SAS Host controller DLL. What do you want to see?

[stayouttadabunker]

I had a Type 2 chip like SP1274 last week I think and was running a Haywire SS chip.
But that PSR for the SP1274 says the same thing as yours>>>
"Displays 0000 because this version does not support SAS bonusing."
I don't think that's the problem.

And yes, I was able to add credits at the time.
I'm thinking of un-installing all these versions and just re-installing
the Test AppII to get at least as far a you've gotten poppo.

I have the first two settings in the options as [2] IGT SAS
and the machine address as [001]
The rest is like I showed everyone earlier.

I thought maybe you had something different than mine in the settings,
besides the SAS Progressive turned on - which I never did because
I didn't install a progressive in this S+.

Another older SP Haywire Type 2 chip (SP873) seems to be a little simpler and it looks
like it has the accounting for cashable , downloadable credits.
Check out the PSR for it>>>
 

[poppo]

I had a Type 2 chip like SP1274 last week I think and was running a Haywire SS chip.
But that PSR for the SP1274 says the same thing as yours>>>
"Displays 0000 because this version does not support SAS bonusing."
I don't think that's the problem.

Then I am at a loss. The SP1271 SAS bonusing option does not stay set at 1 (enabled). So IMO if it's not enabled, it's not going to work. I will try a SP1274 and a haywire chip and see what happens.

If I was not getting the ROM signature response, I would think it was a communications issue, but that is working. I hate to fiddle with the hex buffers if they really are not needed.

[jay]

1271 UGGH !

I upgraded from a 731 to a 1271 due to a weird bug??
Under 731 I could not have Link (MIKON) as my primary Progressive and a IGT standalone as my secondary. The reverse was valid. Two links was valid, two standalones but not the desired combination of the main progressive being a link.

If SAS bonusing doesn't work isn't EFT supported ??? as that is probably a more accurate way of adding credits.

[poppo]

Well, I am about to give up until someone can come up with an exact configuration that works (on a S+). I tried a SP1274 and haywire chip, but still can not add credits. And the SAS bonusing option still will not 'stick'. Every time I go back in with the set chip it is back to 0. And I've tried every method to save the setting. It's like as soon as you put the SP1271 or SP1274 back in, it resets it to off.

[poppo]

Ok, I am going to try one more thing. The PSR for SP1145 specifically notes that it supports SAS bonusing.

<edit> crap That is a 16mhz board chip and wigs out in a 10mhz. However it does let you see that SAS bonusing is enabled and the setting does stick. So I still think it's a SP chip issue. You need one that supports SAS bonusing. Time to look through my PSRs for a 10Mhz one.

[poppo]

SUCCESS!!! Sort of.

Using a SP1145, I am able to add credits. So this seems to confirm that the SP chip needs to support SAS bonusing and the SP1271/SP1274 don't.

It also confirms that all that is needed is a MAX232 as an interface.

Now, I don't have a lot of PSRs, so can someone look and find some 10mhz SP chips that supports SAS bonusing. This 16mhz SP makes everything run really slow in a 10mhz board. But it works!!!  

[poppo]

Ok, here is the simplest interface that will work. I can not guarantee it will work on every S+, but it works fine on mine. It is imperative that you OUTPUT +5v to pin 7 of J4. As noted earlier, this is needed for Q21 on the MPU to work. If you don't supply the +5v there, it will never output anything. You must also tie your +5v power supply ground (J4 Pin 2) to the cabinet (machine ground) somewhere.

[poppo]

If SAS bonusing doesn't work isn't EFT supported ??? as that is probably a more accurate way of adding credits.

I don't know about EFT down the road. But for now it looks like SAS bonusing is the only option for S+

[TZtech]

Hi Guys

I have used SP1213 on a number of systems over here (ACE,SIP,Crystal Web,Acres).

Poppo - Thanks for posting the interface details.

