Interfering with peoples classified posts

[jay]

Who says $500 is un-reasonable for some themes in good condition ??   
Casino Glass in Vegas sells sheets of glass for $60.00 - $80.00, and this doesn't include chips or reel strips ?
Belly+Reel+top = $240.00  - this is a professional business selling to casinos and consumers alike.
I use it as my benchmark when considering to part with my money. There are other points of reference for someone to make a decision.

Now that the illegal repos are not readilly being made / sold the real stuff may appreciate as it becomes more rare.
If someone wants something bad enough they will pay the piper.

Or it will sit alongside a competitive advert.... and sit and sit and sit.....

SpinLuck which is a popular theme in the Pachilo world sometimes sells for as much as $1200 when most of us won't part with $75 for a Pachi.

We could put out a disclaimer that says let the buyer beware but they never did that on the Saturday Post, Supermarket bulliten board, or e-equivelents of these.

I say let someone post a S+ kit for 9K - they won't be getting my cash, but they won't be getting any trash talk either.

I think all anyone is asking for is a little respect and a practice of non-interference.

[Slotmaster]

I am guessing this is from my comment about price on the gameking, however my original intent was to comment in the post that the seller posted a picture of a 15" and called it a 17".    My thinking was to help the seller get the ad correct and comment that pricing was high if they really were selling a 15" gameking.     If I was reading this site as a buyer I would want to know that I am getting a good deal and even more so if I am reading it on a slot machine forum.   Having been on this site from almost the start of it I know that most folks who read it and comment on it know the going prices.  The price he posted was higher than what is on ebay and sold the last 30 days. 

So let's say the seller needs the money bad and quick to pay bills, I would rather know and adjust etc.   This can be looked at in many ways I think.

Again I was not looking to distract the seller from getting 2K on a 15" gameking. 


   

[a69mopar]

This wasn't about any single post. It's good you told them of the screen size difference. I just think we'd see a lot more in the classifieds if the pricing didn't get publicly attacked.  If I had Haywire Deluxe kits for sale, I'd want $150 for them, but may just skip these classifieds since I would just want to post them for sale and not want to hear what people think they're worth. They're worth what they're worth and I'd ask what I'd ask and someone would pay it or offer less or whatever. This is why some people list on eBay first instead of here. 
The Haywire DLX kits were just an example.

Thanks,
Wayne

[Bettor Slots]

My comments also were not about a single post either.  This happens OFTEN...lack of respect.  If I had to dig deep into some of my own WTS posts, I could find some ridiculous comments even from Vendors at the top of the page where they had no business being in the first place.  Although I disagree from time to time what I read in WTS posts, one thing I would never consciously do is step in on another individuals or Vendors post with negative comments....it's none of my business.  I have made posts on other Vendors WTS posts with what I thought was positive or helpful comments or maybe just having "fun along with the guys", but never to comment as the "proper sales price" of an item.

[poppo]

I just think we'd see a lot more in the classifieds if the pricing didn't get publicly attacked.  

As someone else pointed out above, people like the classifieds here because it's not e-bay or craigslist and generally one expects to find things at a fair and going price. I actually list things here first BEFORE e-bay so that I can try and give someone a good deal since I look at this forum more as a 'community' than a just a place to buy and sell things. Despite my relatively low post count, I was here before the forum lost everything a few years back and we had to start all over. And even though I am not nearly as active now as I was back then, I still come here first to look or ask for things before heading to e-bay.

Of course there are some things that are more rare than others, but most of us already know that. I think the only time we really see any comments about prices is when it's obviously out of line for the current market.

[Yoeddy1]

<sarchasm>Ok, now that all is said and done, I have an authentic Las Vegas slot machine called "Million God" that I would like to sell.  SUPER SUPER RARE!!!  It came right out of the casino and has those buttons that stop the reels...JUST LIKE VEGAS!!!  It has a 32" screen and all the bells and music that will make you want to dance while you play!  You play with REAL quarters too!  I wanted $5000.00 for it, but will let it go for $4995.00.  FIRM!!!

