Bally 5000 Plus - fire and ice - problems

[jwpowell19]

hi everyone this is my first slot so I am still not even sure if I am starting it up right. This is what i have been doing

plug in

open door

flip power switch

close door

turn key

I then get two errors that according to the sticker on the inside say "reel # illegal movement"..What would cause this ? dirty opto's ? Should i just clean them with some q-tips? I replaced battery, and checked all connections, and pressed all the IC's in tight. Thanks for your help everyone !

Also, I do not have a key for the right side of the cab, I have routed the switch onto the outside of the cab for now. to get out of game over mode do I turn the key so the switch is closed and stays closed ? or  is it meant to close, then open and stay open ?

[jwpowell19]

I keep getting error 47 and 51. I have removed all the reels and cleaned all the optos. I have got it to work twice where the reels spin and stop and it plays a full game. I am running test # "5" right now where it spins the reels and stops them as it would in a game and it seems to work fine. Any ideas ?

[junkman]

The 47 means the third reel got moved some how. To fix that just hit the reset button on the cpu board the bottom board in the rack.its the left button . Above the on and off switch in the machine once you do that the only error you should have is 51 which is the door is unlocked if you shut the door and lock it that should take care of that and it should take coins and play after that. Try that and let me know. If it don't clear you might have to do a ram clear. But if you do a clear you will have to put the game options back in.

[junkman]

And make sure you have a good battery. It will make it do crazy things if its dead

[jwpowell19]

Hi Junkman thanks for the reply. I had to drill out the lock, but if i shut it and it latches that covers the opto so its the same to the machine as being locked ? have tried the reset button multiple times and still come back with the same errors. Also I have removed the mpu board and replaced it, does this cause the RAM to clear ?

[junkman]

What we have to do is get rid of the 47 first. Try this put the bottom board back in and leave it in. The I/O board at the top of the rack with the two cables hooked to them. With the power off pull the board out enough to break connection with the mother board leave ribbon cables hooked to board. Look on the inside of the door there is a red button in the middle of the door locate it about size of a dime. Once you find that. Were ready to go. Hold the red button in and turn the power switch on keep the red button pushed in while looking at the paid window on the front of the machine it should say. CH. And keep holding until it goes to CL. Once it does that its clear cut the machine off and push the I/O board back in and turn power back on and see if that cleared it. Let me know. 

[jwpowell19]

Did everything as you described. got the CH, then CL. Still have error 45 and 51...Can reel 1 be swapped with reel 3 to see if the problem follows it ? Thanks for your help! I have 11 Bally s5000's and really need to learn the ins and outs of this system.

[junkman]

Have u replaced the battery everyone I have worked on I have had to replace it. Try this with machine on.the door open and make sure the slide lock bar is all the way down so it clears the lock switch.  Hold the white door switch in at the bottom of the machine and turn the reset switch on the side of the machine make sur u hold the white door button In these are very funny machines to work on I guess that's why I love them the challenge. Let me know what you find out. These machines eat battery s

[jwpowell19]

Yes I replaced the battery with 3.6v lithium, was not soldered the best because the lead broke off so I will be trying a diff battery tomorrow. also the MPU board had some corosion from the prior battery. Cleaned the MPU with baking soda paste, windex, and vinegar, overkill im sure but looks much better. I am waiting on the MPU to dry overnight.

Also, when the front bottom door is open all the way the flourescent light behind the lower glass is out, when it gets about half shut it blinks on. I cant see any switch for the light on the hinge or anything. Loose wires to light ? perhaps to other components ? that was my guess but wiggling the door wires I could not get the light to go off or on.

Hopefully some progress tomorrow. for now would like to know how the lower door light turns on and off ? Attached is picture of MPU corosion, are all my jumpers in the right place ?



note, tape on battery is because lead broke off, so tried soldering to the metal top of battery, did not want to hold so had tape holding it on there.

[jwpowell19]

GREAT NEWS, cleaned up corosion with baking soda paste. put mpu back in and now the reel errors are gone. I can add credits with the pseudo button but when I run a token through the slot I get error 21 I think that basically is inappropriate coin. I also am still getting the door unlocked message so traced back the opto wires from the door latch. They were disconnected. If I plug them into J7 on the comparitor board the mpu goes crazy and basically resets itself over and over and over and over. If the game can still be played without hooking this up I am OK with that. However any ideas on why my comparitor is not working ? I have attached a pic incase i am overlooking something easy. Thanks ! John


note,,, been playing with it last twenty minutes and everything seems to be working great, except I have no lights on the push buttons on front panel and still get the random door open or door hinge error.

Thanks for everyones help, ive got 11 more so this wont be the last time you hear from me (looks at junkman)

[AnotherTech]

The comparator will only work with the door shut.  You have to get the door optics fixed first.

I haven't worked on these in years, so I don't remember where the door optics plug in, but if you have 11 other machines, look at where they are plugged in on those. 

If the MPU still goes wild with them plugged into the right place, I would try one of the other MPUs, to see if that's the problem.

You have the best things you could have to troubleshoot the machine... more machines!   

[jwpowell19]

Thanks, I am finially starting to figure out all these little idiosyncrasies about these machines. Everything is working now including the coin mech. Thanks !