California vendor licensing discussion

[brichter]

Now you see my point. 

[StatFreak]

Now you see my point. 

Yes, but it's still a different type of "license" than the one that discusses the $25K per year rule. 

[brichter]

Huh?

I guess you didn't see my point.

[StatFreak]

Huh?

I guess you didn't see my point.

That the wording of the laws is conflicting, confusing, and somewhat nonsensical?

[brichter]

Huh?

I guess you didn't see my point.

That the wording of the laws is conflicting, confusing, and somewhat nonsensical?

Now you're cooking with gas!  

As are most California laws... We even have a new law that is aimed at making motorcycles quiet, but rather than relying on the multitude of existing laws with the same goal that rely on the sound level emitted by the mufflers, the new law relies on the presence of a marking affixed to the muffler instead.

Considering that there are many motorcycles that have no part of the muffler visible without serious disassembly of the vehicle, it will be interesting to see the police officers in California attending motorcycle mechanic classes, carrying around a full complement of tools, and spending 45 minutes or so stripping bikes by the side of the road so they can write a $10 fix-it ticket.  

BTW, last time I looked, sound meters were cheap and portable, costing about $40 for a dedicated unit. Heck, I paid $70 for mine and it's a high end model with Min/Max/Avg readings, as well as options for fast/slow response time and both A and C weightings.

Oh, and I prefer to use the word contradictory rather than conflicting when referring to California laws.

[StatFreak]

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BTW, last time I looked, sound meters were cheap and portable, costing about $40 for a dedicated unit. Heck, I paid $70 for mine and it's a high end model with Min/Max/Avg readings, as well as options for fast/slow response time and both A and C weightings.
...

I have two: the older mechanical one and the digital one. The digital one has all of those extra features while the mechanical one is a bit easier to read in real time. They're the plastic gray rectangular hand-helds that taper to a metal cylinder in front where the microphone is housed. I bought the cheaper S#^t sHACK versions, but they are made by another company who just slaps the unreal i-Stick label on them. I used to know who made them, but CRS strikes again.

[reho33]

I didn't mean for this to become a discussion on legalities but I guess it has. But there are certain realities that are in play here:
1) The laws exist but are rarely enforced.
2) No one knows how to "properly" interpret the laws
3) If you ask everyone what the law covers, you will get 10,000 equally confusing answers.
4) As a result, no one gives 2 craps about what is in the CA statutes regarding slot ownership.
5) Most other people in other slot restricted states feel the same and act accordingly
6) The only case I ever heard of was the NM case ( which you can search the Internet for ) and the homeowner won.
7) Stop worrying and enjoy your hobby, nuff said!
       Now go out and get some medical marijuana, play your slot , and have your.357 (I Mean Uzi) close by.

[brichter]

       Now go out and get some medical marijuana, play your slot , and have your.357 (I Mean Uzi) close by.

It's obvious you've never been to California... You can't have an Uzi here. 

[reho33]

I have been.........3 times as a matter of fact. Assault weapons are not part of the mix. But for your own curiosity, scan the local CL for CA cities and I'll bet that you will come up with a few S2000's and S+'s for sale.

[brichter]

I have been.........3 times as a matter of fact. Assault weapons are not part of the mix. But for your own curiosity, scan the local CL for CA cities and I'll bet that you will come up with a few S2000's and S+'s for sale.

Yup, and I'd not want to bet a lot that these practices continue. Have you been here since 2008?

[reho33]

No, last time I was there was 1990

[stayouttadabunker]

I was there 2 weeks after 9/11.
Boy, plane tickets were cheap back then...
I think I flew from Montreal to San Diego and back for like $280?
 
I didn't see anybody carrying UZI's in the streets though....

[brichter]

Well, California, being the bastion of liberality that it is, has spent itself into financial ruin decade over decade, and  the chickens have come home to roost.

Therefore, California has decided that law enforcements' secondary responsibility is the public safety, and the first order of business is the generation of revenue. Accordingly, infractions and misdemeanors are being pursued with renewed vigor, and maximum fines are being offered as plea deals, with the threat of jail time being used as the stick. Code violations are through the roof (think fence and shrubbery height violations, along with other nitpicky crap), and the smallest violations are now bringing the maximum fines allowable by law.