I only take cash, and please don't waste my time with lowball offers.  This is the REAL DEAL!  Bring Las Vegas to your very own living room!!!</sarchasm>

 

Thanks,
Jason

[golflover]

The first rule of economics is "Something is worth only what someone else will pay for it".  Simply someone can post a slot for $5000.00 because he feels it is worth it, doesn't mean he can sell it for that, or get anyone to buy it. Seems it is more like buyer beware then anything and they should do their research on prices etc. Everyone is always free to ask questions of the seller thru PM's.  I have done that here and asked the more "experienced" members of the forum if they thought it was a "good" deal when i bought it. I have never been steered wrong.  If it is a classified ad, it is up to the buyer to do his research. I would never personally comment on a classified or contact the seller to tell them that they should change their price. That is their business and their ad. Just my 2 cents and you get what you pay for.  But I am gonna list it in the classifieds for 10 cents. need to make a profit

[slotsteve]

Sorry but if you don,t post a price I won,t waste my time emailing you to get one , I think no price = fishing for a sucker if you got something you really want to sell you,ll post a price , god knows we all have paid to much for something now and then,  so somethings we own for more than they are worth  sometimes we all have to just let something go at a loss , It only hurts for a while, Also this group is not a bad group on bashing others prices go to rgp group there  you see the bigest assholes in the world

[StatFreak]

... Despite my relatively low post count, I was here before the forum lost everything a few years back and we had to start all over. And even though I am not nearly as active now as I was back then...

Actually, you're averaging 6.54 posts a day since you've become active again. If you continue at that rate, you'll settle in as the third highest poster (although it will take a while for you to get there.)

We now return you to the rant in progress...

[StatFreak]

 
NOTE: These opinions are MY OWN, and are NOT made as a moderator.

I see both sides of this argument. Sellers don't like having their ads interfered with, but this community has a long history of protecting its own and exposing any offers that it deems unreasonable. In short, we're a tough market.

For the most part, I tend to agree with Wayne that interference should be kept to a minimum, although I'll stand as one of the few who will admit to having participated, albeit rarely, in posting negative replies in ads that were clearly outrageous.

While I don't think it's fair to jump in on any classified post in which one disagrees with the asking price, I also don't think that it's right for the more informed members here to just sit by and let a newbie respond to a WTS and pay $1800 for a Wild Cherry S+, or $150 for an S+ 10MHz MPU board because no one would speak up.

I've read the comments about giving buyers credit for being savvy enough to surf the net for going rates before buying, but this is a highly specialized and unusual hobby, and regulars here might have forgotten how difficult it can be to learn the ropes, as it were. I overpaid for my first machines before I found this site, and I'll venture to say that many of you did as well. I won't say by how much on the grounds that it might serve to embarrass me.   I recall being ripped off for $50 for an electronic copy of a pdf manual that was so poorly scanned that the pages had overlapped, so that more than half of the information was missing. I paid $250 or $300 for my first S+ kit; a run-of-the-mill Five Times Pay without reel glass. (ouch! I don't recall the exact price.)

There are a lot of fly-by-night sellers out there on eBay, Craigslist, and on retail websites selling overpriced machines and parts that are poorly shopped out, if at all, and offering little or no customer service after the sale. In a way, this site is an oasis. Our regular vendors are some of the most reputable and fair-priced sellers in or out of the country. The overwhelming majority of our non-business members also offer their personal items for sale without incident and in the spirit of community. We have had members who were disgruntled about transactions, but that is inevitable.

Right now, we don't have ads for $1800 S+ Wild Cherry machines or $150 10MHz S+ MPU boards. If we adopt a completely capitalist non-interfering caveat emptor approach to our classified section, we might. If we are scaring off some sellers, perhaps it's for the best.

Okay, since I seem to be in the minority, I'll await the replies to which I've left myself open..  

End of

[golflover]

I agree with you Stat    Anyone posting in the classifieds here has to be a member.  just looking at the number of posts someone has by their name lets you know how long they have been here. If i see someone with 500 posts selling an item, that gets my attention to look at it opposed to someone with 1 post and new to the site just trying to unload soemthing.
 

