Reel Touch /S2000 Hookup to PC (RS232)

[Foster]

J81 and the LTC491 are shown in the upper left corner of the schematic there are 16 zener diodes near them

[stayouttadabunker]

Updating...

This computer is coming to you live from my S2000.
I've tried all of the above except for the USB adapter...(I left it at work... )

I even keychipped the machine to change it to "Legacy Bonusing".
All I get on any channel or address is the dreaded [01:]...absolutely nothing else.

I even dis-abled/enabled/lowered/raised the FIFO buffering and
changed the COM to [3] but still get the [01:].

Maybe it works for the S+ which I'll know in the morning but for the s2000...nope.

Any ideas CommTech?  
I see you're watching!  ^^^

[poppo]

J81 and the LTC491 are shown in the upper left corner of the schematic there are 16 zener diodes near them

Can you double check the schematic you attached. I'm not seeing it. J80 is the only connector up there.

And I'm really curious to see the actual RS232 port being used. I'm still thinking handshaking could be an issue if they are supposed to be used.

[stayouttadabunker]

This one? >>>

[Foster]

Sorry I added the assembly pdf instead of the other schematic. that why you could not find it.

[poppo]

This one? >>>

That's on the parts placement sheet, but not on the schematic. That drawing also shows 3 fiber jacks and the schematic has 5. I don't think they are for the same board.

<edit> Ok, got the right one now. Still can't answer the RS485 question, but still would like to know what jack you are using for your RS232.

[stayouttadabunker]

Another wasted 10 minutes of my life....

I see the bloody thing now...
Foster, can we go over to your house and
give you a swift kick in the butt?    














just kidding...

[Foster]

This one? >>>

That's on the parts placement sheet, but not on the schematic. That drawing also shows 3 fiber jacks and the schematic has 5. I don't think they are for the same board.

<edit> Ok, got the right one now. Still can't answer the RS485 question, but still would like to know what jack you are using for your RS232.

I am using J82, strange that it matches the J82 or such on the S+ comm board (If I remember right)

[stayouttadabunker]

I am using J82, strange that it matches the J82 or such on the S+ comm board (If I remember right)

IGT probably didn't need to change it...save a few bucks

[Foster]

The reason I asked about RS485 is because it specifically allows for 32 nodes on either 1 TP (Twisted Pair) or 2 TP, or 4 TP if DTR and DCD are needed.

The reason I asked is that it looks like IGT implemented the 2 TP or 4 TP version.

[PWRSTROKE]

I have really enjoyed the dedication of these efforts.  Perhaps some in "this" world could know more than even the nerd computer hackers- ,  Perhaps some have already done this-even on this board here--  Perhaps I wonder why those folks are not talking about it--- .   .  B.

[poppo]

I am using J82, strange that it matches the J82 or such on the S+ comm board (If I remember right)

Well, J82 clearly has CTS and RTS lines. That tells me that it is expecting to use hardware handshaking. That might explain a lot of the problems. Andy said hardware handshaking was not used (and it's not on the S+) but if the S2000 is expecting it, things won't work right. It could explain why the machine receives the data but does not respond. Now why it works with some adapters I don't know.

BTW, there is a J82 on the S+ SAS board but it is not the RS232 port. It's the output to the MPU.

[stayouttadabunker]

I just took mine out and apart to take some pictures.
This is the S2000 Comm board in the back wall of my machine.
Click to enlarge if needed...>>>

[stayouttadabunker]

You know what, I'll bet it needs all 4 lines to include the RTS and CTS?
If so, what pins on the PC end would match those ones?
Pin locations # 3 & 4 ?  lol    It can't be that easy!
Anyways, I'm presently using Pins#1, 2, & 5 on the J82 5-Pin Molex.

Click to enlarge if needed or use the drawings in Reply#79. >>>

[poppo]

You know what, I'll bet it needs all 4 lines to include the RTS and CTS?
If so, what pins on the PC end would match those ones?
I'm presently using Pins#1, 2, & 5 on the J82 5-Pin Molex.