BTW found a harness for a DCS to RS232 for a commercially available system and its interface board consists of 2 opto isolators and a few passive components. Been a really hectic week so have not had a chance to try and get this to work on the PE+ DCS port but will keep you posted.

Edit - SP1213 does EFT

Ian

[knagl]

Now, I don't have a lot of PSRs, so can someone look and find some 10mhz SP chips that supports SAS bonusing.

Gladly.  What game type do you need?

[TZtech]

Hi All

V2 installed without any issues on my laptop. Running a FTDI USB to serial converter to the I Game comms board and all functions in V2 working (Sorry I cant confirm TITO stuff as I dont have TITO hardware installed).

Have checked and machine does send through a change button pressed event - I suggested earlier that instead of having to worry about TITO etc we could make a small mod to the program and download a pre defined amount of promo credits just by pressing the change button (Call attendant).This will allow you to add credits easily from the machine

Attached screenshot of app running on State Fair 17" I Game.

Andy - Thanks again for all the effort you have put in on this.

Would it be possible to add a acknowledge to a cashout request to clear credits from machine?

Ian

[stayouttadabunker]

Poppo,
Is this a good kit to get?
Looks like they're tying in the grounds together...? >>>

http://sodoityourself.com/max232-serial-level-converter/

[poppo]

Now, I don't have a lot of PSRs, so can someone look and find some 10mhz SP chips that supports SAS bonusing.

Gladly.  What game type do you need?

For testing this, I guess a type 5 will do. But ultimetly we will need to know which ones support it for all of the general types (0, 2, 4, 5, 21)

[poppo]

Poppo,
Is this a good kit to get? >>>

http://sodoityourself.com/max232-serial-level-converter/

Probably will work fine.
I posted this link before. I ordered 2 of these already and will report how they work. Only $3.99 shipped. Still need to provide a +5v supply though.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170482445321

I actually built mine into a DB9 connector. This was from an old project.

[TZtech]

Thanks for the Link Poppo

If anybody is going to go ahead and get one maybe get one of these as well
http://cgi.ebay.com/PC-USB-RS232-RS485-UART-TTL-Signal-Converter-/180560121332?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0a38cdf4

This should allow Multiple S2000/Igames to be connected via RS485

[stayouttadabunker]

Heck!...might as well go all the way and make it wireless!   

[jay]

So assuming someone has the stock IGT board for the S+ . I think from Bunkers description that they were RS232 ? and that the fiber version offered a daisy chain solution for multiple systems, Is there a rs-485 option for the S+ ? or is Fiber our only path forward ?

Does the S2000 have both Rs232 and Rs485 interfaces ? (Rs485 being the multidrop).

[poppo]

While it may not be pretty, here is the whole thing. I have the MAX232 built into the DB9 housing as shown earlier, I am using a +5V (regulated) wall wart from my parts bin. So I just have the 4 wires coming from J4 and tied it all together. Later I will neaten things up. Note how I tied the blue ground wire to the hopper plate. But anywhere will do.

[knagl]

Note how I tied the blue ground wire to the hopper plate. But anywhere will do.

Is that grounding necessary if you use the power from the S+ connector instead of a wall wart?

I'll start going through the PSRs and I'll add the SAS stuff to the SP/ST list sticky post in the S+ section so we'll have it for future reference.  I'll let you know here, too, when I come across a Type 5 one that supports it.

[poppo]

So assuming someone has the stock IGT board for the S+ . I think from Bunkers description that they were RS232 ?

Correct. RS232 only on that board.

and that the fiber version offered a daisy chain solution for multiple systems, Is there a rs-485 option for the S+ ? or is Fiber our only path forward ?

I think fiber would be the best option for daisy chaining. But I don't know if anyone has actually seen a S+ fiber board. I've only seen the schematics. I'm more of a hardware guy than software, so I don't know how daisy chaining would work with RS-485. Looking at the fiber board schematics, it looks like they use some sort of AND gate to block the output of the machine if it's not currently being addressed. This lets other traffic go down the 'wire' without collisions.