 I paid $250 or $300 for my first S+ kit; a run-of-the-mill Five Times Pay without reel glass. (ouch! I don't recall the exact price.)



Okay, since I seem to be in the minority, I'll await the replies to which I've left myself open..  

Now about this swamp land I have for sale 

[golflover]

  so somethings we own for more than they are worth 

Think i could say soemthing about the warden here....lol 

[StatFreak]

...

 I paid $250 or $300 for my first S+ kit; a run-of-the-mill Five Times Pay without reel glass. (ouch! I don't recall the exact price.)



Okay, since I seem to be in the minority, I'll await the replies to which I've left myself open..  

Now about this swamp land I have for sale 

How much?!     I've got some desert wasteland I could trade you...        

[golflover]

...

 I paid $250 or $300 for my first S+ kit; a run-of-the-mill Five Times Pay without reel glass. (ouch! I don't recall the exact price.)



Okay, since I seem to be in the minority, I'll await the replies to which I've left myself open..  

Now about this swamp land I have for sale 

How much?!     I've got some desert wasteland I could trade you...        

well with all the snow and rain we've gotten here in the last week, I'll make you a great offer on the desert property as long as you promise it will be dry and warm 

[Yoeddy1]

Honestly, in addition to the above stated, I also take a gander at the "Karma".  Sort of a nice quick "feedback" reference if you will.

So does $4985.00 and a package of button bulbs sound fair for that pachislo?  No warranty on the bulbs though...as is.  Haha!

Jason

[Buzz]

NOTE: These opinions are MY OWN, and are NOT made as a moderator.

I see both sides of this argument. Sellers don't like having their ads interfered with, but this community has a long history of protecting its own and exposing any offers that it deems unreasonable. In short, we're a tough market.

For the most part, I tend to agree with Wayne that interference should be kept to a minimum, although I'll stand as one of the few who will admit to having participated, albeit rarely, in posting negative replies in ads that were clearly outrageous.

While I don't think it's fair to jump in on any classified post in which one disagrees with the asking price, I also don't think that it's right for the more informed members here to just sit by and let a newbie respond to a WTS and pay $1800 for a Wild Cherry S+, or $150 for an S+ 10MHz MPU board because no one would speak up.

I've read the comments about giving buyers credit for being savvy enough to surf the net for going rates before buying, but this is a highly specialized and unusual hobby, and regulars here might have forgotten how difficult it can be to learn the ropes, as it were. I overpaid for my first machines before I found this site, and I'll venture to say that many of you did as well. I won't say by how much on the grounds that it might serve to embarrass me.   I recall being ripped off for $50 for an electronic copy of a pdf manual that was so poorly scanned that the pages had overlapped, so that more than half of the information was missing. I paid $250 or $300 for my first S+ kit; a run-of-the-mill Five Times Pay without reel glass. (ouch! I don't recall the exact price.)

There are a lot of fly-by-night sellers out there on eBay, Craigslist, and on retail websites selling overpriced machines and parts that are poorly shopped out, if at all, and offering little or no customer service after the sale. In a way, this site is an oasis. Our regular vendors are some of the most reputable and fair-priced sellers in or out of the country. The overwhelming majority of our non-business members also offer their personal items for sale without incident and in the spirit of community. We have had members who were disgruntled about transactions, but that is inevitable.

Right now, we don't have ads for $1800 S+ Wild Cherry machines or $150 10MHz S+ MPU boards. If we adopt a completely capitalist non-interfering caveat emptor approach to our classified section, we might. If we are scaring off some sellers, perhaps it's for the best.

Okay, since I seem to be in the minority, I'll await the replies to which I've left myself open..  

End of

David  It's a rare day when you and I agree on anything, today is one of those rare days!! 

[CaptainHappy]

David  It's a rare day when you and I agree on anything, today is one of those rare days!!  

Is it 2012, and the world is ending???? Are all of the planets lined up???   K+ and thanks to both of you for the entertainment that you provide!!!

Sorry, just had to raz you guys a little bit!