I thought it a strange coincidence you mentioned slot machines and Craigslist, as I know of two individuals caught up in this situation right now. Turns out municipalities are trolling these types of sites looking for illegal activities, whether it be trafficking in ferrets, or any other disallowed objects.

[brichter]

I didn't see anybody carrying UZI's in the streets though....

That's because you didn't go to any of the gang-infested areas. 

The only people allowed to possess Uzis in CA are certified gangbangers, and that's because it's too dangerous to go after them. So, they look for John Q. Public to run afoul of any of the myriad contradictory laws and hammer them into submission with the requisite newspaper and TV/radio hoopla to make it appear that they're hard at work reducing crime.

Here's a funny video for your entertainment:

http://redux.com/stream/item/1944851/SFPD-Robot-Drops-Runs-Over-Grenade-on-Live-TV

[StatFreak]

Here's a funny video for your entertainment:

http://redux.com/stream/item/1944851/SFPD-Robot-Drops-Runs-Over-Grenade-on-Live-TV

For those without any patience, start watching at 2:55 to see the robot drop the grenade, and at 3:40 to watch the robot drive over it.     

[StatFreak]

Well, California, being the bastion of liberality that it is, has spent itself into financial ruin decade over decade, and  the chickens have come home to roost.

Therefore, California has decided that law enforcements' secondary responsibility is the public safety, and the first order of business is the generation of revenue. Accordingly, infractions and misdemeanors are being pursued with renewed vigor, and maximum fines are being offered as plea deals, with the threat of jail time being used as the stick. Code violations are through the roof (think fence and shrubbery height violations, along with other nitpicky crap), and the smallest violations are now bringing the maximum fines allowable by law.

I thought it a strange coincidence you mentioned slot machines and Craigslist, as I know of two individuals caught up in this situation right now. Turns out municipalities are trolling these types of sites looking for illegal activities, whether it be trafficking in ferrets, or any other disallowed objects.

Regarding the state of affairs in California, I couldn't have said it better than Brichter, so I will only add that he's hit the nail on the head. 

[stayouttadabunker]

Robot assistant operator: "Uh...Joe? What was that bump?"
Robot operator Joe: "I think it was a lump of cement on the ground?"
BOOM!
Robo assistant operator: "Nope... "

[StatFreak]

Robot assistant operator: "Uh...Joe? What was that bump?"
Robot operator Joe: "I think it was a lump of cement on the ground?"
BOOM!
Robo assistant operator: "Nope... "

As I watched the video, I wondered how the performance of the news actors  - er - reporters, would have been affected had the grenade had exploded right then and there.
Still, gotta love them catching the incompetent bumbling of the bomb squad in a live broadcast.

[stayouttadabunker]

You'd have to pull the pin and lift the handle to activate it.
I'd imagine you can throw a grenade up in the air and
let it fall to the pavement without blowing up.

I wouldn't bank on it though...

[StatFreak]

You'd have to pull the pin and lift the handle to activate it.
I'd imagine you can throw a grenade up in the air and
let it fall to the pavement without blowing up.

I wouldn't bank on it though...

I lived in a room with an emptied "pineapple" grenade used as a decoration, and I wouldn't want to be anywhere near one when it exploded. I've also handled a couple of live ones... 

[stayouttadabunker]

Boy, I hope nobody comes here looking for California Vendor licensing information
because all they're going to get is a full-blown discussion on hand grenades... >>>


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/z9Bk-Mtwhag&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/z9Bk-Mtwhag&rel=0</a>

[brichter]

You'd have to pull the pin and lift the handle to activate it.
I'd imagine you can throw a grenade up in the air and
let it fall to the pavement without blowing up.

I wouldn't bank on it though...

That depends on the age and type, many explosive compounds become unstable as they age.

[stayouttadabunker]

You'd have to pull the pin and lift the handle to activate it.
I'd imagine you can throw a grenade up in the air and
let it fall to the pavement without blowing up.

I wouldn't bank on it though...

That depends on the age and type, many explosive compounds old guys become unstable as they age.

 I HAD to do it!  

[brichter]

You'd have to pull the pin and lift the handle to activate it.
I'd imagine you can throw a grenade up in the air and
let it fall to the pavement without blowing up.

I wouldn't bank on it though...

That depends on the age and type, many explosive compounds old guys become unstable as they age.

 I HAD to do it!   

So, from your first-hand experience as an old guy, at what age did ths set in on you? 

 

[stayouttadabunker]

oops mistake post