This may also be an issue. It is from the SP1145 PSR

To use the SAS bonus features, the SAS address must be {001}...

That may rule out daisy chaining on a S+ since they can't all be set to 001 (without going to EFT)

[poppo]

Note how I tied the blue ground wire to the hopper plate. But anywhere will do.

Is that grounding necessary if you use the power from the S+ connector instead of a wall wart?

I'll start going through the PSRs and I'll add the SAS stuff to the SP/ST list sticky post in the S+ section so we'll have it for future reference.  I'll let you know here, too, when I come across a Type 5 one that supports it.

No, since that ground is a 'common' ground. BUT you still need to use a +5v regulator if using the voltage from J9.


The SP1145 specifically states SAS bonusing near the beginning. So I guess that is what we are looking for.

SAS Bonus Feature

To use the SAS bonus features, the SAS address must be {001}, the SAS bonusing option must be enabled with the set chip, and the machine must be equipped with the DCN+ player tracking device. When the SAS bonusing option is enabled, two bonus features are enabled at the same time: bonus pays and multiplied jackpot mode. These features can not be enabled or disabled individually. Wins from game play and pending bonuses are awarded at the ends of games. The multiplied jackpot mode allows wins to be multiplied by a number (one to ten) supplied by the SAS host. The minimum and maximum win amounts that are eligible to be multiplied are also sent by the SAS host.

........

SAS Bonusing
Display <0> [64]   Indicates whether the SAS bonusing option is enabled ( 1 ) or disabled (0). The set chip is required to set this option.

[knagl]

I've only gone through about 1/4 of the S+ PSRs so far, but it looks like we really, really may want to expand into the world of EFT once we get this stuff better figured out.  Of the PSRs that I've gone through so far, many support EFT, and most do not support bonusing.

Hopefully EFT will be a future option for this project.  I can't imagine trying to get a machine older than an S+ involved with the network aspect of this project, and if the S+ can support EFT, chances are darn good that machines made after it can as well.

(I don't know how that will bode for the PE+ or any non-IGT games (like a Bally 6000, for example).)

[poppo]

I've only gone through about 1/4 of the S+ PSRs so far, but it looks like we really, really may want to expand into the world of EFT once we get this stuff better figured out.  Of the PSRs that I've gone through so far, many support EFT, and most do not support bonusing.

Please be sure to note any that you come across that do support it. And if it's 10mhz or 16mhz. Maybe none of the 10mhz ones do.

But I agree, if there was a way to use EFT on the S+, it should work with just about any SP.

On a side note, using the new version of the app, Here is what works and what doesn't on a S+

Works:
Logging all events like power up, door open, door close etc.
ROM signature - but takes a LONG time to show up (like 5 minutes).
Legacy Bonus - but only on SP chips that support SAS bonusing

Does not work:
SAS VER / EGM Serial
Meters 10-15
Machine ID and info

Unknown (since I have no tickets)
Ticket Val Data
Redeem ticket

[poppo]

Warning!!!

Don't add several thousand credits if your hopper limit is set high and you are already near your credit limit .  
2000 coins takes a lot of hopper refills.  

[knagl]

Please be sure to note any that you come across that do support it. And if it's 10mhz or 16mhz. Maybe none of the 10mhz ones do.

Check out the list:
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=68.0

I've only done SP's 1000 and above (I ran out of time to do the others today).  If you do a "Find" (Crtl + F) on that page for the word "Bonusing" it will highlight the SPs that support it (although a few PSRs made a point of saying that SAS Bonusing was NOT supported, so I made a point of posting that information if it was available).

I'll go through the rest of the PSRs and update the rest of the list by next week.

I still believe that EFT would be the way to go, and hopefully we can graduate to that at some point.


Does anyone have any information about SAS Bonusing and/or EFT ability for the PE+?