Click to enlarge if needed or use the drawings in Reply#79. >>>

They would go to pins 7&8 of the DB9. That is why I suggested earlier to jumper them (jumpering them tricks the pc into thinking all is well). However even if the lines are needed, Andy said he has coded the program not to use hardware handshaking.

On a side note, I have been playing around a little more with my USB RS232 adapter and most of the time it works (with the S+), but if I leave it running for a while I start getting random messages from the machine. So I think the program has issues even with the S+.

[stayouttadabunker]

Okay,
Thanks Poppo!! I'll try it tomorrow...see what happens   
Foster's the late nite host...lol maybe he'll hook it up while I'm asleep...
I gotta get to bed!

[Foster]

IF you go to bed, NLG will self destruct in 1 minute.

[TZtech]

Hi All

Typed out a long reply and it bombed - short version.

Use J82 for serial comms - You only use TX,RX and Gnd.
If you are using this port your SAS primary comms channel should be set to 3.

The other two screens for I Game with AFT are attached (But dont have correct settings shown)

SAS Options - Enable bonussing, cashless transactions and validation. You can set asset number to 1
SAS Channel - The adress you enter here should match whats selected on App. Make it 1 and same on APP. You can de select progressives
Ian

[poppo]

If you are using this port your SAS primary comms channel should be set to 3.

SAS Channel - The adress you enter here should match whats selected on App. Make it 1 and same on APP.

Can you explain what the difference is beween SAS primary comms and SAS channel? I understand the SAS channel (address), but what is the 'SAS primary comms channel'? I didn't see that option on the PDFs.

[TZtech]

Munch posted a Pic back in reply number 47.

This screen tells the machine which port it should communicate on from machine side
2 Is the DCS port on the motherboard (Same pinout as S+ DCS)
3 is the RS232 comms port on the comms board (J82)

Then you also have a dedicated fiber port for progressives om 7. Not sure what RS485 port maps to as i have never worked on a system that uses this.

[poppo]

So these steps should work right?

1. Set the SAS primary comms channel on the slot to 3
2. Set the SAS address to 1 (or above) on the slot
3. Set the test app poll address to match #2
4. Connect the RS232 cable to a com port on your PC and know what port number it is.
5. Set the comm port on the test app to match #4

And if I read your post right, if you set the SAS primary comms channel to 2, you would be able to use a S+ SAS RS232 board connected to the DCS port?

[TZtech]

Nicely Summarized

The pinouts on the DCS ports are the same so it should work yes - Drive circuit design may be slightly different. I posted a schematic early in the first thread for the 960 motherboard if anyone wants to check it and confirm.

On S2000 settings are the same you just need to find them in the menu trees.

[Foster]

Yes you could use a S+ SAS RS232 connected to DCS port on the S2000 motherboard, but no real need since the S2000 Communications board has the RS232 on it.
Set Game to use SAS Channel 3 which is J82 on the 960 Comm Board.

[jdkmunch]

So these steps should work right?

1. Set the SAS primary comms channel on the slot to 3
2. Set the SAS address to 1 (or above) on the slot
3. Set the test app poll address to match #2
4. Connect the RS232 cable to a com port on your PC and know what port number it is.
5. Set the comm port on the test app to match #4

And if I read your post right, if you set the SAS primary comms channel to 2, you would be able to use a S+ SAS RS232 board connected to the DCS port?

Exactly what was tried -  all that is received in the test app is 01: the sas address.

[AndyP]

How good is this. Sitting in a bunk on a yacht, laptop and internet access. Technology....

Gents, before you all get too excited, there is an issue with my test app and some timings. This is to be expected, because the comm port on your PC was never designed to be used the way I am using via windows. I can fix the issue, but I have not had a chance to sit down and really figure out how yet.

There is no use of handshaking. I am basically using IGT's sastest program as a model to work from. I have reversed engineered it, and observed its behavior using a program call portmon that tells me every single low level operation on the comm port. I know the IGT app works, however its useless for what everyone here wants.

So please, be patient. I could put a full time programmer onto this, but you would all have to cough up mega bucks. I'll get it sorted soon.