 

CH

[reho33]

You have to understand, I started off with pachislos and paid 250.00 for my 1st one (IGT RWB). As time went on I realized that I could have S+'s and S2000's for about what a retail price on a pachislo would be. Then as I educated myself, I found out how the market works for those who make it work for them. Now that I am armed with good knowledge (off this site and by talking to others in the business), I refuse to pay retail for slots because I know now how much they go for in the wholesale market and the different grades of machines. Remember what Sy Syms said "An educated consumer is our best customer". Lets distribute "knowledge", remember, NLG is an "information machine" of sorts. I'm not saying give up your shop secrets or how you buy a lot of machines wholesale. If people really want to get educated and make a hobby out of this, they will never pay "retail" again for any slot. And BTW, this applies to anything you purchase in life (remember Consumer Reports?)

[stayouttadabunker]

I wonder if "Consumer Reports" will ever rate slot machines? 
I used to peek at that magazine on the coffee table from time to time.
My step-dad had a lifetime subscription I think...

I think somethings wrong with Buzz today...
he's actually agreeing with Stat on something! 

Jeesh! Them guys are like Siskel & Ebert...thumbs up/thumbs down

[Buzz]

Mark  I sat here looking at a empty screen  for the better part of 2 hours planing what to say without pissing to many people off. (like that's ever bothered me before)   Stat came along and put it much better than I ever could.   Hell I might even invite him back for our 2nd annual Christmas Dinner together!!   ( he didn't like my menu anyway) 

I might as well keep going
We have a member on this site that sells on Ebay. Right now she/he/they have a S+ clear chip for sale, $36.95 + $2.90 shipping. Now from what I've read today, if she listed it here in the classified, most everyone wouldn't/shouldn't say a word about it.  Wayne, Jim, Jay and others, you can bet your a$$ I will !! Not for the 2 or 3 hundred members that use the site pretty often, it will be for the 3 thousand + members that only come on when their machine is acting up, and don't forget the guy that's about to sign up. He's having trouble with his S+. First thing he will hear is get a clear and set chip. I could go on and on but everyone gets the idea.

This whole thread is based on ones opinion. Is one person opinion right and another person wrong "NO" I don't think so. I could care less if most will not say anything, but please don't try to force your opion onto me. ( I don't need any help, I can think for myself ) !!!!!!!!!!

[poppo]

Well, at least I'm not the only one that voiced that opinon. Although I seem to be the one who got  for saying it.
 

[Buzz]

Just give um sometime !

[a69mopar]

you had better start thinking like I tell you to Buzz!    Seriously though, you think that a clear chip for $36 is something that people need to be warned about?  Hell, I wouldn't sell them for that.  First there's the chip, then the time, not just burning the chip, but listing it, and supporting the sale, not to mention packaging it.  If I did decide to sell chips, which everybody should know I don't, then you can always list yours for cheaper in the next thread, just stay the blank out of mine    .  Knowing you, you'll just give them to whoever needs them.  As you said, opinions vary, and I know nobody will change yours or mine for that matter, well on this subject anyway. 

  This turned out to be a hot topic, I hope you all had fun with this.  I wonder how many more pages it will go..

W

[Bettor Slots]

You sell a clear or a key chip to someone, it's an automatic 30 to 60 minute phone call in many cases explaining the process, step by step, of clearing, keying, and then setting up the parameters of a machine.  Why don't you sell chips again?

[stayouttadabunker]

I agree with Buzz and with others as well...!
Everyone has their good and strong points.
It's basically like pro and anti abortion rights...lol

If I see something outrageously priced...I usually say something.
But usually people post something before I do anyways.
So I just shut up about it...

If they get mad when I'm just joking around - I say "so what" right?
They just don't know me well enough I guess.
I try not to make anyone mad at me but one can not please everybody.
There's always somebody out there that doesn't like what anybody says...that's normal...

By the way, this thread is dead now because I started screwing around with it...lol
I think I'll just side track the heck out of it  and start talking about something else just to throw everybody off.
Let me see...let me pick a subject matter to hijack this thread...how about...uh....boobs and sex? 
I really like TZTech's avatar...how can I get one like that?