning it off and see what happens.

Just for grins I changed the poll # to 2 and got the 01: like you said you were getting.

[stayouttadabunker]

Just for grins I changed the poll # to 2 and got the 01: like you said you were getting.

How soon after you hit the "Initialize" button?
I don't even get that.
I un-installed the newer TestAppII and re-installed the 1st App.

[poppo]

Ok, I turned off progressive. Got rid of the nagging '53: No progressive information has been received for 5 seconds.'
Keep in mind I had a home-brew progressive so there was no talk back to the machine which is probably why it has been nagging.

I am getting other info like door open etc., so I am receiveing data.  But I can't get it to add credits or anything else. So I probably need the hex buffers to get it to talk to the machine. Time to go   some more.

[stayouttadabunker]

Poppo,
Can we see a screen shot of that?
All you did was install the older Test App version right?

[poppo]

Just for grins I changed the poll # to 2 and got the 01: like you said you were getting.

How soon after you hit the "Initialize" button?
I don't even get that.
I un-installed the newer TestAppII and re-installed the 1st App.

I got it immediately with the new version after hitting initialize. I don't get anything with the old version (when I change the poll)

[poppo]

Poppo,
Can we see a screen shot of that?
All you did was install the older Test App version right?

Ok, here is what I did.

1. Installed new app (never had old one).
2. Rigged up my MAX232
3. Started app and got the progressive info.
4. Swiched the app to poll address 2 and got 01:
5. Uninstalled new app and installed original.
6. Still had progressive messages.
7. Turned off progressive.
8. Progressive messages were gone, but other messages still worked (like door open)
9. Changed it to poll address 2 and it did nothing.

Now my problem seems to just be that I am not talking to the machine. I need to work on that. At least this proves that just a MAX232 alone will recieve the data.

[stayouttadabunker]

That's great poppo!
What are your SAS settings in the S+ options?
There must be some difference there?

[poppo]

That's great poppo!
What are your SAS settings in the S+ options?
There must be some difference there?

I set up evetything on the SP1271 just like you had posted earlier.

Did you ever have the other buttons working like add legecy credits or ROM version?

Does SAS bonusing need to be turned on? You posted it was set to 0 (off)

[poppo]

Update.

Apparently I am talking to the machine as the ROM signature does come back. But it takes a while as someone else pointed out. I think I just need to turn on SAS bonusing. Let me go try that.

[stayouttadabunker]

I did have the Bonusing turned off.
I haven't change any machine settings since that post.
I wonder if something happened to the "known good" interface?
I left the serial plug in the computer all night but both the PC and the S+ were turned off.
I cannot get the red ds2 LED to come on.

[poppo]

I did have the Bonusing turned off.

But were you able to add credits? I can get the ROM signature so I am fairly certain that I am talking to the machine, but I can't add credits even with bonusing on.

BTW, my Transmit line (from the PC) fell off and I got a 01:  So I would check all of your connections.

[TZtech]

Poppo

If you are getting messages coming through your interface is fine. I would suspect settings. Apart from the SAS bonussing which I am pretty sure should be enabled also check your credit limits for bonussingor maybe just regular credit limit.

Ian

[Foster]

The only thing I did to Poppo's schematic
I changed the 74HC14 to a 74HC04 (that is what the Cham II had on it)
I added pull up resistors to the TTL TX and RX lines on the S+ side.
I will test it thoroughly tonight without them to see if it still works.

[poppo]

This is making me 

I can receive data fine. I can get a ROM signature (but it takes a while). So that tells me that I am talking to the machine. But I can't add credits.

Oddly, the SAS bonusing option keeps going back to 0 after setting it to 1 when I go back to look at it with the set chip.  I don't know what I am missing. 

Does anyone have a S+ that they actually have the credits working? If so, what SP chip are you using and what did you set eveything to?

[stayouttadabunker]

I'm thinking that maybe the Test App killed our PC serial port Tx?  
I'm still not getting the red ds1 LED to light up...  

I just finished running continuity tests on all the connections of the harness...
they all check out fine but still no Tx out to the S+ interface.
At least you're getting some Rx back from the S+ interface.

The green flashing ds2 LED must be the Tx from the interface to the PC?
But I'm not getting ANYTHING coming or going...

[stayouttadabunker]

Okay...
I was right about the serial port being knocked out...
I restored the serial port Com1 by disabling it first in the Device Manager, then re-enabling it.
The two ds LEDs on the interface are back in action!
Still no love in the TestApp1 though.
Still a blank report page.

I'm going to re-install Test AppII and see what happens.

[poppo]

Were you ever able to add credits to the S+?

I don't want to be on a wild goose chase if there is something not working or it won't work with a SP1271

I did a complete ram clrear. I even put in a new EEPROM to have a blank slate. Still no go.

<edit> Argh!!!! Maybe this is why. From the SP1271 PSR

Cumulative SAS bonus amount   Displays 0000 because this version does not support SAS bonusing.   Displays 0000 because this version does not support SAS bonusing.