Alstate Coin Machine Co.

[Gregad]

  In desperate need of wiring schematics for a "Silver Dollar Saloon" slot machine made by "Alstate Coin Machine Co." I believe it was an late 60s or early 70's 10 cent triple play slot.
PLEASE any help or direction in finding info on this would be wonderful.

  I ahve found out this is actually made for "Space Jet Bell" by Alstate. It is a late 1960s machine. And yes it does use some Bally parts.

[sintaxerror]

I'm sorry to say, but that looks like a Bally E-1000 rip off.If I'm correct, a Bally E-1000 Tech Manual should help. It really doesn't matter, I'm sure someone on here can help you fix it

[BettingWild]

Here's an Alstate's Multiple Bonus, Space Jet Bell, 5 cent progressive slot machine I was asked to see if I could get it working. It supposedly fell over in the earthquake, but it looks like there are some parts missing. I am a beginner in this world, but a fairly good builder of personal computers, so my slot knowledge is limited, but growing. Would appreciate any information. Thank you, David   

[FOXSSLOTS1]

wrong - not a bally.  I am sure it is an ACE - no bally parts in it.   never saw any docs on them.

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Agreed, nothing like a Bally. More like a Mills with electrical payout. In the larger picture you can see it has reels on concentric shafts with small starwheels and three payout disks on the right. The only Bally parts it might contain are step-up units and similar parts. I would speculate that these are actually rebuilt Mills mechanisms, so for mechanical troubles you want the HiTop series manuals and for electrical problems, you're on your own.

[stayouttadabunker]

At least the photographer wasn't laying down as the picture was taken...

[Op-Bell]

There was a late model Mills very similar to this, mechanical reels, hopper payout. It was a single coin machine and it sank like a stone in competition with the Bally EMs. I'm leaning to the opinion that this isn't a conversion of older Mills but that late Mills mech, unmodified, in a cabinet with multiplier electrics. I've seen a slanted coin entry just like that on a Japanese Manix machine imported by Gamex, so I wonder if there isn't a Japanese connection, but I think it more likely that Alstate was an American company that picked up a short run of parts and inventory when TJM went bust, and went out of business when they were used up. Anyone know what city they were from? Any signs or plates on the games?

[uniman]

Found this in a "ask the experts" blog;

"My guess as to what years these machine were made in, from like 1955 to 1964. I can tell you something about them, Pace sold out in December of 1950 when the federal anti-slot machine law was imminent, ("The Johnson act") with Pace (becoming Ace, then Space) with production moving to Franklin Park, an industrialized suburb of Chicago. In 1958 the new Ace "Pace" machine was introduced where they opened the front of the machine, we call that an "open front machine when describing the type of slot machine", and it was Pace/Ace/space that developed this design and the world followed with there new machines. Information starts to get fuzzy around here as to Alstate. Space owner owner Earl Missler became the the principal stockholder in the newly established Alstate Coin Machine Company located in Henderson Nevada. Primarily an operator of Space machines, Alstate also acted as a distributor, exporter, maintenance center and ultimately a manufacturer of Space products for its Nevada operation's. I think a ton of these ended up going to the U.S. Military Forces overseas. Well, that is what is in my nut shell about the whole thing. Oh, I think the whole thing ended with the company now called Coin Devices Inc., operating from 1964 to 1968 back in Illinois once again"

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Collectibles-General-Antiques-682/2009/1/slot-machine-12.htm

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Ah, a Pace mechanism would have been my second guess. And sure enough, here it is in Marshall Fey's book. According to Fey,

... Ed Pace retired in 1951 at age 74. Veteran slot manufacturer Harold Baker produced the Pace machine for the following two years until he died. The manufacturing of Pace slots was then continued by the Ace Manufacturing Co of Franklin Park, Illinois, by the father and son team of Casey and Norbe Michaels. In 1958 they opened facilities in Reno and Glen Burnie, MD... In 1961 the company folded, closing both branches... The Michaels' greatest contribution came in 1956 when they developed the front opening case... Shortly after [the introduction of the Bally slot] the Space Company was reincarnated from the old Ace firm by Earl Missler in Glen Burnie, MD. They introduced an unsuccessful front-opening hopper-payout machine using the basic Pace mechanism. At Reno's Palace Club the short-lived machine had a tragic debut because the hoppers would involuntarily empty their load of coins... The undependable machine sold only limited quantities in Maryland and the overseas market.

[BettingWild]

Here's a photo of the reels from the 5 cent Alstate machine I posted. Also, If you look at the board on the right side of the second photo, you'll see the name Bally.

Thanks for the information everyone     David

[FOXSSLOTS1]

the BALLY you see is the COIL - possibly the wiper board as well but it is not a BALLY assembly - only items readily available for the manufacturer.  You will be hard pressed to find a wire diagram for this guy - sorry.

[BettingWild]

Thanks Foxsslots1, Well, this is the only way I'm going to learn, lol. At least it's not mine. Just checking it out for a very nice family. I appreciate the info. Thanks, David